Is It Bad Qb Play Or Was Duron Carter Just Massively Overhyped?

[IndyD4U]

I think you're seeing first hand the huge contrast in talent between the CFL and NFL.

[NewColtsFan]

For a guy like him it's a determination as to if you make this team or not. 

 

Odds are very, very strong that Carter is making the team.

 

But at the end of this year,  unless WR's get hurt,  Carter is likely going to catch somewhere around 15-25 passes.    That's it.

 

So all this fuss and grinding of teeth and hand wringing is nonsense.

 

It's pre-season.     The same pre-season last year saw the Colts go 0-4.     That's winless.

 

How did last year turn out for the Colts?!?

 

It's pre-season!

[OhioColtsGirl]

He might have been slightly (just a little) overhyped. 

 

However, I don't think the QB play helps at all. 

 

I would like to see him on the field with Luck throwing to him.... before forming a solid opinion.

[Bubbz]

After being targeted 4 times in week one....   Duron Carter was targeted all of once last night.    

 

That's once.     Officially one more than zero.

 

Come on now.....    it's PRE-SEASON!

That could also mean that he's not getting open and separating from his defender though

[aaron11]

I've seen that depth chart so I know what you are talking about. It's just that why would they give him less of a chance that Whalen or Brown unless 1: he is guarunteed a roster slot or 2: he is unguardable and we want to suprise teams in real games. Both seem unlikely.

heres my take-  if none of these guys up for the 5th spot stand out, then carter will get it.

 

i think it would take very strong pre seasons from brown, AND griff, AND a bad one from carter for him to not make it. 

 

its going to be hard for any of these guys to stand out with the back up QBs playing so poorly

[aaron11]

I think you're seeing first hand the huge contrast in talent between the CFL and NFL.

you could say the same about coming from college to the pros.  the only rookies that are doing any better were high draft picks.

[hawkeyes]

In the two games he hasn't done enough to make an NFL team - he must have gotten where he is based on his fathers name!

[GoColts8818]

I think he's been disappointing. I know you can say he doesn't get the best chances but he hasn't taken advantage of the ones he's had.

[Colts_Fan12]

I think he's been disappointing. I know you can say he doesn't get the best chances but he hasn't taken advantage of the ones he's had.

what by not catching the horrible off target throws or the ones 3 yards behind him?

[GoColts8818]

what by not catching the horrible off target throws or the ones 3 yards behind him?

he had one last night that hit his hands he dropped. It would have been a hard catch to make but if you are trying to make a NFL roster those are the plays you need to make.

[NewColtsFan]

That could also mean that he's not getting open and separating from his defender though

 

It could mean that.    But no one knows that here.    Not yet at least.

 

And the same usual suspects that jump to conclusions and call for coaches and GM's to be fired and trades to be made based on almost nothing start making claims as if everything they think is fact.    When it's not.

 

It's over-reaction Monday,  but this week,  it's on a Sunday. 

 

The longer you're here,  you'll see the same posters writing the same types of things.   When they're proven wrong,  they never acknowledge it.    They panic.    They over-react.   They lose patience.    They have zero historical perspective.    And it happens year after year after year.    They're completely predictable.

 

That's why they're the usual suspects.

[Colts_Fan12]

he had one last night that hit his hands he dropped. It would have been a hard catch to make but if you are trying to make a NFL roster those are the plays you need to make.

you mean the only time he was targeted and it was like I said 3 yards behind him Calvin Johnson isn't even making that catch

[1959Colts]

I don't think they should be using Carter as the return man either.

[GoColts8818]

you mean the only time he was targeted and it was like I said 3 yards behind him Calvin Johnson isn't even making that catch

it was behind him but not by three yards. If it had been he wouldn't have gotten his hands on it to knock it up in the air. Also, part of the reason he's not getting targeted it more is that he's not getting open. He can't get separation. He's also clearly being given a chance to win the return job and he hasn't taken advantage of that either.

[Colts_Fan12]

it was behind him but not by three yards. If it had been he wouldn't have gotten his hands on it to knock it up in the air. Also, part of the reason he's not getting targeted it more is that he's not getting open. He can't get separation. He's also clearly being given a chance to win the return job and he hasn't taken advantage of that either.

seems he can get open fine with the 1s in practice but he has no time to run routes with the crapy O line and poor throws the announce team last night even said Bennett and MH couldn't hit anything

[GoColts8818]

seems he can get open fine with the 1s in practice but he has no time to run routes with the crapy O line and poor throws the announce team last night even said Bennett and MH couldn't hit anything

i am not saying the QB play has been good beyond Luck, it hasn't. It doesn't change the fact that Carter hasn't taken advantage of the few chances he's had in game action. It's one thing to take advantage of chances and just not get many of them it's another to not take advantage of them even when you haven't got many of them.

[Colts_Fan12]

i am not saying the QB play has been good beyond Luck, it hasn't. It doesn't change the fact that Carter hasn't taken advantage of the few chances he's had in game action. It's one thing to take advantage of chances and just not get many of them it's another to not take advantage of them even when you haven't got many of them.

your missing my point so just because Carter didn't make a catch that megaton would likely miss he's not taking advantage?

[GoColts8818]

your missing my point so just because Carter didn't make a catch that megaton would likely miss he's not taking advantage?

id say his play over all in games shows me he's not taking advantage of his few chances. Again he's not getting separation against other teams third string corners and he's not doing well on returns. Tell me something good he's done in a game to this point. If you want to blame other parties for that then fine you are clearly entitled to your opinion, maybe your right and is just QB play. However, based on what I have seen in games he's been a disappointment.

[Colts_Fan12]

id say his play over all in games shows me he's not taking advantage of his few chances. Again he's not getting separation against other teams third string corners and he's not doing well on returns. Tell me something good he's done in a game to this point. If you want to blame other parties for that then fine you are clearly entitled to your opinion, maybe your right and is just QB play. However, based on what I have seen in games he's been a disappointment.

but none of the WRs can get separation when the o line is allowing the QB to be rushed instantly so they have no time to create separation

[chrisfarley]

when you have hasslebeck throwing ducks and a camp arm, not even jerry rice can make plays

Going from Andrew Luck to our backup qb's is like comparing Nashville TN to Nashville IN and the Grand Ole Opry to the Lil' Opry.  Players like Carter need lots of time with our #1 unit and he's just not getting the PT.

[GoColts8818]

but none of the WRs can get separation when the o line is allowing the QB to be rushed instantly so they have no time to create separation

whalen and Brown did last night. as good as carter has been in practice he's still further down the deapth chart than them too which tells me the coaches are wanting to see more from Carter too. Still time to go but based on what I have seen in games Carter has been a disappointment but there is still two games to change that and I'll agree while Whalen and Brown have done something in the pre-season it hasn't been to the level that Carter can't surpass it with a good outing.

[Deano1818]

I think that he will be on the active roster in the 5th WR spot

 

The odds are high that one of the top 4 will be nicked at some point

 

I also think there may be some packages near the end of games where the top 4 need a breather and you will see him

 

Overhyped?....... a little

 

Has he had a chance in games?..... not really the passes that he has recieved in game time stunk

[RockThatBlue]

Going from Andrew Luck to our backup qb's is like comparing Nashville TN to Nashville IN and the Grand Ole Opry to the Lil' Opry. Players like Carter need lots of time with our #1 unit and he's just not getting the PT.

Has he shown he should get playing time with the 1s so far?

[dgambill]

The day I went to camp he was coming up with some pretty incredible catches.  But watching him in pre-season his hands have looked more like DHB then his dads.

Yep...there is a place for guys that look good Mon-Sat but don't show up on Sunday...I think its the CFL.

 

In all honesty we have two games to go but from what I've seen he is PS player. Needs a lot of work to be dependable in a game situation for us.

[will426]

Lol I mean carter wasn't known for getting much separation..cuz I mean look how we used nicks he was a jump ball Specialist and we threw him little slants isn't Duran like 6'5 can someone just give him a 50/50 chance to come down with it..game 1 he had one chance for one but perfect coverage by the db so can't complain much since then it's been dink and dunk with him

[RealityIsLuck]

Unfortunately, it's a mix of both. 

 

If it weren't for his hype, and being a practice hero it would all be on him in the eyes of the fans. But really, who can catch a pass when it's coming from Matt Hasselbeck or Bryan Bennett? Give him some time with Andrew then you can fairly judge him.

[krunk]

I think a lot of it is bad QB play, although he's dropped a catchable ball or two.  We already knew he wasn't that fast, but he does look kind of slow out there.  I think if we make more attempt to get him the football we'll see what we need to see.  It was very obvious to me in the second half of that game we were doing quite a bit to increase Josh Robinsons workload.  We weren't very focused on throwing anybody the football.  I need to see more, but I'm not sure if he's a #1 or #2 receiver in the NFL.  More like a #3 slot style possession receiver who you can also go deep with.  All in all I need to see more if and when we decide to focus on getting him the football.

[Dark Superman]

Neither.

 

No WR other then Dorsett really got the ball so far.

 

 

[ruksak]

I think some just need to open a thread called "let's whine about the Colts".

Can't we discuss the good and the bad? I don't get comments like this, as it's nothing but an attempt to shut down honest in depth conversation about our team.

 

I questioned Carter after last week, and I will still hold him as a possible PS player if he doesn't emerge. If he can outperform Whalen on ST, he may get in. If not, he better do something soon. 

[Robin]

how many games have we seen reggie or T.Y playing terrible not making plays ? thats more than 2.... Give the man a chance, let him play with a real quarterback in a real game.... 

[Malakai432]

It's only the preseason but that being said I personally don't think he will be out Dorsett or Moncrief, he will most likely be the 5th, if even that. Maybe a year or two down the road things will be different.

[ColtsLegacy]

you mean the only time he was targeted and it was like I said 3 yards behind him Calvin Johnson isn't even making that catch

 

your missing my point so just because Carter didn't make a catch that megaton would likely miss he's not taking advantage?

 

, Calvin Johnson catches that pass 10/10 times. It was a poor throw, no doubt, but any WR worth his salt needs to catch that ball 9/10 times and a guy trying to make an NFL team really needs to make that catch.

 

I won't mention the ball that hit Carter between the numbers (well number) vs the Eagles . . . uhh . . . oops.

[crazycolt1]

Can't we discuss the good and the bad? I don't get comments like this, as it's nothing but an attempt to shut down honest in depth conversation about our team.

 

I questioned Carter after last week, and I will still hold him as a possible PS player if he doesn't emerge. If he can outperform Whalen on ST, he may get in. If not, he better do something soon. 

It was not an attempt to shut down anything. It also has nothing really to do with Carter. The comment was made in jest to invite those who choose to be negative with everything the Colts do. We do have a few that no matter what Grigson, Pagano or any coach does it brings a negative comment. From the way some comments are worded they seem like they cant be happy with any move made. You don't fall into that category so don't put to much thought into it.

[ruksak]

It was not an attempt to shut down anything. It also has nothing really to do with Carter. The comment was made in jest to invite those who choose to be negative with everything the Colts do. We do have a few that no matter what Grigson, Pagano or any coach does it brings a negative comment. From the way some comments are worded they seem like they cant be happy with any move made. You don't fall into that category so don't put to much thought into it.

Ignore them, would be my advice. It's a free and open forum, where anyone from children to the elderly, high intellect to legitimately mentally disabled people post. I know you realize this, but try to keep it in mind. 

 

I'm fine with discussing negative aspects of the team, we all should be. But there's a difference between recognizing the obvious issues and just plain being a Debbie Downer. 

 

We're in for a good season either way, and I damn sure guarantee everyone that there will be fans of a few dozen NFL teams wishing, praying they had our brand of football. 

[ponyboy]

Was it bad QB play or massive overhype?   I'll say both -- but mostly bad QB play.

 

The 2nd and 3rd string QB play in pre-season games has been terrible.. I'd hope the coaches are giving more weight to what he's shown in camp over 4 bad targets in two pre-season games.  In fact I don't really agree that there's been *massive* hype.

[Bubbz]

It could mean that.    But no one knows that here.    Not yet at least.

 

And the same usual suspects that jump to conclusions and call for coaches and GM's to be fired and trades to be made based on almost nothing start making claims as if everything they think is fact.    When it's not.

 

It's over-reaction Monday,  but this week,  it's on a Sunday. 

 

The longer you're here,  you'll see the same posters writing the same types of things.   When they're proven wrong,  they never acknowledge it.    They panic.    They over-react.   They lose patience.    They have zero historical perspective.    And it happens year after year after year.    They're completely predictable.

 

That's why they're the usual suspects.

I get that, but I think it's hard to argue against the fact that Carter has not lived up to the hype he received on the forum thus far

[Gavin]

Long story short....Both. None of our wr's would look good in there with Bennett trying to be a quality QB

[NewColtsFan]

I get that, but I think it's hard to argue against the fact that Carter has not lived up to the hype he received on the forum thus far

 

It's not hard at all.

 

It's pre-season.     I can't say that often enough.    And, in the grand scheme of things,  the fact that Carter hasn't lived up to the pre-season hype on an internet fan message board isn't Carter's problem.     It's the fan's problem and we all need to deal with it.

 

Most rookies are just that -- rookies.   And they don't contribute all that much.   They really start contributing in year 2 and 3.

 

Carter hasn't even played in a regular season game yet.    And people here are over-reacting.

 

By the way,  as I noted to someone else in another thread,  this happens every year and every week.   And it's almost always by the same posters.     It's what they do.

[GoColts8818]

Here's a question if Duron Carter's name was John Smith would you feel like you had seen enough from him that you would be arguing that he deserves a roster spot? If the answer is no then he probably hasn't done enough to earn one.

[Gavin]

Here's a question if Duron Carter's name was John Smith would you feel like you had seen enough from him that you would be arguing that he deserves a roster spot? If the answer is no then he probably hasn't done enough to earn one.

Ok I got to ask...Whos john smith....Unless you mean D'Joun Smith...But he was a 3rd round pick....Guaranteed a roster spot unless he goes out and does something EXTREMELY stupid while not with the organization...Carter on the other hand has 1 catch on 5 targets on 61 snaps for 16 yards in 2 games and I hate to say it but until proven different living off his dads last name and some plays(A lot actually) in the CFL

 

With that said I think as he learns to high point the ball and gets more savvy at the position I think he has a chance to be good. But its going to be a process