Lets talk about our WR core

[Nesjan3]

Alright so i want to know what people think is going to happen to our WR core.

Which goes as follow, Reggie, TY, Nicks, Rogers, Whalen , Brazill, Moncrief, plus the other 3 or 4 UDA that are trying out.

BEST case scenario:

Reggie returns to Super Reggie for another 2 or 3 years injury free, TY keeps being TY burning defences, Nicks returns to the form he was in a couple years ago, Rogers and Moncrief develop into outstanding starters (i think). Unfortunately Whalen and Brazill would be cut if this happened unless we keep 6 or 7 receivers.... but i think this would be the best scenario.

 

but i dont want to be a downer but lets play "What IF".

 

What if Reggie doesnt return to form after his injury and retires after this year after his contract is up.

What if Nicks doesnt return to the guy he used to be (which alot of Giant fans say he will never be)

In all reality Rogers has potential but is a (Hopefully becomes great kind of guy)

Moncrief has all the potential as well and i believe he will beat out Whalen and Brazill but is still a rookie.

Brazill at the end of last season showed a lot of promise but he has previous suspension issues.

Whalen has been solid for us despite injury.

 

Now i think we will carry 6 recievers just because of these "What If" scenarios, and i think it will be Brazill beating out Whalen.

 

What do guys think, do we take the chance on our top 5 or do we keep these depth guys around just in case

 

 

[Bluefire4]

I'd keep six WRs and lean towards Whalen because of his punt return ability. Brazil is replaceable even if Wayne and Nicks don't return to form.

[HtownColt]

Keep 6 WRs

[PrincetonTiger]

I'd keep six WRs and lean towards Whalen because of his punt return ability. Brazil is replaceable even if Wayne and Nicks don't return to form.

agreed

[CR91]

I'd keep six WRs and lean towards Whalen because of his punt return ability. Brazil is replaceable even if Wayne and Nicks don't return to form.

 

i dont know brazil has big play ability. 

[ztboiler]

I believe we'll keep 6 as well.  It is not that easy to find what Brazill is becoming, so he is not dispensable until our situation settles next off-season.  Mathis frees up a roster spot for the 1st 4 games anyway.

[NewColtsFan]

i dont know brazil has big play ability. 

 

I'm not sure why you don't know this....   big play ability is the one ability Brazil has clearly demonstrated.

 

Here's his profile from the website:

 

http://www.colts.com/team/roster/LaVon-Brazill/9bfb7dfd-23ab-46da-a423-ca0226e53cac

 

 

To summarize....  nearly 17.0 yards a catch his rookie year....    13.5 yards a catch this past year.

 

And in the playoffs this January,  6 catches for more than 21 yards a catch and two TD's....

 

The kid has talent.     I don't think we'll have to cut him.    If we decide to, I think we'll be able to trade him.

[CR91]

I'm not sure why you don't know this....   big play ability is the one ability Brazil has clearly demonstrated.

 

Here's his profile from the website:

 

http://www.colts.com/team/roster/LaVon-Brazill/9bfb7dfd-23ab-46da-a423-ca0226e53cac

 

 

To summarize....  nearly 17.0 yards a catch his rookie year....    13.5 yards a catch this past year.

 

And in the playoffs this January,  6 catches for more than 21 yards a catch and two TD's....

 

The kid has talent.     I don't think we'll have to cut him.    If we decide to, I think we'll be able to trade him.

 

no Im saying brazil has big play ability disagreeing about keeping whalen over him. I should have put a period after I dont know

[Smonroe]

Corps.

[HtownColt]

i dont know brazil has big play ability.

Its amazing what a comma can do. Lol

[NewColtsFan]

no Im saying brazil has big play ability disagreeing about keeping whalen over him. I should have put a period after I dont know

 

Got it!   

 

Thanks, I appreciate you clearing that up.....    makes much more sense now!     

 

Makes for a good off-season laugh!         

[beavis]

Just wandering, are any of them PS eligible and which ones wouldn't be claimed by another team.

[Warhorse]

Corps.

Get it right or this thread could become a corpse. Just trying to get to the core of the problem. 

[bestQBever]

I say keep 6 and cut/trade brazill.

[Bluefire4]

i dont know brazil has big play ability.

We have plenty of big play guys. We need a chain mover especially with Wayne coming off the injury.

[schwamm]

Get it right or this thread could become a corpse. Just trying to get to the core of the problem.

Of course we can probably be coerced into thoroughly discussing the core aspects of the receiving corps... but would doing so be deemed too coarse? Curses.

[HtownColt]

I say keep 6 and cut/trade brazill.

I say keep 6 cut Whalen

[CR91]

I rather have the big play guy instead of the chain mover

[B~Town]

It's going to be a tuff choice for the front office when the time comes . Brazil has been coming along and showing big play ability . Whalen is a chain mover has a knack for finding holes in D and moving the chains . If Reggie is back one has to go just the way it is . I think it will be Brazil just because I believe we will get a conditional pick, safety, or a position of need for him in return where I don't see any team giving anything for Whalen . We have a lot of big play guys and I believe Brazil has a higher ceiling but he's one failed test from a long suspension and we have a lot of big play guys where Reggie is the only other possession type receiver we have that's why I believe it's a tuff choice .

[21isSuperman]

The problem is each guy has given us plenty of reasons to keep him:

Wayne - don't even need to list why he deserves to stay, after all these years

Hilton - speed like mad, a reliable #2 who was able to take over #1 when Reggie went out, though I don't think he can ever be a true #1

Nicks - if healthy, tons of potential, could be a #1, and still young

Moncrief - has the physical tools to be a #1

Rogers - same as Moncrief

Brazill - I see him as a really underrated player.  To me, his ceiling is as a #2 receiver, but he would need to work really hard to get there

Whalen - all he did when he played was convert 3rd downs and make tacklers miss

 

I wouldn't want to get rid of any of these guys, but it's unrealistic to keep 7 WRs.  It's a hard choice.  Not only that, but trading any of the bottom guys would get us a minimal return, and putting any on the practice squad could result in us losing them for nothing.  I think it's more worth it to just find a way to keep 7 WRs.  If I had to pick one to put to the practice squad or get rid of, I guess it would have to be Whalen.

[Boiler_Colt]

If all that comes to fruition it is a nice problem to have. I think we also keep 6 as some of the guys can play special teams. Brazil has been an effective gunner and Griff has shown he can return punts effectively. It'll be interesting to see if TY will be returning punts again this year. Brazil has more upside than Griff, but Griff has way better hands and I just flat out like the kid's grit. Best case scenario would be to get something in return for Griff or Brazil in a trade.

 

As an aside, does Moncrief have any punt/kick return abilities?

[trisca01]

We have plenty of big play guys. We need a chain mover especially with Wayne coming off the injury.

Bingo... Whalen did plenty for this team last year. There was at least one game where he was one of the few receivers moving the chains.

He doesn't seem that fast. He's not big. He doesn't seem that strong. He is shifty though and has a knack for making critical plays at critical times.

[beavis]

Whalen reminds me a lot of Welker.  If that's not enough to him around then he'll be gone.

[Chucklez]

Whalen could be what Austin Collie couldve been if he didnt have the concussions... If it came down to it, id cut brazill and keep Whalen.

Moncrief, Rogers and Nicks all possess the ability of Brazill, therefore he is more expendable.

[Flash7]

I think we keep 6 because there's a possibility that Wayne doesn't come back after this year, and Nicks may not be re-signed.

 

In that case, in 2015 we would have:

1. T.Y. Hilton

2. Rogers

3. Moncrief

4. Whalen or Brazill.

 

With the group of receivers mentioned above, Whalen offers much more value as a 'possession' receiver than Brazill as a 'big play' receiver. The other guys have plenty of 'big play' ability.

[Hoosiernsavga]

I like both Whalen and Brazill but Brazill has the physical attributes in a WR that is really hard to part ways with.

That's why receivers like Brazill are getting drafted and receivers like Whalen are UDFA's.

Thats no disrespect at all toward Whalen it's just the diference in upside or potential.

[BigQandTheManiac]

i say keep both..with reggie and nicks probably gone next season...we're gonna need them both...just send one to the PS for this season

[Bluefire4]

I rather have the big play guy instead of the chain mover

We already have Nicks, Moncrief, and Rogers for that. Plus Whalen was more productive.

[Bluefire4]

i say keep both..with reggie and nicks probably gone next season...we're gonna need them both...just send one to the PS for this season

I thought this as well but was informed that neither were eligible.

[Nesjan3]

I thought this as well but was informed that neither were eligible.

exactly one of them will be gone more than likely

[a06cc]

I hope we keep as much talent at WR as we can. I was going to go on a rant about keep Brazill over Whalen but it's not nessacary. I can see use keeping 6 guys because having depth in a passing league is a great thing to have.

[IrishColt22]

we will have that chain mover in Allen tho 

[OLD FAN MAN]

Alright so i want to know what people think is going to happen to our WR core.

Which goes as follow, Reggie, TY, Nicks, Rogers, Whalen , Brazill, Moncrief, plus the other 3 or 4 UDA that are trying out.

BEST case scenario:

Reggie returns to Super Reggie for another 2 or 3 years injury free, TY keeps being TY burning defences, Nicks returns to the form he was in a couple years ago, Rogers and Moncrief develop into outstanding starters (i think). Unfortunately Whalen and Brazill would be cut if this happened unless we keep 6 or 7 receivers.... but i think this would be the best scenario.

 

but i dont want to be a downer but lets play "What IF".

 

What if Reggie doesnt return to form after his injury and retires after this year after his contract is up.

What if Nicks doesnt return to the guy he used to be (which alot of Giant fans say he will never be)

In all reality Rogers has potential but is a (Hopefully becomes great kind of guy)

Moncrief has all the potential as well and i believe he will beat out Whalen and Brazill but is still a rookie.

Brazill at the end of last season showed a lot of promise but he has previous suspension issues.

Whalen has been solid for us despite injury.

 

Now i think we will carry 6 recievers just because of these "What If" scenarios, and i think it will be Brazill beating out Whalen.

 

What do guys think, do we take the chance on our top 5 or do we keep these depth guys around just in case

keep 7, cut full backs, go pass happy

[schwamm]

OMG, I've just had the most amazing epiphany!  Many of you armchair GMs out there are going to see the brilliance instantly!

 

Cut everyone except Luck and the WRs, and pick up every other WR that gets dropped, is available for trade, or is tired of working at KMart.  The lineup will then be Luck and 52 WRs.  It won't matter that we are fielding WRs at every position, because the guys we have are all terrible (I know this for fact, because I've read it on this board!). 

 

There may be some issue in declaring everyone eligible on every play, but who could possibly defend the confounding 10 WR sets... and with all the WRs playing D, too, imagine all the interceptions we'll get to watch.

 

I think I'll start crafting my letters to Grigs and Irsay right now!  Who's with me?  (Somehow I picture Will Ferrell streaking in Old School as I type this...)
 

[BlueShoe]

Unfortunately, unless we have an injury then I don't see Whalen making the team. I also believe we will shop Brazil for another position before the final 53 cut down. I expect to see Brazil get a lot of playing time in preseason to entice other teams.

It makes more sense to keep 5 receivers on the 53 and sign one of the new young receivers to the PS.

[HtownColt]

OMG, I've just had the most amazing epiphany! Many of you armchair GMs out there are going to see the brilliance instantly!

Cut everyone except Luck and the WRs, and pick up every other WR that gets dropped, is available for trade, or is tired of working at KMart. The lineup will then be Luck and 52 WRs. It won't matter that we are fielding WRs at every position, because the guys we have are all terrible (I know this for fact, because I've read it on this board!).

There may be some issue in declaring everyone eligible on every play, but who could possibly defend the confounding 10 WR sets... and with all the WRs playing D, too, imagine all the interceptions we'll get to watch.

I think I'll start crafting my letters to Grigs and Irsay right now! Who's with me? (Somehow I picture Will Ferrell streaking in Old School as I type this...)

I don't get it

[BlueCollarColts]

Hilton, Wayne, Nicks, Moncrief, and Rogers are who make the active roster if I had to guess. 

[Warhorse]

OMG, I've just had the most amazing epiphany!  Many of you armchair GMs out there are going to see the brilliance instantly!

 

Cut everyone except Luck and the WRs, and pick up every other WR that gets dropped, is available for trade, or is tired of working at KMart.  The lineup will then be Luck and 52 WRs.  It won't matter that we are fielding WRs at every position, because the guys we have are all terrible (I know this for fact, because I've read it on this board!). 

 

There may be some issue in declaring everyone eligible on every play, but who could possibly defend the confounding 10 WR sets... and with all the WRs playing D, too, imagine all the interceptions we'll get to watch.

 

I think I'll start crafting my letters to Grigs and Irsay right now!  Who's with me?  (Somehow I picture Will Ferrell streaking in Old School as I type this...)

 

I............smell..................................................championship!

[BleedBlu8792]

I'm going to play devils advocate here and just throw out some scenario's that I believe will happen.

 

- Reggie retires next year (this is his final season under contract I believe)

     Reggie has nothing left to prove in my opinion and I think he hangs them up after next season

 

- Nicks is paid by the Colts next year to take over for Reggie, after a good season this year

     I look for Nicks to put up a solid season next year. I wouldn't be suprised if he gets close to 1000 yards, which I believe will be enough for the Colts to give him the nod for a couple more years after that.

 

- TY and Fleener are both traded next year for extra draft picks

    I know I will get heat for this but everyone keeps talking about trading Brazill, why? He's not going to net the Colts anything, and as others have said, when given the opportunity he has played well. I think the Colts need to get quality in return if they are looking to trade a WR and that's TY. TY could easily land us a 2nd round pick, if not a 1st if he has another good year this year. That draft class alone could kill the Colts cap, and I believe Luck and Allen are worth the money, however I think TY could be replaced and I would sell now - 2015 - with his stock being so high. Fleener, with another decent year, could probably net us a 4th, maybe a 3rd depending on how much he improves on last year. I know it's a loss from where we initially got him but if we get a high pick out of TY, it's a wash.

 

- Moncrief and Rogers, along with Nicks, become the starting WR's with Brazill backing them up (2015)

   I believe these 4 guys are the future for the Colts in the coming years. A great mix of size and speed, which could help tremendously in the run game. These guys along with Allen will give Luck some huge targets for a good portion of his career.

 

Again, these are just some scenario's that I believe will happen.

[jvan1973]

I rather have the big play guy instead of the chain mover

Like mike Wallace in Miami? You have to have guys to get first downs. TY can take the deep plays