Report: Colts have made contact with Cliff Avril

[Dustin]

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2013/3/10/4088204/report-colts-have-made-contact-with-free-agent-de-cliff-avril

[Dustin]

To be clear, this is just a rumor. I'm not familiar with the source.

[TKnight24]

Possibly our new OLB?

[ColtsLegacy]

Possibly our new OLB?

 

Nah, I think we're looking at him as a Wild Cat QB option.

[Colts20593]

Nah, I think we're looking at him as a Wild Cat QB option.

Nah, I think we're looking at him as a Wild Cat QB option.

I was thinking more along the lines of emergency kickoff specialist

[Captain Americolt]

To be clear, this is just a rumor. I'm not familiar with the source.

If it's just a "rumor" why did you write "Report" in the title?

[Dustin]

If it's just a "rumor" why did you write "Report" in the title?

 

It was the name of the article.

[Nobody]

I hope we get him instead of Kruger.

[GOCOLTS_ROLLTIDE]

Isn't a 4-3 DE if so why would we do this

[Nobody]

Isn't a 4-3 DE if so why would we do this

Because he was viewed as a 34 OLB coming out of Purdue. He is crazy athletic.

[iM COLTSSTRONG]

Isn't a 4-3 DE if so why would we do this

he played OLB at purdue. he was drafted as OLB but lions had 4-3 and put him on the end

[dw49]

Put me on the Avril side if we have to go 10 mill per.

[NY_Colts]

I like Avril, depending on the price we could get him for it could be a HUGE move... But I only want him at the right price, less than 10 million a year IMO

[Dustin]

I like Avril, depending on the price we could get him for it could be a HUGE move... But I only want him at the right price, less than 10 million a year IMO

 

He already turned down a 3 year $30 million contract from Detroit. IMO He's looking for around $12 million a year.

[NY_Colts]

He already turned down a 3 year $30 million contract from Detroit. IMO He's looking for around $12 million a year.

Then I would stay away from him, he is a risk coming from a 4-3 to the 3-4 and even though he is a crazy athlete you can't guarantee it will be successful. A 12 million per year player has to be a sure thing for me..... I rather get Harrison or someone less expensive to fill in for Dwight Freeney

[weslo1812]

I posted earlier on another thread that I saw an article on NFL.com that had Said Cliff Avrils agent was saying that a Mario Williams type deal would be nice. I know that could have been sarcasm or maybe even jokingly but non the less a if he or his agent think he is getting anywhere close to that type of money their out of their minds and I mean completely out of it. He in my opinion would be lucky to get anything over 50 mil total. I know they aim high but lets please be realistic here.

[Dustin]

I posted earlier on another thread that I saw an article on NFL.com that had Said Cliff Avrils agent was saying that a Mario Williams type deal would be nice. I know that could have been sarcasm or maybe even jokingly but non the less a if he or his agent think he is getting anywhere close to that type of money their out of their minds and I mean completely out of it. He in my opinion would be lucky to get anything over 50 mil total. I know they aim high but lets please be realistic here.

 

His and Williams production aren't that far off. Williams has 24 more sacks in 2 more seasons, but Avril has more FF. It's not like Williams is miles ahead of him.

[Tyler Shaw]

I posted earlier on another thread that I saw an article on NFL.com that had Said Cliff Avrils agent was saying that a Mario Williams type deal would be nice. I know that could have been sarcasm or maybe even jokingly but non the less a if he or his agent think he is getting anywhere close to that type of money their out of their minds and I mean completely out of it. He in my opinion would be lucky to get anything over 50 mil total. I know they aim high but lets please be realistic here.

There context he said it in was more like "who wouldnt want that kind of money" NEVER anywhere did it say he was seeking that much. IJust that every player would like that money

[NewColtsFan]

His and Williams production aren't that far off. Williams has 24 more sacks in 2 more seasons, but Avril has more FF. It's not like Williams is miles ahead of him.

 

He may not 'miles ahead of him' as you put it,  but they're not that close either....

 

24 more sacks in two more seasons is quite a bit.....

[wig]

He may not 'miles ahead of him' as you put it,  but they're not that close either....

 

24 more sacks in two more seasons is quite a bit.....

If you take out 2011 for Williams since he only played 5 games, Avril has more sacks in their last three seasons.

[Dustin]

He may not 'miles ahead of him' as you put it,  but they're not that close either....

 

24 more sacks in two more seasons is quite a bit.....

 

I mean it's not that big of a discrepency. 12 sacks a season isn't really a stretch for an elite pass rusher.

[FightLikeSin]

Avril > Kruger

[Gavin]

ill take Kruger over Avril in a heartbeat for the right price, Avril will get sacks but he will be useless against the run, He will be Freeney all over again, It will be Run At Avril instead of run at Freeney, No doubt he can rush from the 3-4 pass rush Freeney role, It wont be any different because Avril will likely have his hand down in the dirt the majority of the time but I'd rather get Kruger between them two choices

[Dustin]

ill take Kruger over Avril in a heartbeat for the right price, Avril will get sacks but he will be useless against the run, He will be Freeney all over again, It will be Run At Avril instead of run at Freeney, No doubt he can rush from the 3-4 pass rush Freeney role, It wont be any different because Avril will likely have his hand down in the dirt the majority of the time but I'd rather get Kruger between them two choices

 

Kruger is useless against the run as well.

[lollygagger8]

So we let Freeney go who was terrible against the run, and we are going to sign another OLB who is also terrible against the run?

 

[IndyD4U]

Kruger is useless against the run as well.

 

Indeed. And that is the main reason I would prefer Avril over Kruger. Kruger was a high school QB turned collegiate DE. Avril was a 3-4 OLB and DE at Purdue. I feel that Avril would better fit the role whereas Kruger is going to be more situational, like he was in Baltimore. Just my

[Gavin]

Kruger is useless against the run as well.

Lookin at SI.com stats, your right, good call, if they are correct

[chad72]

Just trade down to top of round 2 and get Jamie Collins. Pick up an extra 3rd and spend that on OLB too. There are alternatives, if deals cannot get done. Or ask Kruger to give us a Pagano discount . (j/k)

 

If it is Kruger, I think we might pull off a 5 yr. $40 mil. type of deal. If it is Avril, that same deal is not happening. Besides, I'd take my chances with an OLB that has learnt the tricks of the LB trade from Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs.

 

You have to factor in that Mathis is on the other side for Kruger, much like he had Suggs to gauge some level of production as bang for the buck. If you are not confident about trotting out a stout D-line, then go with Kruger to win more one-on-one battles on the run front. If you are confident that your D-line would be stout and your LB would be able to make more plays than just ward off OLs and TEs, then go with Avril.

 

I am leaning towards Kruger at this point.

[CR91]

while i would like avril over kruger, questions do come up like how well he would do as a LB since he hasnt played that position in the nfl and was he just a product of being on the same line as suh and fairley

[Derakynn]

Yes, but you must also consider that Mathis benefitted from Freeney. Freeney was always double teamed leaving less people to watch for Mathis. Kruger was the same way in Balt, which probably won't transition into much production for either of the OLBs. I would prefer Avril

[CardiacColts]

There is no question that we need another pass rusher; however, out of these two I would really just like the cheaper option. We have a lot of areas that need filling and I would rather allocate funds for the O line. 

[weslo1812]

There context he said it in was more like "who wouldnt want that kind of money" NEVER anywhere did it say he was seeking that much. IJust that every player would like that money

Thats why I said whether he was joking or being sarcastic which is what that was a form of to me. Well see what happens with it.

[Mameluc]

i rather have baarnes for half the price of kruger avril and be a 1 year stop gap while we draft one

[Coltswarriors]

I'd rather have Avril than Kruger, but he's going to cost a ton.

 

Both might though, and if that's the case get Avril.

[PatMcAfeeFan]

I'd rather have Avril than Kruger, but he's going to cost a ton.

 

Both might though, and if that's the case get Avril.

With Avril's stats he deserves a larger contract than Kruger. Plus he has also had a more productive career so far. 

[Larry Horseman]

Just trade down to top of round 2 and get Jamie Collins. Pick up an extra 3rd and spend that on OLB too. There are alternatives, if deals cannot get done. Or ask Kruger to give us a Pagano discount . (j/k)

 

If it is Kruger, I think we might pull off a 5 yr. $40 mil. type of deal. If it is Avril, that same deal is not happening. Besides, I'd take my chances with an OLB that has learnt the tricks of the LB trade from Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs.

 

You have to factor in that Mathis is on the other side for Kruger, much like he had Suggs to gauge some level of production as bang for the buck. If you are not confident about trotting out a stout D-line, then go with Kruger to win more one-on-one battles on the run front. If you are confident that your D-line would be stout and your LB would be able to make more plays than just ward off OLs and TEs, then go with Avril.

 

I am leaning towards Kruger at this point.

 

Nice post. Both of them have some risk involved. I'm actually leaning more towards Avril at the moment but we're talking 55/45. I don't know how much I love either of them: don't feel like either are a sure thing but Avril is the more proven, consistent player and has made a solid impact since he entered the league. I do think it's worth taking a risk as long as the contract for either is friendly if they don't have really good production by year 3 (by that I mean, don't back-load guaranteed money, so cutting them is feasible). 

[TKnight24]

Does Avril have any experience at OLB? Cause I know for a fact he's too small to be a 3-4 DE.

[Dustin]

Does Avril have any experience at OLB? Cause I know for a fact he's too small to be a 3-4 DE.

He played OLB in college and was projected to play it in the NFL.

[TKnight24]

He played OLB in college and was projected to play it in the NFL.

Ahh, sorta like Hughes. Small DE but due to the team he was drafted to, he had to play DE. Ok, so this is good. He'll probably be more cheaper than Kruger

[jvan1973]

Ahh, sorta like Hughes. Small DE but due to the team he was drafted to, he had to play DE. Ok, so this is good. He'll probably be more cheaper than Kruger

Except Hughes didn't play olb in college