Flacco to Indy

[JackWV]

Flacco to Indy

[PRnum1]

Could be good insurance incase AR gets hurt again

[KB]

Decent mentor for AR. Hope we don't need him tho

[JackWV]

"Breaking: Joe Flacco and the Indianapolis Colts have agreed to a one-year deal worth up to $8.7 million, including $4.5 million guaranteed, sources tell Adam Schefter."

[Goatface Killah]

Now this move Im not that crazy about, but Flacco was really good with Cleveland. 

 

I hope this doesnt affect our ability to bring in some quality help in the secondary. 

[New Zealands #1 Colts Fan]

[Chrisaaron1023]

I think this is a great signing!!

[cjwhiskers]

Exactly what I wanted. A solid vet that can help bring AR along. Flacco is a Super Bowl winning QB and beloved by his teammates. I think outside of his ability to sling it, he can help AR a lot with the mental/leadership side of the game. 

[bleed blue4life]

Agree

[Dingus McGirt]

Is this the end of Sam?

[AwesomeAustin]

Solid backup who can give the team a good chance to win a game if he plays 

[Stephen]

38 minutes ago, Goatface Killah said:

Now this move Im not that crazy about, but Flacco was really good with Cleveland. 

 

I hope this doesnt affect our ability to bring in some quality help in the secondary. 

Good move even at his age his  arm is stronger than minshew.

[Dobbinblitz]

An experienced mentor for AR. Good signing.

[csmopar]

48 minutes ago, Goatface Killah said:

Now this move Im not that crazy about, but Flacco was really good with Cleveland. 

 

I hope this doesnt affect our ability to bring in some quality help in the secondary. 

It won’t. Not from the cap anyway. We can free up like 30 million easily by restructuring various players and or cutting guys like Mo Allie Cox(6 mil there alone)

[Colts1324]

Needed a good backup. But i hate paying for them. Curious how much the cap hit. 
 

anybody know how the cap hit works if it’s UP to “X” amount but the base is much lower? 

[coltsfeva]

He can still spin it…but we thought the same about Ryan 

[GoColts8818]

4 minutes ago, coltsfeva said:

He can still spin it…but we thought the same about Ryan 

Difference is Flacco was still spinning it last year, it was known Ryan’s arm wasn’t what it once was.

[ArmchairQB]

I’m ok with this.  Just really hope AR stays healthy now.  Because that wild card game…ooff!

[KB]

We really are collecting the great QBs of my 20s. Really never thought there would be Flacco, Ryan, and Rivers Colts jerseys.

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, Dingus McGirt said:

Is this the end of Sam?

At least for the near future, Sam is now QB3.   That’s where he was at the start of last year. 

[Goatface Killah]

1 hour ago, Stephen said:

Good move even at his age his  arm is stronger than minshew.

Thats true. I dont mind the player, just wondering about the cap and where we sit with all that.

[w87r]

45 minutes ago, Colts1324 said:

Needed a good backup. But i hate paying for them. Curious how much the cap hit. 
 

anybody know how the cap hit works if it’s UP to “X” amount but the base is much lower? 

 

 

Not bad

 

$4.5m, unless he has to play substantial time 

 

[NFLfan]

28 minutes ago, w87r said:

 

 

Not bad

 

$4.5m, unless he has to play substantial time 

 

 

That is more than reasonable.

[holeymoley99]

1 hour ago, Dingus McGirt said:

Is this the end of Sam?

Not yet, when we bring in a rookie QB to compete for the 3rd spot then that could be the end of Sam. Likely late round pick or priority rookie free agent. I think Emory Jones who is close friends and started over AR in college could be in play.

[cbear]

33 minutes ago, w87r said:

 

 

Not bad

 

$4.5m, unless he has to play substantial time 

 

So how does work though? The guaranteed part only counts against the cap? How do you count the incentive part? It's added to next season? 

[chad72]

2 hours ago, Chrisaaron1023 said:

I think this is a great signing!!

 

That is what I thought too. He has seen enough Ds that he can help AR. They will have to run a different offense if he is there but for a backup, Joe Flacco was plenty good:

 

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/single/qb-grid/team/2023/week/joe-flacco/FLA009602

 

Plus, his average intended air yards and completed yards were both pretty high, suggesting he has no issues pushing the ball farther.

 

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-intended-yards

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-completed-yards

 

 

[Colts1324]

3 minutes ago, cbear said:

So how does work though? The guaranteed part only counts against the cap? How do you count the incentive part? It's added to next season? 

That’s what I’ve been asking to… if the incentives hit, do they go against the following year’s cap??

[w87r]

30 minutes ago, cbear said:

So how does work though? The guaranteed part only counts against the cap? How do you count the incentive part? It's added to next season? 

Just depends what they are

There is NLTBE and LTBE

 

Not likely to be earned vs likely to be earned.

 

 

So say for example if Flacco needs 3000yds to hit an incentive. He only had 1600yds last year, so that would be considered NLTBE. 

 

Now if the incentive this year was 1500yds, since he has 1600yds last year, it would be considered LTBE.

 

 

The big difference, NLTBE doesn't count against cap in current season, LTBE does, but if incentives aren't met, the team gets JT credited back the following year.

[GoColts8818]

Just now, w87r said:

Just depends what they are

There is NLTBE and LTBE

 

Not likely to be earned vs likely to be earned.

 

 

So say for example if Flacco needs 3000yds to hit an incentive. He only had 1600yds last year, so that would be considered NLTBE. 

 

Now if the incentive this year was 1500yds, it would be considered LTBE.

 

 

The big difference, NLTBE doesn't count against cap in current season, LTBE does, but if incentives aren't met, the team gets JT credited back the following year.

I was literally about to replay @w87r is your best bet on this question lol.

[cbear]

1 minute ago, w87r said:

Just depends what they are

There is NLTBE and LTBE

 

Not likely to be earned vs likely to be earned.

 

 

So say for example if Flacco needs 3000yds to hit an incentive. He only had 1600yds last year, so that would be considered NLTBE. 

 

Now if the incentive this year was 1500yds, it would be considered LTBE.

 

 

The big difference, NLTBE doesn't count against cap in current season, LTBE does, but if incentives aren't met, the team gets JT credited back the following year.

So the of its ltbe, it would count right now? 

[Blueblood23]

2 hours ago, JackWV said:

Flacco to Indy

Well now a mobile quarterback and a statue quarterback. The offensive playbook is going to a lot different depending on whose in the game.

[w87r]

20 minutes ago, cbear said:

So the of its ltbe, it would count right now? 

Yes

 

So like I said it just depends what they are.

 

 

If I had to bet, I would bet they are pretty unlikely to be hit and since he didn't play that much, it will make it much more unlikely.

 

 

I'm sure that went into to train of thought when the incentives were placed on the table make sure the incentives qualifies NLTBE.

[ColtV]

2 hours ago, Dingus McGirt said:

Is this the end of Sam?

No, not while he's still on his rookie contract(1 year left, just around $1M).

[cbear]

2 minutes ago, w87r said:

Yes

 

So like I said it just depends what they are.

 

 

If I had to bet, I would get they are pretty unlikely to be hit and since he didn't play that much it will make it much more likely.

 

 

I'm sure that went into to train of thought when the incentives were placed on the table.ake sure the incentives qualifies NLTBE.

Thanks. I wonder why a player (or either side) would even bother with NLTBE in a contract. Other than making the contract look more impressive. I guess even an unreachable incentive is worth something. 

[w87r]

6 minutes ago, cbear said:

Thanks. I wonder why a player (or either side) would even bother with NLTBE in a contract. Other than making the contract look more impressive. I guess even an unreachable incentive is worth something. 

Yeah you never know.

 

 

The difference literally is if you hit those numbers last year or not 

 

So even if an incentive is perceived as NLTBE doesn't mean it actually is. Just how it affects the cap.

 

Example

 

Say last year if Moss had an incentive for 500yds rushing, it would of been NLTBE. He got 749yds, so he would of earned it.

 

[cbear]

8 minutes ago, w87r said:

Yeah you never know.

 

 

The difference literally is if you hit those numbers last year or not 

 

So even if an incentive is perceived as NLTBE doesn't mean it actually is. Just how it affects the cap.

 

Example

 

Say last year if Moss had an incentive for 500yds rushing, it would of been NLTBE. He got 749yds, so he would of earned it.

 

So just to clarify, if the nltbe is reached this season, it doesn't count on this year's cap. But it will be automatically added to next year's cap regardless if the player is still on the team. 

[w87r]

4 minutes ago, cbear said:

So just to clarify, if the nltbe is reached this season, it doesn't count on this year's cap. But it will be automatically added to next year's cap regardless if the player is still on the team. 

Yes, the NLTBE, 100% doesn't count against this years cap. If the incentive is met, it will count against next year's cap, whether the player is on the team or not.

[w87r]

the guy had options. Makes it even an better signing. Wants to be here, not just take whatever offer he got.

 

 

 

[Superman]

52 minutes ago, Blueblood23 said:

Well now a mobile quarterback and a statue quarterback. The offensive playbook is going to a lot different depending on whose in the game.

 

Yeah, I wonder if they would have preferred a more mobile backup as their first option. Even someone who can move as much as Minshew, compared to Flacco who, even in his prime, moved like cold guacamole. 

 

But the Browns made it work last year, going from Watson, to Walker, to DTR, to Flacco. The Colts kind of made it work with Minshew. And if you want a QB who can keep the offense moving for a couple weeks when needed, he's good enough. If he has to play longer than that, you're probably in trouble. 

 

What he really brings is professionalism, pedigree, and a good example for the rest of the offense, and Richardson specifically. In the film room, in meetings, weekly preparation, etc., his example -- not necessarily one on one mentoring and coaching, that's not his job -- can benefit Richardson tremendously. He wasn't really on my radar, and I hope everything above the $4.5m guaranteed is playing time incentives, but I think it's a good addition all the way around. Even if it's not the absolute ideal from a physical standpoint.

[ColtStrong2013]

41 minutes ago, w87r said:

the guy had options. Makes it even an better signing. Wants to be here, not just take whatever offer he got.

 

 

 

It has to be a pretty attractive qb2 spot after watching what happened in ‘23… I was concerned watching the qb’s flying off the board, and never even thought of Flacco as an option. It’s like it came out of thin air. Wild that there was no mention whatsoever it seems.