Watson story today in SI

[Dogg63]

I was on the fence. I no longer am. Just wow. 

 

 

This is excellent investigative reporting.

 

The court of law can do it's thing, as it should. Innocent until proven guilty.

 

The court of public opinion, for me, has, with 22 allegations + this article, slammed the gavel and declared him guilty.

[2006Coltsbestever]

If women are mistreated or sexually assaulted they really need to come out right away, go to a doctor and file a police report. Women coming out 2/5/10 years later needs to stop. This isn't 1990 anymore. The problem with coming out years later you still have to prove he did something wrong. Is there any DNA proving he did anything? Was there any police reports filed? Any doctors visit's mentioning him doing something? Do any of these women have a witness than seen Watson doing something inappropriate to them? If the answer is no to all of these than I don't see him getting into criminal trouble. If Watson doesn't admit he did anything I don't see how he does. Now the NFL may ban him from playing because of this mess but that is a whole different situation.

[ztboiler]

2 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

If women are mistreated or sexually assaulted they really need to come out right away, go to a doctor and file a police report. Women coming out 2/5/10 years later needs to stop. This isn't 1990 anymore. The problem with coming out years later you still have to prove he did something wrong. Is there any DNA proving he did anything? Was there any police reports filed? Any doctors visit's mentioning him doing something? Do any of these women have a witness than seen Watson doing something inappropriate to them? If the answer is no to all of these than I don't see him getting into criminal trouble. If Watson doesn't admit he did anything I don't see how he does. Now the NFL may ban him from playing because of this mess but that is a whole different situation.

I’m not sure you get it

[2006Coltsbestever]

7 minutes ago, ztboiler said:

I’m not sure you get it

Explain it to me like I am an 8 yr old then because if something bad happens to me I am filing a Police report and seeing a doctor with in 24 hours. I am not defending Watson and I respect and love women but to accuse someone of these things without concrete proof is dicey. If 2 or 3 women accused you of something and said it happened 5 years ago, how would you respond if you knew you didn't do anything? If Minors are involved that is a whole different issue but these are adult women. I just know how the law works, is it always right - NO so if something happens to you or anyone, get your proof is all I am saying.

[Four2itus]

2 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Women coming out 2/5/10 years later needs to stop.

Just wow.....

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, Four2itus said:

Just wow.....

So you would prefer them saying something that may of happened over a year or 2 ago "may" is the key word, over them reporting an incident after it happens or within 24-48 hours. Ok wow. It is what it is I guess. I don't think you are understanding what I am posting? I am not saying if something happened to a person 10 years ago they shouldn't come out if it happened but it would be better if they came out right away. I think some people in here want to make people look bad when they post something but have no idea what the post is about. I am done here. 

[Four2itus]

13 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

So you would prefer them saying something that may of happened over a year or 2 ago "may" is the key word, over them reporting an incident after it happens or within 24-48 hours. Ok wow. It is what it is I guess. I don't think you are understanding what I am posting? I am not saying if something happened to a person 10 years ago they shouldn't come out if it happened but it would be better if they came out right away. I think some people in here want to make people look bad when they post something but have no idea what the post is about. I am done here. 

I wasn't trying to make you look bad. ...my apologies. I was honestly shocked at what I quoted from you. Fear, embarrassment, shame, and many things comes into play for women who face a combination of sexual abuse and power games by wealthy men. Sometimes, it takes years for them to find the strength. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

6 minutes ago, Four2itus said:

I wasn't trying to make you look bad. I was honestly shocked at what I quoted from you. Fear, embarrassment, shame, and many things comes into play for women who face a combination of sexual abuse and power games by wealthy men. Sometimes, it takes years for them to find the strength. 

Yeah sometimes when I post my words could come out better. I thought I read it carefully before hitting send because this situation is touchy. Probably when I posted, some would look at that and think I meant women shouldn't come out at all if they wait years. That is not what I meant. It would be better for women to come out within 24-48 hours was really my main point. I agree with what you said above. I am glad I could clarify a little because boiler looks confused as well to what I posted lol. 

[The Fish]

I think Clay Travis knocked out of the park why this story is huge, yet the media is tepid on talking about it. 

Competing narratives for a certain world view..

 

I still don't think we know facts, but the odds that Watson isn't damaged by this are zip now. At the best he's coughing up lot's of money and doing it as a Texan in a year or two if he's lucky to avoid criminal prosecution. 

[chad72]

9 hours ago, Four2itus said:

I wasn't trying to make you look bad. ...my apologies. I was honestly shocked at what I quoted from you. Fear, embarrassment, shame, and many things comes into play for women who face a combination of sexual abuse and power games by wealthy men. Sometimes, it takes years for them to find the strength. 

 

Exactly!!! It is hard enough for ordinary women to summon the courage for reasons you quoted above against ordinary men, it is even harder against wealthier men because they do not have the resources to go the distance in a prolonged court battle that the wealthy can endure, IMO. 

 

 

[pgt_rob]

What a weirdo! He's definitely got some sort of demons to get help with if the reports are true. This "Mary" lady said she contacted the previous massage therapist that referred him and told her about what happened afterwards. I can't believe that it didn't go any further than that like contacting the police right then or banning him from the building. Maybe his "fame" got in their heads a bit? She said this has never happened with any client. Between the two massage therapists and whoever else she talked to about it should have sparked calling the police right away before it gets too late. 

[chad72]

This is a good lawyer's point of view placed in a blog, I found it very level headed:

 

https://www.stradleylaw.com/blog/deshaun-watson-lawsuits-questions/

 

[RollerColt]

43 minutes ago, chad72 said:

This is a good lawyer's point of view placed in a blog, I found it very level headed:

 

https://www.stradleylaw.com/blog/deshaun-watson-lawsuits-questions/

 

Thanks, there's a lot of information and honestly all of this is still at the beginning. It's much too soon to make any sort of judgement or prediction to what will happen. 

 

As the article stated, I'm taking a "wait and see" approach to all of this. 

[stitches]

13 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

So you would prefer them saying something that may of happened over a year or 2 ago "may" is the key word, over them reporting an incident after it happens or within 24-48 hours. Ok wow. It is what it is I guess. I don't think you are understanding what I am posting? I am not saying if something happened to a person 10 years ago they shouldn't come out if it happened but it would be better if they came out right away. I think some people in here want to make people look bad when they post something but have no idea what the post is about. I am done here. 

 

13 hours ago, Four2itus said:

I wasn't trying to make you look bad. ...my apologies. I was honestly shocked at what I quoted from you. Fear, embarrassment, shame, and many things comes into play for women who face a combination of sexual abuse and power games by wealthy men. Sometimes, it takes years for them to find the strength. 

When I was 13 an unknown to me man of about 45-50 approached me in the entrance area of my family's apartment building while I was waiting for the elevator. He started making sexual offers to me. How I should come with him over to his place and he would give me a blow job and stuff like that. I told him to get the # away from me, but he didn't stop and started closing the distance and cornering me against the elevator doors and offering me money. That's when the elevator came and I have no idea why I got in, because it's obviously much more dangerous to me if he followed me in that confined area, but at the time I wasn't thinking straight, just wanted to get away from him... so I got in the elevator and prayed he won't follow. Fortunately for me, he didn't follow. But yah... what @Four2itusis describing is exactly the type of emotions I went through - fear, shame, disgust... and he didn't even touch me. It was right before Christmas too so that was a whole holidays season ruined for me. I was looking back over my shoulder for a while after.

 

This is the first time I'm sharing this with anybody. It's been over 20 years since. It's so easy to say "why didn't you go to the police right away". Well I didn't either. Not just the police but my parents either... or anybody. It's a whirlwind of emotions - of fear and embarassment... feeling somehow... dirty by the mere suggestion that this creep had me in his mind... And my case wasn't even that serious... it's a freaking molehill compared to most of the things we are talking about in this case and in even more disgusting and eggregious cases. Everybody reacts different to that type of assault. Some go to the police right away, some bottle it up and try to forget it forever, some need some time before they go to the police, some never do. I would try not to judge the victims in cases like this, especially on the count of how much time they took to report it.  

[Four2itus]

3 minutes ago, stitches said:

This is the first time I'm sharing this with anybody. It's been over 20 years since.

Damn brave of you. Maybe sharing it will help you heal further. 

[stitches]

20 minutes ago, Four2itus said:

Damn brave of you. Maybe sharing it will help you heal further. 

Thanks. It's been so long that it's been a non-issue for me for a long time. I shared this more as an illustration of what one is feeling at the time and the reasons why some don't report right away. I didn't mean this to be a confession or a release of some sort for me or a call for sympathy or help(I still appreciate your words of encouragement though, so genuinely thank you). I legitimately have been over this for a long-time and again - it wasn't even that serious. I just wanted to share a view point from the point of experience with something somewhat similar with what some of those women have experienced for the benefit of people who question victims' legitimacy or reasonableness when it comes to reports that come a while after the assault.

 

Sure for practical purposes everybody should report right away and try to help catch the predators and convict them the best they can, but not everybody is in this state of mind right after a very stressful and painful event. People react to adversity and trauma different. 

[pgt_rob]

30 minutes ago, stitches said:

 

When I was 13 an unknown to me man of about 45-50 approached me in the entrance area of my family's apartment building while I was waiting for the elevator. He started making sexual offers to me. How I should come with him over to his place and he would give me a blow job and stuff like that. I told him to get the # away from me, but he didn't stop and started closing the distance and cornering me against the elevator doors and offering me money. That's when the elevator came and I have no idea why I got in, because it's obviously much more dangerous to me if he followed me in that confined area, but at the time I wasn't thinking straight, just wanted to get away from him... so I got in the elevator and prayed he won't follow. Fortunately for me, he didn't follow. But yah... what @Four2itusis describing is exactly the type of emotions I went through - fear, shame, disgust... and he didn't even touch me. It was right before Christmas too so that was a whole holidays season ruined for me. I was looking back over my shoulder for a while after.

 

This is the first time I'm sharing this with anybody. It's been over 20 years since. It's so easy to say "why didn't you go to the police right away". Well I didn't either. Not just the police but my parents either... or anybody. It's a whirlwind of emotions - of fear and embarassment... feeling somehow... dirty by the mere suggestion that this creep had me in his mind... And my case wasn't even that serious... it's a freaking molehill compared to most of the things we are talking about in this case and in even more disgusting and eggregious cases. Everybody reacts different to that type of assault. Some go to the police right away, some bottle it up and try to forget it forever, some need some time before they go to the police, some never do. I would try not to judge the victims in cases like this, especially on the count of how much time they took to report it.  

 

Dang, that is awful. Sorry you had to go through that. That is terrifying and I'm glad he didn't follow you or that could have turned bad.

[chad72]

26 minutes ago, stitches said:

Thanks. It's been so long that it's been a non-issue for me for a long time. I shared this more as an illustration of what one is feeling at the time and the reasons why some don't report right away. I didn't mean this to be a confession or a release of some sort for me or a call for sympathy or help(I still appreciate your words of encouragement though, so genuinely thank you). I legitimately have been over this for a long-time and again - it wasn't even that serious. I just wanted to share a view point from the point of experience with something somewhat similar with what some of those women have experienced for the benefit of people who question victims' legitimacy or reasonableness when it comes to reports that come a while after the assault.

 

Sure for practical purposes everybody should report right away and try to help catch the predators and convict them the best they can, but not everybody is in this state of mind right after a very stressful and painful event. People react to adversity and trauma different. 

 

Pretty brave of you man, to bring this up!!!

 

I almost feel like there is a de-sensitization of sex like some recreational hobby or drug that has happened in society. The proliferation of porn and the impact it has even on adults and families that are "supposed to be able to handle it" has been a pet peeve of mine, I have felt it has led to a lot of objectification of women. Just my opinion of course.

 

Not trying to preach from the pulpit, but I have a hard time believing that has not led to an increase in predatory/creepy behavior in adults which has led to parents like me being "Helicopter Dads" for their daughters etc., just like increasingly violent video games have distanced folks that cannot separate reality from video games sometimes de-sensitizing them to the value of lives. Times are different where I cannot ever let my pre-teen daughter walk the dog by herself at dusk or dawn no matter how good my neighborhood is.

 

Maybe I am paranoid.  

[stitches]

15 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Pretty brave of you man, to bring this up!!!

 

I almost feel like there is a de-sensitization of sex like some recreational hobby or drug that has happened in society. The proliferation of porn and the impact it has even on adults and families that are "supposed to be able to handle it" has been a pet peeve of mine.

 

Not trying to preach from the pulpit, but I have a hard time believing that has not led to an increase in predatory/creepy behavior in adults which has led to parents like me being "Helicopter Dads" for their daughters etc. Times are different where I cannot ever let my pre-teen daughter walk the dog by herself at dusk or dawn no matter how good my neighborhood is.

 

Maybe I am paranoid. 

Yeah, I don't have strong feelings on porn and I'm not sure if its proliferation has lead to more predatory behavior(my intuition would be no, but I don't know for sure... it's possible). On the second part - from what I've read, what happened to me is actually somewhat rare... sexual assault and abuse against kids is much more often perpetrated by people close to the family/child that the parents and the child trust, rather than by strangers. Not sure if this helps or worsens your paranoia

[joecolts]

5 minutes ago, chad72 said:

de-sensitization of sex like some recreational hobby or drug that has happened in society. The proliferation of porn and the impact it has even on adults and families

Chad, this is spot on and I'm in complete agreement with you.  I won't get to deep into my background and work or even the politics and faith I practice.  I will mention that for the past 25 years, I've worked with youth in faith based programs and deepened my own relationship and knowledge of faith during that time as well.  What I've observed is our society is spinning out of control and many have lost sight of morals, values, respect, decency, understanding and love of one another.  Because of that, we have become as you mentioned, de-sensitized.  Our faith and/or respect of self and others has been rocked and pushed back.  I believe all of that plays into the conversation in this thread.  @stitchesand anyone else who have been the victim of this type of crime remain in my thoughts and prayers.  Regardless if you are a believer in God or not, we should all at least respect one another enough not to do the things or similar that this football player is accused of or what someone put stitches through.  It's just wrong.        

[joecolts]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

sexual assault and abuse against kids is much more often perpetrated by people close to the family/child that the parents and the child trust, rather than by strangers

Agreed and supported by statistics 

[Colt.45]

On 3/29/2021 at 11:47 PM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah sometimes when I post my words could come out better. I thought I read it carefully before hitting send because this situation is touchy. Probably when I posted, some would look at that and think I meant women shouldn't come out at all if they wait years. That is not what I meant. It would be better for women to come out within 24-48 hours was really my main point. I agree with what you said above. I am glad I could clarify a little because boiler looks confused as well to what I posted lol. 

I get what you're saying but you're eliminating real factors and essentially saying "women shouldn't act like human beings". Sure, in a perfect world, EVERYONE would report criminal activity and the criminals would ALL be punished. The world isn't perfect though...

[The Fish]

So Buzzbee doesn't want to drop evidence to the Houston cops because of his political career rubbing up against players in the PD. 

Certainly could be construed as an excuse.

"Mary" is anonymous- if you follow current events closely and with the proper degree skepticism, "anon" isn't a signed and sealed deal.

 

Point being Watson's attorney has some daylight, not much, but some. 

[Myles]

On 3/29/2021 at 9:32 PM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

If women are mistreated or sexually assaulted they really need to come out right away, go to a doctor and file a police report. Women coming out 2/5/10 years later needs to stop. This isn't 1990 anymore. The problem with coming out years later you still have to prove he did something wrong. Is there any DNA proving he did anything? Was there any police reports filed? Any doctors visit's mentioning him doing something? Do any of these women have a witness than seen Watson doing something inappropriate to them? If the answer is no to all of these than I don't see him getting into criminal trouble. If Watson doesn't admit he did anything I don't see how he does. Now the NFL may ban him from playing because of this mess but that is a whole different situation.

I agree, somewhat.    Many of these complaints against him were not very serious by themselves but bundled together with all the others they become more concerning.  I think several of the complaints were not inappropriate touching as much as inappropriate suggestions.    I don't think there are many women who would go to the police over those kinds of things. 

[BlackTiger]

11 minutes ago, Myles said:

I agree, somewhat.    Many of these complaints against him were not very serious by themselves but bundled together with all the others they become more concerning.  I think several of the complaints were not inappropriate touching as much as inappropriate suggestions.    I don't think there are many women who would go to the police over those kinds of things. 

Agreed, I read the lawsuits on reddit and a bunch of them are not really police report worthy on their own.  Once other people starting making more serious allegations it does make sense to come forward with everything though.  Overall its painting a pretty bad picture here, even if some of the offenses are minor

 

 

[smittywerb]

2 hours ago, The Fish said:

So Buzzbee doesn't want to drop evidence to the Houston cops because of his political career rubbing up against players in the PD. 

Certainly could be construed as an excuse.

"Mary" is anonymous- if you follow current events closely and with the proper degree skepticism, "anon" isn't a signed and sealed deal.

 

Point being Watson's attorney has some daylight, not much, but some. 

Hmmmmmm

[JoeThornburg]

I can see both sides of the argument. Cases like this can be difficult to get an accurate assessment of. The sheer number of cases is overwhelming but at the same time, Buzbee led off with "absolutely will" be filing affidavits to HPD and now almost a month later is redacting this. To me it comes across in the vein of political wrangling and makes this guy look more and more like an ambulance chaser.

 

The only other problem I have with the way these suits come across is, understanding fully that people react to uncomfortable situations in different ways, why did none of these therapists decline to service this particular client at any point? I mean, they are in a professional environment. Granted they might be in fear of their job if they did, but workplaces can get sued for things like this also.

 

To Watson's detriment, personally for me when I was active in athletics and used sport massage on a regular basis, I always preferred a male therapist and never felt comfortable with a female therapist for this and other reasons. I mean I know from personal experience this can also make an athlete vulnerable because if you need work on groin or glutes, you're going to potentially be exposed at some point, even if the therapist does their best to avoid that. The main concern for me was when I needed deep tissue work done, I had a personal favorite at the sports medicine clinic who as an ex-offensive lineman, knew my body and knew how to diagnose those spots that needed the attention and really dig in to get things back in place. I never truly understood why an athlete would put themselves in a position like that. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

@stitches, sorry to hear that happened to you man! For a 13 yr old that had to be terrifying and creepy as hell. Glad you ended up getting away from the guy. All the facts will come out soon and this case will be interesting. So I will leave it at that, it's a mess and a bad situation.

[Mel Kiper's Hair]

Now Watson's lawyers have started finding massage therapists to speak out in favor of Deshaun Watson. This is a mess. I have such mixed feelings about all of this. I want the victims to be telling truth because if they aren't it only makes it that much harder for future victims of sexual abuse to be heard and believed. I also want Watson to be telling the truth. Up until these lawsuits came I think just about everyone had nothing but respect for this young man. He appeared to be one of the faces of the league for the next decade. This is just a very sad situation. My biggest question is why is he having to go get massages on his own? Maybe I don't understand how the sports medicine staffs for NFL teams work but I would think that the team would provide this type of service for the players. If the teams don't offer this type of service why didn't Watson or his agent simply hire a personal masseuse instead of calling seemingly every massage therapist in the greater Houston area? It just doesn't make sense to me.

 

Here is the link to the story about massage therapists coming forward on Watson's behalf.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31171819/two-more-lawsuits-filed-houston-texans-deshaun-watson-pushing-total-21

[coming on strong]

23 minutes ago, Mel Kiper's Hair said:

Now Watson's lawyers have started finding massage therapists to speak out in favor of Deshaun Watson. This is a mess. I have such mixed feelings about all of this. I want the victims to be telling truth because if they aren't it only makes it that much harder for future victims of sexual abuse to be heard and believed. I also want Watson to be telling the truth. Up until these lawsuits came I think just about everyone had nothing but respect for this young man. He appeared to be one of the faces of the league for the next decade. This is just a very sad situation. My biggest question is why is he having to go get massages on his own? Maybe I don't understand how the sports medicine staffs for NFL teams work but I would think that the team would provide this type of service for the players. If the teams don't offer this type of service why didn't Watson or his agent simply hire a personal masseuse instead of calling seemingly every massage therapist in the greater Houston area? It just doesn't make sense to me.

 

Here is the link to the story about massage therapists coming forward on Watson's behalf.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31171819/two-more-lawsuits-filed-houston-texans-deshaun-watson-pushing-total-21

I would be willing to bet money it’s a mix and of truth and lies . Watson probably was inappropriate with a couple of women who he assumed were working girls instead of being legit . Once the lawsuit got out some women jump on board because the money is to good to pass up .   Out of 21 probably half are legit and the other are not.

[Chrisaaron1023]

Dang.. if this is true.. Its just crazy you grow up watching and idolizing these people you see on TV. Some of just freaking weirdos you would never give them the time of day to. Like really who TF does that? Just freaking take of your business your self bro lol. Rubbing your thighs and abs does it for you?! 

 

My my my..

[chad72]

10 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

@stitches, sorry to hear that happened to you man! For a 13 yr old that had to be terrifying and creepy as hell. Glad you ended up getting away from the guy. All the facts will come out soon and this case will be interesting. So I will leave it at that, it's a mess and a bad situation.

Yeah, the analogy I am reminded of is dirty spots on a clean canvas. No matter how much clean there is, it is natural for human beings to focus on the dirty spots, even if there are only a few.

 

So no matter how good a reputation you or I have developed with 100 people, it’s the 5 or 10 people you wronged that can let you down in life, that’s just the way it goes in life.

 

Like you said, good to be patient in these cases and let the facts play themselves out.

[CR91]

I don't wanna make assumptions about this because there are always two sides to a story, but regardless of the truth Watson is gonna be ruined by this.

 

[NFLfan]

On 3/30/2021 at 12:47 AM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah sometimes when I post my words could come out better. I thought I read it carefully before hitting send because this situation is touchy. Probably when I posted, some would look at that and think I meant women shouldn't come out at all if they wait years. That is not what I meant. It would be better for women to come out within 24-48 hours was really my main point. I agree with what you said above. I am glad I could clarify a little because boiler looks confused as well to what I posted lol. 

 

I agree with what Four2itus wrote. Most women I know have been in situations like this and most never report it.

 

I think what makes some uncomfortable here is that some of the women are asking to be compensated for what happened rather than pursuing criminal charges. 

[NFLfan]

On 3/30/2021 at 2:05 PM, stitches said:

 

When I was 13 an unknown to me man of about 45-50 approached me in the entrance area of my family's apartment building while I was waiting for the elevator. He started making sexual offers to me. How I should come with him over to his place and he would give me a blow job and stuff like that. I told him to get the # away from me, but he didn't stop and started closing the distance and cornering me against the elevator doors and offering me money. That's when the elevator came and I have no idea why I got in, because it's obviously much more dangerous to me if he followed me in that confined area, but at the time I wasn't thinking straight, just wanted to get away from him... so I got in the elevator and prayed he won't follow. Fortunately for me, he didn't follow. But yah... what @Four2itusis describing is exactly the type of emotions I went through - fear, shame, disgust... and he didn't even touch me. It was right before Christmas too so that was a whole holidays season ruined for me. I was looking back over my shoulder for a while after.

 

This is the first time I'm sharing this with anybody. It's been over 20 years since. It's so easy to say "why didn't you go to the police right away". Well I didn't either. Not just the police but my parents either... or anybody. It's a whirlwind of emotions - of fear and embarassment... feeling somehow... dirty by the mere suggestion that this creep had me in his mind... And my case wasn't even that serious... it's a freaking molehill compared to most of the things we are talking about in this case and in even more disgusting and eggregious cases. Everybody reacts different to that type of assault. Some go to the police right away, some bottle it up and try to forget it forever, some need some time before they go to the police, some never do. I would try not to judge the victims in cases like this, especially on the count of how much time they took to report it.  

 

Thanks for sharing. I think many have. I don't know about men, but most women I know from all races, ethnicities, nationalities, and religions have reported experiencing some kind of sexual misconduct/impropriety, usually from someone they know. When I was 16 or 17, I had my physics teacher (my favorite teacher) in high school ask me if I would let him touch me. He said, "Could I have a little touch." I remember it as if it happened yesterday. That happened more than 30 years ago. I said no and left in disgust. A week or so later when he noticed that I was not staying after class to ask questions as I normally would, he told me, "All I wanted was a little touch." I did not report this incident to the principal, another teacher, my parents, my siblings or my friends. After graduating from college, a friend and I were talking about our high school teachers and experiences. She mentioned that this teacher (the physics teacher) had reportedly been fired because a student accused him of sexual misconduct. It was then that I revealed this. She was surprised that I had never told her. I never told the school or my parents. There was no longer a reason to.

 

So, yeah, people don't come forward right away (or ever). I do think that it looks bad to bring civil suits in most of these cases. I never would, but perhaps it is just my nature. 

 

[NFLfan]

On 4/1/2021 at 6:50 AM, Mel Kiper's Hair said:

My biggest question is why is he having to go get massages on his own? Maybe I don't understand how the sports medicine staffs for NFL teams work but I would think that the team would provide this type of service for the players. If the teams don't offer this type of service why didn't Watson or his agent simply hire a personal masseuse instead of calling seemingly every massage therapist in the greater Houston area? It just doesn't make sense to me.

 

Very good questions. I wondered the same.

[holeymoley99]

It ruins some but not other, weird how it works. For example Donald Trump's list is very long and detailed and he even admitted to walking in on nude females changing at beauty pageants since he was a sponsoring it but he remained free and even ascended in politics (Dont want to turn it into a political debate one way or the other just pointing out facts)  on the other hand Bill Cosby was one of the most popular sitcom fathers of all time and his accusations ruined his career (Don't want to turn this into a sitcom father debate either again just pointing out facts).......just two extreme examples but there are many out there.

 

I recently had a Pro MMA fighter I manage have accusations leveled against him which were not true but it damaged his rep some until more facts came out later but some still will always have doubts.

 

 

[stitches]

1 hour ago, NFLfan said:

 

Thanks for sharing. I think many have. I don't know about men, but most women I know from all races, ethnicities, nationalities, and religions have reported experiencing some kind of sexual misconduct/impropriety, usually from someone they know. When I was 16 or 17, I had my physics teacher (my favorite teacher) in high school ask me if I would let him touch me. He said, "Could I have a little touch." I remember it as if it happened yesterday. That happened more than 30 years ago. I said no and left in disgust. A week or so later when he noticed that I was not staying after class to ask questions as I normally would, he told me, "All I wanted was a little touch." I did not report this incident to the principal, another teacher, my parents, my siblings or my friends. After graduating from college, a friend and I were talking about our high school teachers and experiences. She mentioned that this teacher (the physics teacher) had reportedly been fired because a student accused him of sexual misconduct. It was then that I revealed this. She was surprised that I had never told her. I never told the school or my parents. There was no longer a reason to.

 

So, yeah, people don't come forward right away (or ever). I do think that it looks bad to bring civil suits in most of these cases. I never would, but perhaps it is just my nature. 

 

Sorry this happened to you. That's inappropriate and creepy in multiple ways too, you being a minor, him being in position of trust and authority and abusing that trust and authority, etc. 

 

I don't know how frequent or rare similar cases are and I for sure allow for different people to feel different about some inappropriate contacts(talking between adults here...)... for example, I can imagine a case where what some might consider inappropriate behavior would be considered welcome flirting by others that are interested in that person. There is a somewhat significant grey area in human interraction that I don't feel like it can or should be legislated. Just people should be responsible adults and not be jerks or creeps and hopefully they don't ignore social cues. On the other hand there definitely is a place for legal action in some of those, so... I guess like with most things we end up at the question of where the line should be, which I'm not sure... but wherever it lands, every case should be judged individually in respect to that line...

 

[JoeThornburg]

4 hours ago, stitches said:

Sorry this happened to you. That's inappropriate and creepy in multiple ways too, you being a minor, him being in position of trust and authority and abusing that trust and authority, etc. 

 

I don't know how frequent or rare similar cases are and I for sure allow for different people to feel different about some inappropriate contacts(talking between adults here...)... for example, I can imagine a case where what some might consider inappropriate behavior would be considered welcome flirting by others that are interested in that person. There is a somewhat significant grey area in human interraction that I don't feel like it can or should be legislated. Just people should be responsible adults and not be jerks or creeps and hopefully they don't ignore social cues. On the other hand there definitely is a place for legal action in some of those, so... I guess like with most things we end up at the question of where the line should be, which I'm not sure... but wherever it lands, every case should be judged individually in respect to that line...

 

This is going to be a really unpopular opinion, but I really don't care at this point. This works both ways. Myself, I was also a victim of sexual abuse at the age of 8.  Back then it definitely was something that got swept under the rug. As a man it's something that haunts you for life. Not going into details but I understand the issue from both sides at the same time. What happened to me was forcible rape. There are different levels of this issue and from my experience unless you are explicitly asking or forcing sexual favors I call nonsense.

 

Women know how to play this game too. Meet someone in a position of power, entertain the notion of having a mutual relationship, don't get what they want out of the situation and have a Boss they have had relations with be honest about their performance in their current role in a workplace, and they cry foul. That's not fair or right either. But it happens everyday because gender equality only goes so far, especially today, and we all know it.

 

That said, I do not understand why this man was randomly looking all these different women up on social media and soliciting their "services". I have made my views on the massage issue very clear in other threads about this. Keep it professional at work, and what you do outside of that remains private. But, that's not how the world works today I suppose.

 

The other thing I'm going to throw in here that people are going to hate, is the simple fact of what happened with Durant this week. He gets a pass from the media because... I'm not even going to speculate. Sure it's cool for this person to make anti-Semitic and misogynistic comments but if I did it.. This is cancel culture at it's finest and I would not be surprised at all to find out that the Texans themselves are behind this.

 

Not saying Watson didn't do anything wrong, but the court of public opinion isn't exactly a place to have this debate.

[horseshoepower]

On 4/1/2021 at 4:24 AM, Chrisaaron1023 said:

Dang.. if this is true.. Its just crazy you grow up watching and idolizing these people you see on TV. Some of just freaking weirdos you would never give them the time of day to. Like really who TF does that? Just freaking take of your business your self bro lol. Rubbing your thighs and abs does it for you?! 

 

My my my..

My my my, I can just imagine the comments the next time the Colts play the Texans and Watson is sacked when his pocket collapses or leg tackled on a naked  bootleg.