REPORT: Trade talks involving WR DONTE MONCRIEF

[MikChiken]

http://nfltraderumors.co/colts-also-trade-talks-involving-wr-donte-moncrief/

[NannyMcafee]

There's not a lot of players I wouldn't be ok with trading at this point

[Defjamz26]

Good. He should be worth a 4th or 5th. 

[John Waylon]

Sold. Don't know what the offer is, but take it. 

[Colts_Fan12]

All these rumors and I bet we don't trade anyone we are dumb and always ask for too much in return lol

[Barry Sears]

Seeing several of our players mentioned as trade targets or available for a trade.  Appears if any of these go down, that were are in rebuilding mode, for sure.  It's much tougher in the NFL, because you have so many players involved.  Roster of 53 with 22 players involved on offense or defense on each play.  Lots of pieces to assemble and get working at the same time at a level to make a playoff run.

 

In baseball, you are looking at 8 every day starters who play both offense and defense, so adding pieces is a much smaller task...even smaller with 5 players in the NBA.

 

I can only imagine how overwhelming it is for Chris Ballard to look at our depth chart and know we only have so many draft picks next year and only so much money to spend.  I believe he's trying to lay a foundation, add players to fill the big holes, hope that Luck returns to form in 2018 and then proceed from there.

 

If you look at the Houston Astros, they did a complete overhaul and rebuild, then added some veterans to the young foundation of their team and they are in the World Series.  As I said, it's fewer players at the major league level, but that formula worked.  Not sure if it can in the NFL, because playing careers are generally much shorter and you can't be as patient to let that young core of players develop.

 

Whatever happens today, I hope we can add some picks and then let his draft picks in 2018 determine if the trades were worthwhile or not.

[BigQandTheManiac]

Good....get him out of here...not Hilton.

[JColts72]

He can go too ASAP

[Steamboat_Shaun]

Seems like as good of a landing spot as any.

 

[Boiler_Colt]

8 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

Seems like as good of a landing spot as any.

 

Ryan Kerrigan or no deal lol

[jvan1973]

33 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

All these rumors and I bet we don't trade anyone we are dumb and always ask for too much in return lol

You have no idea what they offer if the trade doesn't happen

[snkdy]

I would rather we keep TY and Donte. They’re playing without their franchise QB and Donte in particular has barely gotten any targets. I don’t see the benefit of taking weapons away from Andrew. His transition back (whenever that happens) will be difficult enough. We don’t need to make it harder. 

[csmopar]

42 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

All these rumors and I bet we don't trade anyone we are dumb and always ask for too much in return lol

most likely

[Steamboat_Shaun]

2 minutes ago, snkdy said:

I would rather we keep TY and Donte. They’re playing without their franchise QB and Donte in particular has barely gotten any targets. I don’t see the benefit of taking weapons away from Andrew. His transition back (whenever that happens) will be difficult enough. We don’t need to make it harder. 

 

If he's as good of a QB as we all think he is, throwing to some new WRs shouldn't hurt him, especially if the run game is improved next year. It'll likely be an entirely new offensive system regardless, so no matter who's in at WR, there'll likely be an adjustment period for everyone to get on the same page.

[1959Colts]

50 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

All these rumors and I bet we don't trade anyone we are dumb and always ask for too much in return lol

 

We may be in last place in all other categories...

But we lead the league in rumors.

 

[snkdy]

6 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

If he's as good of a QB as we all think he is, throwing to some new WRs shouldn't hurt him, especially if the run game is improved next year. It'll likely be an entirely new offensive system regardless, so no matter who's in at WR, there'll likely be an adjustment period for everyone to get on the same page.

 

I get what you're saying, but I just don't see the benefit. Of course Andrew could potentially develop rapport with new receivers. But why bother? Andrew's chemistry with TY is well-documented. This just seems so unnecessary. We have bigger issues on this team than TY. 

[buccolts]

55 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

All these rumors and I bet we don't trade anyone we are dumb and always ask for too much in return lol

 

You'll have a difficult time convincing those commenting on prospective trades, and many already made.

 

[Steamboat_Shaun]

1 minute ago, snkdy said:

 

I get what you're saying, but I just don't see the benefit. Of course Andrew could potentially develop rapport with new receivers. But why bother? Andrew's chemistry with TY is well-documented. This just seems so unnecessary. We have bigger issues on this team than TY. 

 

If moving him can help solve some of those larger issues though, then it's not really as bad of an idea as some are making it sound. Trading him would open up $11mil of extra cap for next year, and would likely haul 2 high-ish draft picks. $11mil and a couple draft picks alone could go a long way in solving our ILB issue.

[Colts_Fan12]

29 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

You have no idea what they offer if the trade doesn't happen

Anything for vontae and gore is literally a plus both will be gone after this year the only one we should ask a lot for is TY

[snkdy]

2 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

If moving him can help solve some of those larger issues though, then it's not really as bad of an idea as some are making it sound. Trading him would open up $11mil of extra cap for next year, and would likely haul 2 high-ish draft picks. $11mil and a couple draft picks alone could go a long way in solving our ILB issue.

 

We already have enough cap room to address those deficits. That’s an area where the Colts have done very well over the last few years. We haven’t necessarily made the best decisions with the excess of money we’ve had but that’s a different discussion. 

[csmopar]

5 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

Anything for vontae and gore is literally a plus both will be gone after this year the only one we should ask a lot for is TY

i think Moncrief is gone too. 

17 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

 

We may be in last place in all other categories...

But we lead the league in rumors.

 

aint that the truth

[aaron11]

11 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

 $11mil and a couple draft picks alone could go a long way in solving our ILB issue.

then we would have a WR issue. we already have one for that matter, trade ty and it gets much worse

 

not going to win many games like that

[Steamboat_Shaun]

1 minute ago, snkdy said:

 

We already have enough cap room to address those deficits. That’s an area where the Colts have done very well over the last few years. We haven’t necessarily made the best decisions with the excess of money we’ve had but that’s a different discussion. 

 

A team in our current situation can never have enough cap money or draft picks.

[csmopar]

Just now, snkdy said:

 

We already have enough cap room to address those deficits. That’s an area where the Colts have done very well over the last few years. We haven’t necessarily made the best decisions with the excess of money we’ve had but that’s a different discussion. 

yes/no.  Think about it, if we can draft a stud at one position, that frees up money to go after an even higher ranked stud in FA.  Now the draft coming after FA means its a crap shoot and a risk regardless but there are some benefits to moving on from guys like Gore, Davis, Moncrief.  As for TY, I'd prefer we keep him and pick up a WR1 and make TY a WR2 but if the right offer came along, i'd pull that trigger too.

[richard pallo]

I'm expecting a couple of trades today.  Ballard already has shown he is not afraid to deal.  With multiple suitors for multiple players you would think he will find something to his liking. 

[Steamboat_Shaun]

1 minute ago, aaron11 said:

then we would have a WR issue. we already have one for that matter, trade ty and it gets much worse

 

not going to win many games like that

 

We're 2-6 right now, with TY & Moncrief on the roster, 8-8 the past 2 years. We're not winning a lot of games either way.

[PeterBowman]

hmmmmm top tier D, with efficient offensive and top QB....could be recipe for success going forward....maybe go to the New England death by a 1000 cuts offense instead of going for all the chunk plays.

[krunk]

This year really sucks!

[snkdy]

4 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

A team in our current situation can never have enough cap money or draft picks.

 

If I recall correctly, we’re already near the top of the league in cap room for next season. It has to be near 60 million. Trading TY for space doesn’t make sense. Would it be nice to have 70 or so? I guess. But I don’t think it’s necessary or that it’s worth losing Andrew’s most reliable weapon.

 

4 minutes ago, csmopar said:

yes/no.  Think about it, if we can draft a stud at one position, that frees up money to go after an even higher ranked stud in FA.  Now the draft coming after FA means its a crap shoot and a risk regardless but there are some benefits to moving on from guys like Gore, Davis, Moncrief.  As for TY, I'd prefer we keep him and pick up a WR1 and make TY a WR2 but if the right offer came along, i'd pull that trigger too.

 

I don’t mind moving Gore or Davis. Gore in particular deserves to be on a contender. I would just rather keep the two receivers. How do we even gauge Moncrief’s abilities when he’s thrown to once or twice per game? We need a new OC not a complete overhaul. 

[jvan1973]

21 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

Anything for vontae and gore is literally a plus both will be gone after this year the only one we should ask a lot for is TY

You have to have a team willing to give you something for them

[Chrisaaron1023]

Who is Donte Moncrief?

[Steamboat_Shaun]

Just now, snkdy said:

 

If I recall correctly, we’re already near the top of the league in cap room for next season. It has to be near 60 million. Trading TY for space doesn’t make sense. Would it be nice to have 70 or so? I guess. But I don’t think it’s necessary or that it’s worth losing Andrew’s most reliable weapon.

 

 

I don’t mind moving Gore or Davis. Gore in particular deserves to be on a contender. I would just rather keep the two receivers. How do we even gauge Moncrief’s abilities when he’s thrown to once or twice per game? We need a new OC not a complete overhaul. 

 

The overhaul is coming whether we like it or not. Ballard turned over half of our roster last year, and most of it was on the defensive side of the ball. He's nowhere near finished. Our cap as of right now will be in the $87mil neighborhood, and if he can add to that, as well as pull in a few draft picks, he's going to.

 

If someone offers a 1st + a 2nd or 3rd round pick for TY, there's no way Ballard doesn't make that deal. 2 high round picks and wipe his contract from the books, it's a no-brainer for a GM who's in full-blown rebuild mode. That's a high price tag, but you never know, someone who's in "win now" mode might be compelled to do it.

 

As far as Moncreif goes, we've seen what he brings to the table at this point. This is his 4th season as a Colt, he's a nice player, young, lots of potential. At the same time, very replaceable.

[Colts_Fan12]

8 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

You have to have a team willing to give you something for them

Teams have supposedly called about vontae and gore we should have said yes to whatever they were gonna give to free cap like I said if they called we prolly were asking for too much 

[snkdy]

3 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

The overhaul is coming whether we like it or not. Ballard turned over half of our roster last year, and most of it was on the defensive side of the ball. He's nowhere near finished. Our cap as of right now will be in the $87mil neighborhood, and if he can add to that, as well as pull in a few draft picks, he's going to.

 

If someone offers a 1st + a 2nd or 3rd round pick for TY, there's no way Ballard doesn't make that deal. 2 high round picks and wipe his contract from the books, it's a no-brainer for a GM who's in full-blown rebuild mode. That's a high price tag, but you never know, someone who's in "win now" mode might be compelled to do it.

 

As far as Moncreif goes, we've seen what he brings to the table at this point. This is his 4th season as a Colt, he's a nice player, young, lots of potential. At the same time, very replaceable.

 

Wow 87 million is remarkable. 

 

I sincerely don’t believe TY will be traded. The negatives just outweigh the positives from my perspective. If I’m wrong, I’ll be disappointed but I’ll be happy to eat crow. I think there’s a higher probability that Moncrief is traded, but I hope not. We’ve seen what he can do in the redzone with Luck. I just wish Brissett would throw to him more. 

[jvan1973]

8 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

Teams have supposedly called about vontae and gore we should have said yes to whatever they were gonna give to free cap like I said if they called we prolly were asking for too much 

Supposedly is a very key word.   

[Deadpool]

 

8 minutes ago, snkdy said:

 

If I recall correctly, we’re already near the top of the league in cap room for next season. It has to be near 60 million. Trading TY for space doesn’t make sense. Would it be nice to have 70 or so? I guess. But I don’t think it’s necessary or that it’s worth losing Andrew’s most reliable weapon.

 

 

I don’t mind moving Gore or Davis. Gore in particular deserves to be on a contender. I would just rather keep the two receivers. How do we even gauge Moncrief’s abilities when he’s thrown to once or twice per game? We need a new OC not a complete overhaul. 

 

Whether we like it or not a complete overhaul is going to be done, and quite frankly I believe the colts need it. Grigson had one good year as a GM and that was his first year. he had the # 1 overall pick, went after luck, then did some trading to get Hilton, Allen and Fleener all in the first 3 rounds. and then a week into the season went out traded a 2nd rounder for Vontae Davis. 

 

After that first year, he tore this team up. two big key mistakes was 1) trading a first rounder for Trent Richardson, and then drafting Dorsett in the first round when Landon Collins was still on the board. knowing our defense was an issue, he goes receiver. he neglected the defense, and neglected the offensive line. Cowboys offensive line, all but one were first round picks. La'el Collins their RT? was a top 10 pick had it not been for the investigation of murder or assault of his gf, which ever one it was, instead he was taken as an undrafted FA. Grigson had 4 years to build a decent offensive line around Luck and couldn't do it. He had 4 years to build a defense and couldn't do it. If he would have done one or the other, he probably would still be the GM right now. But he tore this team up. and now ballard has to fix it. and the only way he can do that, is get rid of all of grigsons guys, and rebuild. Unfortunately for him he will have to do it fast or Luck will be wasted talent. 

[Steamboat_Shaun]

1 minute ago, snkdy said:

 

Wow 87 million is remarkable. 

 

I sincerely don’t believe TY will be traded. The negatives just outweigh the positives from my perspective. If I’m wrong, I’ll be disappointed but I’ll be happy to eat crow. I think there’s a higher probability that Moncrief is traded, but I hope not. We’ve seen what he can do in the redzone with Luck. I just wish Brissett would throw to him more. 

 

No need to eat crow, 4pm isn't far off, so we'll find out soon enough. And for the record, I wish we could just keep all of these guys and win a Super Bowl next year, but we've gotta be realistic. Draft capital and cap money are HUGE for teams in a rebuild, so we should all brace ourselves.

[NewColtsFan]

30 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

We're 2-6 right now, with TY & Moncrief on the roster, 8-8 the past 2 years. We're not winning a lot of games either way.

 

The problem isn't TY or Moncrief.

 

The problem is that Andrew Luck stands on the sidelines.      That's why our record is 2-8.

 

Why isn't that obvious?

 

[NewColtsFan]

17 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

The overhaul is coming whether we like it or not. Ballard turned over half of our roster last year, and most of it was on the defensive side of the ball. He's nowhere near finished. Our cap as of right now will be in the $87mil neighborhood, and if he can add to that, as well as pull in a few draft picks, he's going to.

 

If someone offers a 1st + a 2nd or 3rd round pick for TY, there's no way Ballard doesn't make that deal. 2 high round picks and wipe his contract from the books, it's a no-brainer for a GM who's in full-blown rebuild mode. That's a high price tag, but you never know, someone who's in "win now" mode might be compelled to do it.

 

As far as Moncreif goes, we've seen what he brings to the table at this point. This is his 4th season as a Colt, he's a nice player, young, lots of potential. At the same time, very replaceable.

 

It doesn't look like 2018 is the year to have a lot of money for Free Agency.

 

About a month ago ESPN.com did a first look at the 2018 FA class...    a top-10.

 

And Vonte Davis was 9 and Frank Gore was 10.

 

That's how bad it was.       Guys who many here want to get rid of were both in the top-10.

 

By the way,  you may be right,  but I have not seen that figure of 87 million anywhere else besides your post.    Not sure if you crunched numbers or read that elsewhere....

 

[GoColts8818]

He’s a free agent at the end of the season and for whatever reason isn’t doing much on the field right now.  If the Colts can get something for him it makes sense.