Trevathan contract sets some baseline for Jerrell Freeman

[chad72]

With Danny Trevathan signing with the Bears for close to $7 mil. per year for 4 years, I feel Freeman would end up close to the $24 mil. for 4 year range.

 

Freeman is still in the prime of his career and has just 1 chance to cash in on his NFL prime. He has played as well as he possibly could for us the last 4 years, especially the recent year, for what he was paid. Very good find by Grigson that I feel we should retain.

 

I remember those Polian years when he did not value LBs and let guys like Peterson, Thornton go only to see them play well for our division rivals. Yeah, we still won on the heels of our offense more often than not but retaining some of them could have helped our front 7 in the long run.

 

Thoughts???

[Nesjan3]

pay the guy, we dont really have a choice IMO, we cant roll with DQ and Sio, we have much greater needs to draft and there is no other good ILB in FA

[Dustin]

I'd rather have the comp. pick tbh

[Derakynn]

I don't have as high of an opinion on him as other people seem to, so I wouldn't want to pay 6m/yr. Also, I don't really get why everyone always lists Sio Moore as one of our ILBs but not Nate Irving, who was is a pretty solid player. 

[MTC]

2 minutes ago, Dustin said:

I'd rather have the comp. pick tbh

 

TRADABLE comp. pick 

 

[Jason_]

I'd have rather had trvathan for 7per

[Freenyfan102]

Yeah we gave our 4 year contract to a TE with health issues

[B~Town]

12 minutes ago, MTC said:

 

TRADABLE comp. pick 

 

Heard that thrown and a lot in recent days how many can we rack up next year . Could it be a plan to load up on picks next year and build a defense or O line .

[NewColtsFan]

23 minutes ago, chad72 said:

With Danny Trevathan signing with the Bears for close to $7 mil. per year for 4 years, I feel Freeman would end up close to the $24 mil. for 4 year range.

 

Freeman is still in the prime of his career and has just 1 chance to cash in on his NFL prime. He has played as well as he possibly could for us the last 4 years, especially the recent year, for what he was paid. Very good find by Grigson that I feel we should retain.

 

I remember those Polian years when he did not value LBs and let guys like Peterson, Thornton go only to see them play well for our division rivals. Yeah, we still won on the heels of our offense more often than not but retaining some of them could have helped our front 7 in the long run.

 

Thoughts???

 

The difference between Trevathan and Freeman I think is much bigger than you're making it out to be.

 

For one thing,   Trev is 26....    Freeman is about to turn 30.     Those four years are huge in determining what you're willing to pay.      And I think it's much more than just an additional $1 Mill.

 

Put another way,  if we pay Freeman 4/24,   then I think we've overpaid.     I don't think that's his market.

 

And if it,  I'm fine letting him go elsewhere for that kind of money.      I don't like bad contracts.

 

I think Jerrell is closer to 4/20,  maybe even less.

[TheRustonRifle#7]

9 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

I'd have rather had trvathan for 7per

Agreed!

[jvan1973]

8 minutes ago, Freenyfan102 said:

Yeah we gave our 4 year contract to a TE with health issues

What health issues? 

[NorthernBlue]

I don't know how I feel about giving Freeman a 4/24. How many of those years will he live up to the contract? 2? Maybe 3? At what point does his play decline? These are all questions the front office needs to answer, and probably should have the answers to already, before giving him his pay day

[chad72]

15 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

The difference between Trevathan and Freeman I think is much bigger than you're making it out to be.

 

For one thing,   Trev is 26....    Freeman is about to turn 30.     Those four years are huge in determining what you're willing to pay.      And I think it's much more than just an additional $1 Mill.

 

Put another way,  if we pay Freeman 4/24,   then I think we've overpaid.     I don't think that's his market.

 

And if it,  I'm fine letting him go elsewhere for that kind of money.      I don't like bad contracts.

 

I think Jerrell is closer to 4/20,  maybe even less.

 

4/20 sounds about right, given his age.

[MPStack]

I`m kinda hoping someone overpays for the Freeman. Polian overpaid for average talent like Gary Brackett. This team and specifically defense can not and will not be fixed in one off season.

[lollygagger8]

Trevathan > Freeman 

[Patagonia Chris]

35 minutes ago, Freenyfan102 said:

Yeah we gave our 4 year contract to a TE with health issues

 

If we know one thing by now, it's that Grigson is always willing to double down on someone with health issues.

[OHColtfan]

Not excited about paying him that kind of money. Kind of thought that was the reason we gave our 6th for Sio Moore or signed Irving, to let Freeman walk after last season. Rather see us spend the $$ elsewhere. See if Moore, Irving , Herrera can claim the spot.

 

We have to get something from all of these draft picks we have wasted- 1st for Werner, 1st for Richardson, 7th for Winn (who we are apparently not re-signing) and a 6th for Moore. Can't build squat trading away and wasting picks.

[throwing BBZ]

1 hour ago, chad72 said:

With Danny Trevathan signing with the Bears for close to $7 mil. per year for 4 years, I feel Freeman would end up close to the $24 mil. for 4 year range.

 

Freeman is still in the prime of his career and has just 1 chance to cash in on his NFL prime. He has played as well as he possibly could for us the last 4 years, especially the recent year, for what he was paid. Very good find by Grigson that I feel we should retain.

 

I remember those Polian years when he did not value LBs and let guys like Peterson, Thornton go only to see them play well for our division rivals. Yeah, we still won on the heels of our offense more often than not but retaining some of them could have helped our front 7 in the long run.

 

Thoughts???

 

 Freeman stank early in this last season.
 Had a good 8 games or so.
 His legs are certainly Past Prime so ya... so i could see Grigson giving him a big check for 2 years.

[RealityIsLuck]

I'm surprised with the 7mil annually mark, I thought he'd get more. I wouldn't mind Freeman at 7 mil annually on a shorter deal than 4 years, I'd be willing to give him more guaranteed instead. Something like:

 

Trevathan: 4/28 (G'd money tbd)

 

Freeman: 2 or 3/14 or 21 M (Higher g'd %)

[BOTT]

Polian was correct to let those linebackers walk. They were solid players, but not worth the money they received.  Unfortunately he turned around and payed Brackett.

[TheEdgeis1]

I would like to see Freeman get signed, if we over pay for him look at it this way, he has over played his contract since he has been here by a large margin.  so i have no problem if we over pay one mill. or so per year.  When he is not in the line up for us on defense you can see our defense is not the same.

[lollygagger8]

15 hours ago, RealityIsLuck said:

I'm surprised with the 7mil annually mark, I thought he'd get more. I wouldn't mind Freeman at 7 mil annually on a shorter deal than 4 years, I'd be willing to give him more guaranteed instead. Something like:

 

Trevathan: 4/28 (G'd money tbd)

 

Freeman: 2 or 3/14 or 21 M (Higher g'd %)

 

$7M/yr for Trevathan is a great deal. 

 

This is interesting.........

 

Freeman stats: 

SEASON	TEAM	GP	COMB	TOTAL	AST	SACK	FF	FR	YDS	INT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD	PD	STF	STFYDS	KB
2012	IND	16	145	90	55	2.0	1	0	0	1	4	4	4	1	2	6	20	0
2013	IND	16	126	83	43	5.5	6	2	24	2	13	7	13	0	6	5	16	0
2014	IND	12	94	57	37	1.5	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	4	9	0
2015	IND	13	112	66	46	3.0	0	1	0	1	23	23	23	1	2	2	9	0
Career		57	477	296	181	12.0	8	3	0	4	40	10	23	2	16	17	54	0

 

Trevathan stats: 

SEASON	TEAM	GP	COMB	TOTAL	AST	SACK	FF	FR	YDS	INT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD	PD	STF	STFYDS	KB
2012	DEN	16	33	22	11	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	1	1	0
2013	DEN	16	129	88	41	2.0	4	1	0	3	29	10	29	0	10	7	25	0
2014	DEN	3	11	9	2	0.0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
2015	DEN	15	109	73	36	0.0	0	0	0	2	39	20	25	1	6	3	7	0
Career		50	282	192	90	3.0	4	1	0	5	68	14	29	1	19	11	33	0

[ricker182]

It would be a huge mistake to give Freeman that much.   

Let him walk at that price.   

  

I would have rather signed Trevathan at that price.   

That's a steal IMO. 

[1959Colts]

Time for a few new LBs

Let Freeman go.

[ricker182]

I'm going to assume Trevathan didn't want to play for us at $7M per.   

  

If he would have, then we screwed up.  

  

If we didn't try to sign him then that was a huge mistake. 

[chad72]

1 hour ago, lollygagger8 said:

 

$7M/yr for Trevathan is a great deal. 

 

This is interesting.........

 

Freeman stats: 

SEASON	TEAM	GP	COMB	TOTAL	AST	SACK	FF	FR	YDS	INT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD	PD	STF	STFYDS	KB
2012	IND	16	145	90	55	2.0	1	0	0	1	4	4	4	1	2	6	20	0
2013	IND	16	126	83	43	5.5	6	2	24	2	13	7	13	0	6	5	16	0
2014	IND	12	94	57	37	1.5	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	4	9	0
2015	IND	13	112	66	46	3.0	0	1	0	1	23	23	23	1	2	2	9	0
Career		57	477	296	181	12.0	8	3	0	4	40	10	23	2	16	17	54	0

 

Trevathan stats: 

SEASON	TEAM	GP	COMB	TOTAL	AST	SACK	FF	FR	YDS	INT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD	PD	STF	STFYDS	KB
2012	DEN	16	33	22	11	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	1	1	0
2013	DEN	16	129	88	41	2.0	4	1	0	3	29	10	29	0	10	7	25	0
2014	DEN	3	11	9	2	0.0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
2015	DEN	15	109	73	36	0.0	0	0	0	2	39	20	25	1	6	3	7	0
Career		50	282	192	90	3.0	4	1	0	5	68	14	29	1	19	11	33	0

 

If you look at things objectively, Freeman did not have the same quality of DL or pass rush to take the focus off the LBs. Trevathan did. So, when the focus is not on you as much, there will be fewer plays to assess you based on and it is easier to come out on top as a percentage of those plays. Ask Ray Lewis and how Ngata revived his career. I do think Freeman deserves at least $20 mil. over 4 years.

[lollygagger8]

1 hour ago, chad72 said:

 

If you look at things objectively, Freeman did not have the same quality of DL or pass rush to take the focus off the LBs. Trevathan did. So, when the focus is not on you as much, there will be fewer plays to assess you based on and it is easier to come out on top as a percentage of those plays. Ask Ray Lewis and how Ngata revived his career. I do think Freeman deserves at least $20 mil. over 4 years.

 

If he signs for $5M/yr I'd be just fine with that. 

[John Waylon]

I'm slightly surprised Freeman is still on the market. I figured a team would snap him up for between 6 and 7 million per year on day 1. 

 

Freeman isn't terrible, but he's not great, either. He racks up a lot of tackles because our defense is below average and can't get off the field. His pass coverage is suspect more often than not, and there are plenty of times where he over pursues, uses a bad angle, or just flat out misses a guy. 

 

I'm curious as to what we've offered him. Now that the bloody feeding frenzy has ended I don't see him getting anything north of 6 million. I'd say we have an offer in to him between 5 and 5.5 million. I fully agree with the sentiment that the longer the wait goes, the more likely it is he returns. 

[Surge89]

22 hours ago, chad72 said:

With Danny Trevathan signing with the Bears for close to $7 mil. per year for 4 years, I feel Freeman would end up close to the $24 mil. for 4 year range.

 

Freeman is still in the prime of his career and has just 1 chance to cash in on his NFL prime. He has played as well as he possibly could for us the last 4 years, especially the recent year, for what he was paid. Very good find by Grigson that I feel we should retain.

 

I remember those Polian years when he did not value LBs and let guys like Peterson, Thornton go only to see them play well for our division rivals. Yeah, we still won on the heels of our offense more often than not but retaining some of them could have helped our front 7 in the long run.

 

Thoughts???

 

Issue 1: he's 30.  So saying he's in his prime is stretching it.  He's in the Twilight :-)

 

Issue 2: he isn't worth anything over 3 million a year and I'd rather spend elsewhere

 

Issue 3: Polian let them go rightfully so.  My issue with Polian has always been overpaying Brackett  (overpay is an understatement) and not prioritizing the MLB spot via draft/FA.  He was content with Brackett but Brackett was barely average. 

[MTC]

 

[1959Colts]

20 minutes ago, MTC said:

 

Good. we need some new LBs

[Defjamz26]

Freeman wants starter money with a backup skill set. I see no reason to pay him. I'm surprised he lasted this long.

[chad72]

14 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

Freeman wants starter money with a backup skill set. I see no reason to pay him. I'm surprised he lasted this long.

 

It is probably because he is asking for too much.

[chrisfarley]

On 3/9/2016 at 2:28 PM, chad72 said:

With Danny Trevathan signing with the Bears for close to $7 mil. per year for 4 years, I feel Freeman would end up close to the $24 mil. for 4 year range.

 

Freeman is still in the prime of his career and has just 1 chance to cash in on his NFL prime. He has played as well as he possibly could for us the last 4 years, especially the recent year, for what he was paid. Very good find by Grigson that I feel we should retain.

 

I remember those Polian years when he did not value LBs and let guys like Peterson, Thornton go only to see them play well for our division rivals. Yeah, we still won on the heels of our offense more often than not but retaining some of them could have helped our front 7 in the long run.

 

Thoughts???

Trevathan is much better than Freeman - wish we could have gotten him.  He is a monster.

[Defjamz26]

3 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

It is probably because he is asking for too much.

That's exactly what I'm saying. He wants premier ILB money and he's not that. Probably wants like $8 million per, and D'Qwell doesn't even make that. Not saying he should but he's better than Freeman.

[chad72]

10 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

That's exactly what I'm saying. He wants premier ILB money and he's not that. Probably wants like $8 million per, and D'Qwell doesn't even make that. Not saying he should but he's better than Freeman.

 

The problem then ends up like Jake Scott. You get the same amount offered by someone else, you feel somehow inclined to accept it from someone else than your former team because of pride.