Jonathan Newsome playing DE

[TKnight24]

@HolderStephen: Writing a story about progress of #Colts draft class. Told you about Moncrief. But also learned that Newsome taking some DE snaps in nickel

By golly I think Manusky is finally getting it!!!!!!!!! He's trying people at multiple positions, hopefully planning things for Robert Mathis' suspension

[CR91]

I haven't heard anything about Andrew jackson

[akcolt]

Wait for pads and listen

[NewColtsFan]

@HolderStephen: Writing a story about progress of #Colts draft class. Told you about Moncrief. But also learned that Newsome taking some DE snaps in nickel

By golly I think Manusky is finally getting it!!!!!!!!! He's trying people at multiple positions, hopefully planning things for Robert Mathis' suspension

 

I think that's a misleading comment by Holder.....

 

I seriously doubt a 250 pound Newsome is playing DE.      He's playing OLB who is rushing the QB in nickel situations.

 

He can call it DE all he wants,  but it's much more a rush linebacker than anything else.

 

A 250 pound player would barely make sense in a 4-3,  it would make zero sense in a 3-4.

[The Peytonator]

No crap, the edge rusher is rushing the edge! Why, that's almost like Robert Mathis playing DE on passing downs.

 

 

Well my mind is blown.

[BleedBlu8792]

I think that's a misleading comment by Holder.....

 

I seriously doubt a 250 pound Newsome is playing DE.      He's playing OLB who is rushing the QB in nickel situations.

 

He can call it DE all he wants,  but it's much more a rush linebacker than anything else.

 

A 250 pound player would barely make sense in a 4-3,  it would make zero sense in a 3-4.

 

How big do you think Mathis is? Mathis plays/played DE in 4 man fronts. Mathis MIGHT be 240'ish at the most.

[lennymoore24]

Why does this surprise anyone????  In passing situations, the rush linebacker often lines up at DE.  Where's the news???

[NewColtsFan]

How big do you think Mathis is? Mathis plays/played DE in 4 man fronts. Mathis MIGHT be 240'ish at the most.

 

I know,   there are exceptions to every rule...   And Mathis is exceptional!   

 

But, generally speaking playing at sub-250 in a 4-3 is not done very often.

 

Most 4-3's prefer their DE's to be 260 or greater....

[csmopar]

I know, there are exceptions to every rule... And Mathis is exceptional!

But, generally speaking playing at sub-250 in a 4-3 is not done very often.

Most 4-3's prefer their DE's to be 260 or greater....

Mathis and freeny were/are both under that.....

[SteelCityColt]

Mathis and freeny were/are both under that.....

 

I think that was his point?  Matthis/Freeney were not the norm for the position.

[Kyle]

Mathis and freeny were/are both under that.....

 

 

I think that was his point?  Matthis/Freeney were not the norm for the position.

 

 

Which made us great with the lead when we could unleash them on the QB.....but also made us susceptible to the run and created problems for us when we were coming from behind

[TKnight24]

Why does this surprise anyone???? In passing situations, the rush linebacker often lines up at DE. Where's the news???

I think that's a misleading comment by Holder.....

I seriously doubt a 250 pound Newsome is playing DE. He's playing OLB who is rushing the QB in nickel situations.

He can call it DE all he wants, but it's much more a rush linebacker than anything else.

A 250 pound player would barely make sense in a 4-3, it would make zero sense in a 3-4.

In a 3-4, the Nickel package is sometimes a 2-4-5

2 Defensive Linemen

4 Linebackers

5 Defensive Backs

Stephen Holder could've seen Jonathan in on plays where he was part of the 2 defensive linemen group & Erik Walden & Bejoern Werner were the OLB

He didn't go into detail much but he did say he was gonna write an article on it so I'll see if I can find that & get more clarity

[TKnight24]

I know, there are exceptions to every rule... And Mathis is exceptional!

But, generally speaking playing at sub-250 in a 4-3 is not done very often.

Most 4-3's prefer their DE's to be 260 or greater....

Found the article. It's indystar & I remember you saying they banned you so here's some quotes

Quote from Mathis on Jonathan

"He's a natural pass rusher," Robert Mathis said. "You can't say that about a lot of guys, but he's one of them."

Where it says Jonathan is playing DE

"Newsome said he's playing mostly strong-side linebacker but also is adding some defensive end to his repertoire in passing situations. His versatility is giving the Colts something to think about, especially with Mathis suspended for the season's first four games."

Article link: http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/06/18/colts-insider-draft-picks-adapt-quickly/10808015/

[AntonMcG]

In a 3-4, the Nickel package is sometimes a 2-4-5

2 Defensive Linemen

4 Linebackers

5 Defensive Backs

Stephen Holder could've seen Jonathan in on plays where he was part of the 2 defensive linemen group & Erik Walden & Bejoern Werner were the OLB

He didn't go into detail much but he did say he was gonna write an article on it so I'll see if I can find that & get more clarity

 

No

[AntonMcG]

So he is doing what every rush linebacker does on passing downs. Wow.  

[BleedBlu8792]

In a 3-4, the Nickel package is sometimes a 2-4-5

2 Defensive Linemen

4 Linebackers

5 Defensive Backs

Stephen Holder could've seen Jonathan in on plays where he was part of the 2 defensive linemen group & Erik Walden & Bejoern Werner were the OLB

He didn't go into detail much but he did say he was gonna write an article on it so I'll see if I can find that & get more clarity

2 of those "LB's" are down lineman to which they are no longer LB's.

[TKnight24]

2 of those "LB's" are down lineman to which they are no longer LB's.

True, but also depends who's system

2-4-5 the 49ers run, Aldon & Ahmad are still standing up

Some 3-4 systems the 2 OLB's do put their hands in the dirt. It's a lot of ways to do it. That's what makes the 3-4 so good & exciting to watch when ran properly. So many looks you can give

[Jason_]

So he is doing what every rush linebacker does on passing downs. Wow.

revolutionary stuff man. lol

Colts need to try to keep this from getting out lest other teams try to copycat.

[lollygagger8]

So now all the sudden Adongo will be a DE? 

 

They are just OLB playing DE rushing the QB. Last night I watched QVC, and LOL'd when they sold PCP.

 

Had to keep the abbreviations going.  

[Jason_]

@HolderStephen: Writing a story about progress of #Colts draft class. Told you about Moncrief. But also learned that Newsome taking some DE snaps in nickel

By golly I think Manusky is finally getting it!!!!!!!!! He's trying people at multiple positions, hopefully planning things for Robert Mathis' suspension

what is manusky "finally getting"? he's playing an edge rusher on the edge. that's not even football 101....that's football pre-k.

[BrentMc11]

Wait for pads and listen

Beat me to the punch....or hit

[BrentMc11]

what is manusky "finally getting"? he's playing an edge rusher on the edge. that's not even football 101....that's football pre-k.

Yeah...what is Newsome going to play....Nose Tackle?  All they got him for was to rush the edge...like Mathis in 2003.

[BleedBlu8792]

Yeah...what is Newsome going to play....Nose Tackle? All they got him for was to rush the edge...like Mathis in 2003.

Whoa... whoa... WHOOAAAAAAAAA

[BrentMc11]

Whoa... whoa... WHOOAAAAAAAAA

Whaaa?  Whaaa?  Whaa?  

[Jay Kirk]

Beat me to the punch....or hit

Not to mention Action Jackson is an inside thumper. 

[Jay Kirk]

Yeah...what is Newsome going to play....Nose Tackle?  All they got him for was to rush the edge...like Mathis in 2003.

[throwing BBZ]

@HolderStephen: Writing a story about progress of #Colts draft class. Told you about Moncrief. But also learned that Newsome taking some DE snaps in nickel

By golly I think Manusky is finally getting it!!!!!!!!! He's trying people at multiple positions, hopefully planning things for Robert Mathis' suspension

 

 Manusky/Pagano "finally getting it"?  chuckle

[BrentMc11]

 Manusky/Pagano "finally getting it"?  chuckle

These guys have been coaching longer than most on here have been alive....well...maybe not most.  I would love a demographic....Nadine?  Sup?  

[jvan1973]

Manusky/Pagano "finally getting it"? chuckle

I'm sure you are far more qualified.... chuckle

[BrentMc11]

I'm sure you are far more qualified.... chuckle

I played a football coach on TV

[Jay Kirk]

I played a football coach on TV

 

[Jay Kirk]

I played a football coach on TV

No but stayed at the Holliday Inn Express lastnight !

[Gavin]

Nothing out of the ordinary, Glad to hear he is doing well though

[throwing BBZ]

I'm sure you are far more qualified.... chuckle

 

As other posters made clear___ __, it is TK who "doesn`t get it"! Good grief!

[SteelCityColt]

Welcome to the meta when the topic itself has become the topic... .  

[throwing BBZ]

These guys have been coaching longer than most on here have been alive....well...maybe not most.  I would love a demographic....Nadine?  Sup?  

 

 Yes, that is what makes his "finally getting it" a JOKE. Duh, for the thickest... well, not here.

 

[BrentMc11]

 Yes, that is what makes his "finally getting it" a JOKE. Duh, for the thickest... well, not here.

 

[ProblChld32]

@HolderStephen: Writing a story about progress of #Colts draft class. Told you about Moncrief. But also learned that Newsome taking some DE snaps in nickel

By golly I think Manusky is finally getting it!!!!!!!!! He's trying people at multiple positions, hopefully planning things for Robert Mathis' suspension

 

If its a Nickel package im pretty sure he's still considered a OLB just has his hands in the dirt, correct me if im wrong.

[BrentMc11]

If its a Nickel package im pretty sure he's still considered a OLB just has his hands in the dirt, correct me if im wrong.

Either way they can disguise it as 4-3....or stay with the 3-4 hybrid..  It can actually change with a simple LB call at the line of scrimmage.

 

I am hoping we disguise a lot in Mathis' absence....gotta bring the heat.

 

Edit:

Edited June 19, 2014 by BrentMc11

[GOCOLTS_ROLLTIDE]

If it's in the nickel package it would make since. .. considering you add a cb and take out. The dt and nt..