Colts and Davis Not Close to a Deal

[MTC]

I'm disagreeing with most of you saying this is a "bad thing"

 

IMO, Davis tweeted the 24 hours for daylight savings time. 

 

I'm kidding.

[Drewbacca]

He did have 17 passes defensed, 4 pick...1 of which he returned for a td

 

He was targeted the most in the league.

[Colts_Fan12]

We can thank the stupid Dolphins for this. That stupid FO overpays for bad and old players. Causing all the really good and young players to ask for way more.

[Shive]

My only hope is that he wants to gauge his worth in FA as leverage for a deal with us. I think he genuinely wants to stay here

[BlueCollarColts]

Well hopefully we can resign him, though im about at 50/50 on if we are actually going to

[Dark Superman]

you think we are going after high priced FAs? Be honest

I don't know.. I'm not our GM. Lol.

[DoubleE Colt]

Quite a few people seem to be on Grigsons case about this. Maybe, just maybe Davis was prepared to reject any offer that was put to him because he wants to see what he can get in FA. Negotiations are a 2 way street.

[Colts_Fan12]

I don't know.. I'm not our GM. Lol.

I just don't see it happening. But if we do I will be VERY happy!!

[Gavin]

He was targeted the most in the league.

ya got #'s on that?

[Jaric]

Quite a few people seem to be on Grigsons case about this. Maybe, just maybe Davis was prepared to reject any offer that was put to him because he wants to see what he can get in FA. Negotiations are a 2 way street.

We also don't know what he's asking for. He could think he's Revis (16m a year). I think all of us want him here, but do you really want to pay 11, 12, maybe 13m a year for him?

[COLTS449]

If we signed Verner we would most likely change our Scheme from press man to zone coverage, so he's probably out of the question.

[Carl Dzienkiewicz]

colts should pursue verner one way or other

[Colts_Fan12]

colts should pursue verner one way or other

I thought he was a good sign but he don't fit or man coverage

[colts_100nascar17fan]

Let him walk if he wants shut down corner money,he is not anything close to a shut down. I wouldn't give him more than 5-6 mil year.

[DougDew]

Maybe he wants to play on SF, w/his brother, and was inclined to reject anything from the colts.

 

 

[Colts_Fan12]

Let him walk if he wants shut down corner money,he is not anything close to a shut down. I wouldn't give him more than 5-6 mil year.

ok whatever

[bavanlan]

Maybe he wants to play on SF, w/his brother, and was inclined to reject anything from the colts.

 

Or maybe we've agreed to let him test the market as long as we get a chance to match.

[GoColts8818]

Okay last time I said this about a player it turned out we signed Pat today so hopefully I have the same "luck" with this.

 

Colts fans better brace themselves for Davis leaving.  I have a feeling Grigson has figured out a dollar amount he thinks Davis is worth.  I think it's below the franchise tag level which is why I think Grigson didn't tag him.  I think Davis thinks he's worth more than that.  So I am guessing the two sides wont budge.  We'll see what happens when he hits the market.  If a team is willing to come up to what he wants he could very well be gone. 

[#BringBobBack]

hope we dont overpay him if so 8 mil a year is as high as i would go i would much rather tarell brown for cheaper still a solid corner who could start and be effective alongside a decent pass rush

[Slick_Rick]

So, what position do you think is more important that we improve? Since you think that CB is one that we can weaken and still get by?

LB, DL, Safety. My point is that I don't believe that Vontae is worth the amount of cap space he will take. He is too up and down right now. If we don't improve the pass rush, he is not going to be an elite CB anyway, why should he be paid like one? My point has been this whole time is that with an improved pass rush, flaws in the secondary can be covered. You don't need an elite CB to win a Super Bowl. We let Alex Smith put up 44 on us because we weren't able to rush the passer. Someone mentioned that we had the Sack leader in Mathis. Yea, that's great, but in games where he does get shut down a bit, our secondary Davis included is exploited.

[#BringBobBack]

LB, DL, Safety. My point is that I don't believe that Vontae is worth the amount of cap space he will take. He is too up and down right now. If we don't improve the pass rush, he is not going to be an elite CB anyway, why should he be paid like one? My point has been this whole time is that with an improved pass rush, flaws in the secondary can be covered. You don't need an elite CB to win a Super Bowl. We let Alex Smith put up 44 on us because we weren't able to rush the passer. Someone mentioned that we had the Sack leader in Mathis. Yea, that's great, but in games where he does get shut down a bit, our secondary Davis included is exploited.

this

[bestQBever]

apparently, Davis is looking for 8+ million a year  contract. And I don't mean 8 mill or greater, I mean greater than 8 mill. 

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5089/vontae-davis

[runthepost]

If he leaves

[runthepost]

5 years 45 to 55 million is what he wants

[jmac_48]

You can't fault the kid for seeing what market value he will bring.

He's young and in his prime, got a chance for his first big payday.

Maybe his only chance at the big bucks.

Why should he sell himself short?

Hopefully he will give the Colts the chance to match what the market says he is worth.

 

Really it is as simple as that.

[NewColtsFan]

5 years 45 to 55 million is what he wants

 

Is there a link for this, or is this your guess?

 

Just asking........

[runthepost]

Is there a link for this, or is this your guess?

Just asking........

He wants more than brent grimes who is geting 8 mil a year.. so its a guess of the range

[Drewbacca]

ya got #'s on that?

 

Rotoworld had a blurb about it...

 

" Williams graded out as Pro Football Focus' No. 92 corner out of 110 qualifiers in terms of coverage but was targeted the most times."

[SLILLINGTON10]

Denver just cut Champ Bailey and they are letting Decker go too. They could make room. So could the 49ers.

I don't think releasing Champ was a huge relief on their cap and i know Decker wasn't cause he was still in his rookie contract.... he was only paid like 700K last year. (i am aware i said only paid since that is still a whole lot of money) As for the 49ers i am not sure how close they are to the cap or what they are doing... just don't think of them as needing a corner they need more offense to get by Seattle.

[ColtsFTW]

I'm not sure sure what their rankings are exactly but just guessing would you rather have a top 5 safety as in Byrd or top 10 corner as in Davis? That may be the situation we find ourselves in.

Would people be happy with Byrd and Shields, assuming we could sign him? Could waiting until Sat backfire on Davis? As in the Colts get good indications they could get Byrd and Shields?

[azcolt]

Davis' history will surely scare some teams when considering a long term, big bucks contract offer. Maybe he has grown up but his history of dogging it in college and with the Fins can't help him out now.

[gacker65]

That's your perrogative. And that's fine, I'm just saying, you don't break the bank for a cb, when there are many other pressing needs. I never said that we would play with crappy corners. I will say that you don't win a Super Bowl without a pass rush. I mean, Vontae was on the field when Andre had 3 tds in the first half with Case Keenum throwing him the ball. A pass rush makes a bigger difference than you are letting on.

That says a lot about how bad your DBs are.

[pgt_rob]

I always loved how Vontae talks.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtED_cuAZ90

[Dark Superman]

Davis wants more then Grimes..

So give him a nickel more.

[Dark Superman]

I always loved how Vontae talks.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtED_cuAZ90

You mean his lisp..

[Beauregarde]

I don't think releasing Champ was a huge relief on their cap and i know Decker wasn't cause he was still in his rookie contract.... he was only paid like 700K last year. (i am aware i said only paid since that is still a whole lot of money) As for the 49ers i am not sure how close they are to the cap or what they are doing... just don't think of them as needing a corner they need more offense to get by Seattle.

I don't know what Champ was last year but he was going to be a big hit this year ($10 million). That is why he was cut. They are also going to let Moreno go although he was on his rookie contract too. Peyton will probably restructure his deal either this year or next year or possibly both years.

[bavanlan]

I'm not sure sure what their rankings are exactly but just guessing would you rather have a top 5 safety as in Byrd or top 10 corner as in Davis? That may be the situation we find ourselves in.

 

In this defense?  It's CB by a long-shot.  Doesn't have to be Davis.

[CS Colts Fan]

would Love the Byrd/Sheilds combo.. that would make us soo much better.. 

 

I agree that Grigson has a tipping point, but this one puzzles me in that he seems to continue to overpay for FA...  and then bring in our current draft situation with no #1 or #4 pick.... I'm sure they have a game plan ...time will tell...  if we loose him it will be interesting ti see why... I don't think he is a top 5 corner and that seems to be the money he is looking for... 

[SLILLINGTON10]

I don't know what Champ was last year but he was going to be a big hit this year ($10 million). That is why he was cut. They are also going to let Moreno go although he was on his rookie contract too. Peyton will probably restructure his deal either this year or next year or possibly both years.

You are correct, for some reason i thought Champ's cap relief was only 1 million... i guess i missed a zero.

[Iancolts]

Byrd and shield would be a nice combo