Colts Major Additions/Losses per PFF

[TKnight24]

 

 

[Albaby]

4 minutes ago, TKnight24 said:

 

 

I'm cautiously optimistic this year.

[21isSuperman]

The loss of Adams will hurt.  He played well and was a good leader.  However, he was getting up there in age and we have a young and very promising talent to take his place in Hooker.

[nburgmei]

Obviously a little punter prejudice in there.

[life long]

10 hours ago, 21isSuperman said:

The loss of Adams will hurt.  He played well and was a good leader.  However, he was getting up there in age and we have a young and very promising talent to take his place in Hooker.

While I agree on Adams value last year, I think Butler showed he was more suited for FS than Adams. Adams was more of a hybrid, than a true FS IMO. I like the quote I recently read here along the lines of, we finally have the body types across the board for our 3-4 defense. If Hooker is not ready week 1 to start, I feel good about D-Buts back there....If his body can hold up. He gets hurt trying to blow people up sometimes.

[akcolt]

11 hours ago, nburgmei said:

Obviously a little punter prejudice in there.

The chart is amusing. Pat isn't listed but DQ and Allen are considered losses? Simon and Hank aren't listed as additions? Those are the 2 guys I think make the biggest impact.

 

McAffe is easily the biggest loss of the off season. It's not close. He was one of the best players on the team and one of the biggest special teams weapons in the league. He could change a game with an onside kick. He had the arm to pull off a fake punt. 

 

He handled kickoff duties. He was Adam's holder and back up. Oh and the best punter in the AFC if not the league. The guys going to be very difficult to replace. That's without taking into account his presence in the locker room. He was only 29 coming off his best season as a pro.  Huge loss  

 

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[HOZER]

13 minutes ago, akcolt said:

The chart is amusing. Pat isn't listed but DQ and Allen are considered losses? Simon and Hank aren't listed as additions? Those are the 2 guys I think make the biggest impact.

 

McAffe is easily the biggest loss of the off season. It's not close. He was one of the best players on the team and one of the biggest special teams weapons in the league. He could change a game with an onside kick. He had the arm to pull off a fake punt. 

 

He handled kickoff duties. He was Adam's holder and back up. Oh and the best punter in the AFC if not the league. The guys going to be very difficult to replace. That's without taking into account his presence in the locker room. He was only 29 coming off his best season as a pro.  Huge loss  

 

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[bababooey]

Replace Jackson with McAfee and replace Aiken with with Hankins.

[MTC]

13 hours ago, TKnight24 said:

 

 

 

Surprised PFF doesn't have GM grades. 

[jameszeigler834]

13 hours ago, 21isSuperman said:

The loss of Adams will hurt.  He played well and was a good leader.  However, he was getting up there in age and we have a young and very promising talent to take his place in Hooker.

We will be fine Adams was decent at best Hooker is a way better player in my opinion.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

1 hour ago, akcolt said:

The chart is amusing. Pat isn't listed but DQ and Allen are considered losses? Simon and Hank aren't listed as additions? Those are the 2 guys I think make the biggest impact.

 

McAffe is easily the biggest loss of the off season. It's not close. He was one of the best players on the team and one of the biggest special teams weapons in the league. He could change a game with an onside kick. He had the arm to pull off a fake punt. 

 

He handled kickoff duties. He was Adam's holder and back up. Oh and the best punter in the AFC if not the league. The guys going to be very difficult to replace. That's without taking into account his presence in the locker room. He was only 29 coming off his best season as a pro.  Huge loss  

 

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We were pretty good before McAfee came along, and I think we'll be fine without him. Even if our new punter is average, it shouldn't be an issue.

[BR-549]

14 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

We were pretty good before McAfee came along, and I think we'll be fine without him. Even if our new punter is average, it shouldn't be an issue.

That is kinda my thoughts too..... although I bet we don't see our punter lay the wood on a returner again to save a TD.  Or the really well executed fake punts that we witnessed.  Pat was an athlete and he will be missed for sure, but I don't know about the biggest loss idea.  

[Steamboat_Shaun]

Just now, BR-549 said:

That is kinda my thoughts too..... although I bet we don't see our punter lay the wood on a returner again to save a TD.  Or the really well executed fake punts that we witnessed.  Pat was an athlete and he will be missed for sure, but I don't know about the biggest loss idea.  

 

Honestly, now that I think about it, most of the players we "lost" kind of sucked, so he actually may have been the best one of the group haha.

[lollygagger8]

Letting Grigson go was addition by subtraction so much, if that chart was a scale, it would've tipped over. 

[akcolt]

7 hours ago, BR-549 said:

That is kinda my thoughts too..... although I bet we don't see our punter lay the wood on a returner again to save a TD.  Or the really well executed fake punts that we witnessed.  Pat was an athlete and he will be missed for sure, but I don't know about the biggest loss idea.  

Then who? Allen or DQ?  I don't see it. I guess you could argue Walden. Pat was a 2 time pro bowler coming off the best year of his career.  I don't think he was fully appreciated because our D sucked. If we needed a boomer to flip the field or touch to pin them back McAffe got it done. 

 

He was on of the best punters, top kick off specialists, and holders in the league. Can you think of another punter who showed up in so many highlights?  Teams had to respect fakes because of his athletic ability. He did a lot of things for us. He's the only guy we lost I'm even remotely upset about. Maybe I'm missing something. 

[BR-549]

13 hours ago, akcolt said:

Then who? Allen or DQ?  I don't see it. I guess you could argue Walden. Pat was a 2 time pro bowler coming off the best year of his career.  I don't think he was fully appreciated because our D sucked. If we needed a boomer to flip the field or touch to pin them back McAffe got it done. 

 

He was on of the best punters, top kick off specialists, and holders in the league. Can you think of another punter who showed up in so many highlights?  Teams had to respect fakes because of his athletic ability. He did a lot of things for us. He's the only guy we lost I'm even remotely upset about. Maybe I'm missing something. 

I agree man... yeah he was a hell of a gamer.... I just said I don't know about the biggest loss, maybe he is.  I like Pat and I had an ill feeling in my stomach when he retired.  He is not easily replaced as an athlete, but I might argue that a punter, as in position, is replaceable... I guess that was my point, not so much Pat.

 

And no, not Allen or DQ for sure.

[akcolt]

13 hours ago, BR-549 said:

I agree man... yeah he was a hell of a gamer.... I just said I don't know about the biggest loss, maybe he is.  I like Pat and I had an ill feeling in my stomach when he retired.  He is not easily replaced as an athlete, but I might argue that a punter, as in position, is replaceable... I guess that was my point, not so much Pat.

 

And no, not Allen or DQ for sure.

I'm not trying to be argumentative I don't think Pat is aa easy to replace but that's me. I really wanted to know who you thought it was if not Pat. The only player I can think of that we lost that I would like to see back is McAffe. 

[AZColt11]

How can Hankins not be listed there?

[BR-549]

7 hours ago, akcolt said:

I'm not trying to be argumentative I don't think Pat is aa easy to replace but that's me. I really wanted to know who you thought it was if not Pat. The only player I can think of that we lost that I would like to see back is McAffe. 

without a doubt...

I didn't think you were being argumentative at all.  It was a legitimate question.  Its Pat, I only mean that the position is easily filled, not what Pat brought to the team.... two different things.

[crazycolt1]

On ‎6‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 10:41 AM, akcolt said:

The chart is amusing. Pat isn't listed but DQ and Allen are considered losses? Simon and Hank aren't listed as additions? Those are the 2 guys I think make the biggest impact.

 

McAffe is easily the biggest loss of the off season. It's not close. He was one of the best players on the team and one of the biggest special teams weapons in the league. He could change a game with an onside kick. He had the arm to pull off a fake punt. 

 

He handled kickoff duties. He was Adam's holder and back up. Oh and the best punter in the AFC if not the league. The guys going to be very difficult to replace. That's without taking into account his presence in the locker room. He was only 29 coming off his best season as a pro.  Huge loss  

 

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I think Pat was the best all around punter but the best punter as far as kicking is Johnny Hekke and has been for a while.

[Peterk2011]

On 2017. 06. 16. at 6:26 PM, BR-549 said:

That is kinda my thoughts too..... although I bet we don't see our punter lay the wood on a returner again to save a TD.  Or the really well executed fake punts that we witnessed.  Pat was an athlete and he will be missed for sure, but I don't know about the biggest loss idea.  

 

It's not just his blocks, but his punts. We will miss those 60 yarders inside opponent's 15, when the team started slow, the offense couldn't get a single 1st down, and they had to punt from their own 10 yarder. He was the best punter i remember i've ever seen. (I bet there were others, I just didn't give as much attention as i've been givin ever since Pat arrived. Anyway, he was kinda a face of the franchise, which is a bit strange but also a cool thing. He better be a heckuva standup comedist otherwise i'll be angry with him giving it up so early lol.)

 

17 hours ago, AZColt11 said:

How can Hankins not be listed there?

 

Yeah, it's funny. What's even funnier is that Hankins had worse pff rating in 2016 than Aiken had. Hankins ranking was 46 or something like that, one of the worst rating of all interior linemen. Perhaps that's the reason they didn't include him there. Of course Hankins is way better than that, even if he's not a Damon Harrison. (Pff has a tendency to overlook certain types of players. I guess they don't give as much attention to certain aspects of the game as to other aspects, and those who's strengths are in the former, fall down their list. I remember Derek Wolfe was one of the worst interior lineman for years according to their ratings. He gets better recognition lately, but he's still nowhere near to where he's supposed to be. )

[HOF19]

I just noticed that the Colts seem to be carrying less RB's (6 ) on their 90 man roster compared to other teams (20-21 teams per Ourlads depth chart website carrying 7 or more)...To me that does not give us a lot of choices depth wise....But maybe that's just me.....GO COLTS !!!!!

[akcolt]

1 hour ago, HOF19 said:

I just noticed that the Colts seem to be carrying less RB's (6 ) on their 90 man roster compared to other teams (20-21 teams per Ourlads depth chart website carrying 7 or more)...To me that does not give us a lot of choices depth wise....But maybe that's just me.....GO COLTS !!!!!

I'm thinking that has to do with us having so many players on D. We are 4 deep at every position.  We know Gore Turbin and Mack are on the roster. Ferguson Crossan and Pope fight for the last spot. I don't think it's an issue. 

 

RB is a plug and play position. There will be help there if we need it after cuts. Look for the Seahawks cuts. Did you see their RB's? Lacy Rawls Prosise Collins Davis Carsons that's all I can remember but there are a bunch more  

[GoColts8818]

On 6/15/2017 at 10:44 PM, 21isSuperman said:

The loss of Adams will hurt.  He played well and was a good leader.  However, he was getting up there in age and we have a young and very promising talent to take his place in Hooker.

This is true expect last year Adams wasn't as good as he has been in the past.  I think they will miss his leadership and experience more than his play based on last year.  Doesn't mean Mike wasn't great before that.  He might very well be Grigson's best free agent pick up and played extremely well until last year when it looked like age finally caught up to him.

[GoColts8818]

On 6/18/2017 at 5:38 PM, HOF19 said:

I just noticed that the Colts seem to be carrying less RB's (6 ) on their 90 man roster compared to other teams (20-21 teams per Ourlads depth chart website carrying 7 or more)...To me that does not give us a lot of choices depth wise....But maybe that's just me.....GO COLTS !!!!!

They know who their top two guys are, Gore and Turbin.  Everyone else is fighting for one maybe two spots if they can play special teams well.  They don't not need five bodies to find that one guy, especially when you also drafted a running back.

[AZColt11]

On 6/18/2017 at 5:18 PM, Peterk2011 said:

 

It's not just his blocks, but his punts. We will miss those 60 yarders inside opponent's 15, when the team started slow, the offense couldn't get a single 1st down, and they had to punt from their own 10 yarder. He was the best punter i remember i've ever seen. (I bet there were others, I just didn't give as much attention as i've been givin ever since Pat arrived. Anyway, he was kinda a face of the franchise, which is a bit strange but also a cool thing. He better be a heckuva standup comedist otherwise i'll be angry with him giving it up so early lol.)

 

 

Yeah, it's funny. What's even funnier is that Hankins had worse pff rating in 2016 than Aiken had. Hankins ranking was 46 or something like that, one of the worst rating of all interior linemen. Perhaps that's the reason they didn't include him there. Of course Hankins is way better than that, even if he's not a Damon Harrison. (Pff has a tendency to overlook certain types of players. I guess they don't give as much attention to certain aspects of the game as to other aspects, and those who's strengths are in the former, fall down their list. I remember Derek Wolfe was one of the worst interior lineman for years according to their ratings. He gets better recognition lately, but he's still nowhere near to where he's supposed to be. )

I understand they didn't have him rated high last year, but the man has loads of talent, is only 25, and we gave him good money to come here on his potential.  And he may just be our best defensive lineman.  And most publications I saw had him rated as one of the best FA's.  I would say that qualifies as a major signing.  No idea why they would not include him and it seems like maybe they didn't do all their homework.

[jet1968]

On 6/16/2017 at 10:54 AM, MTC said:

 

Surprised PFF doesn't have GM grades. 

Doesnt have a grade but has Grigson in the major loss column. My interest was gone as soon as I saw that.

[bananabucket]

Man they're really uninformed 

[HOF19]

Just watched a replay of a game between South Florida and Univ of Cinn.....Liked what I saw in Marlon Mack a lot.......GO COLTS !

[Peterk2011]

21 hours ago, AZColt11 said:

I understand they didn't have him rated high last year, but the man has loads of talent, is only 25, and we gave him good money to come here on his potential.  And he may just be our best defensive lineman.  And most publications I saw had him rated as one of the best FA's.  I would say that qualifies as a major signing.  No idea why they would not include him and it seems like maybe they didn't do all their homework.

 

They actually included him in the GIant's losses, so you might be right about that the one who wrote the Colts article, indeed didn't.

[superrep1967]

On 6/15/2017 at 10:44 PM, 21isSuperman said:

The loss of Adams will hurt.  He played well and was a good leader.  However, he was getting up there in age and we have a young and very promising talent to take his place in Hooker.

Yes, we needed to get younger and that's another thing I love about Ballard.