Bell to the Colts? (Article/Rumour)

[aaron11]

i dont think that 10 million in salary is a big deal to anyone right now.  thats actually a pretty good deal for the team that gets him 

[jvan1973]

3 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:

 

Also from Washington Post

 

Teams can only use the franchise tag once every off-season, and it only guarantees a player's salary for the following year. A player can be tagged up to three times by their team. Teams are also allowed to rescind the franchise or transition tag, allowing that player to become a free agent.  Article written - Feb 15, 2018

My goodness dude.  Look up the July tag deadline.   He can't get a new contract until the season is over

 

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/7/13/17536782/nfl-franchise-tag-july-2018-deadline-extension-leveon-bell-ezekiel-ansah

[DraftMaster]

10 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

My goodness dude.  Look up the July tag deadline.   He can't get a new contract until the season is over

 

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/7/13/17536782/nfl-franchise-tag-july-2018-deadline-extension-leveon-bell-ezekiel-ansah

So what would it take for him to show up for the Steelers? Could they promise him the contract? IDK, but it seems like Bell is done in Pitt.

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, DraftMaster said:

So what would it take for him to show up for the Steelers? Could they promise him the contract? IDK, but it seems like Bell is done in Pitt.

I agree with that.   I also think he will get traded.   He just won't be able to sign a new contract this year. 

[aaron11]

Just now, DraftMaster said:

So what would it take for him to show up for the Steelers? Could they promise him the contract?

they can, but it would not be official or anything.  if he gets hurt or something then bets are off

 

a team like the colts would need the steelers permission to talk to bell about a contract but they would probably give it in this situation 

[MarquisJ]

Bell would help us a lot 

[csmopar]

1 hour ago, richard pallo said:

If " Schefty" says they're now taking offers I expect this trade to happen this week.  

I just saw this. I'll be curious to see what transpires but I doubt we land him

1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:

But the new contract can't be signed this year

no, but i think they can sign an agreement to a contract.

33 minutes ago, ColtV said:

If Pittsburgh doesn't trade him, they'll certainly get a compensatory pick in 2020 equal to at least a 3rd round pick, so the baseline offer would need to exceed that

I don't think they give 1st or 2nd round comp picks. 

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, csmopar said:

I just saw this. I'll be curious to see what transpires but I doubt we land him

no, but i think they can sign an agreement to a contract.

I don't think they give 1st or 2nd round comp picks. 

Maybe they could sign an agreement,  but it wouldn't mean anything.   If he tears his ACL no team is going to give him anywhere close to what he is asking for

[csmopar]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

Maybe they could sign an agreement,  but it wouldn't mean anything.   If he tears his ACL no team is going to give him anywhere close to what he is asking for

yep. That's why I don't see any team really giving a 2 for him, unless its conditional.

[DraftMaster]

3 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

I agree with that.   I also think he will get traded.   He just won't be able to sign a new contract this year. 

To where?

 

Odds:

 

PIT +150
IND/GB +500
TEN/HOU +600
SF/DAL +700
NYJ/SEA +800
WSH +800
ARI/TB +1000
CLE +1000
Field +800

 

When is the 2018 trade deadline?

[w87r]

Colts 3rd round pick > 3rd round comp

+ 

Marlon Mack

 

Lets get it done

[DraftMaster]

Just now, w87r said:

Colts 3rd round pick > 3rd round comp

+ 

Marlon Mack

 

Lets get it done

But they like James Conner. Add on a 7th instead. Remember they save over 10 million in cap space dealing Bell, so that's more incentive to deal him. 

[w87r]

20 minutes ago, DraftMaster said:

So what would it take for him to show up for the Steelers? Could they promise him the contract? IDK, but it seems like Bell is done in Pitt.

Something I've heard was the Steelers could offer to pay him his salary of all the games he sets out.

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, w87r said:

Something I've heard was the Steelers could offer to pay him his salary of all the games he sets out.

Why would they?

[w87r]

2 minutes ago, DraftMaster said:

But they like James Conner. Add on a 7th instead. Remember they save over 10 million in cap space dealing Bell, so that's more incentive to deal him. 

As has been stated, that $10m doesn't mean anything to the Steelers right now. Who would they spend it on?

 

The divided locker room is more of the reason to go ahead and move him.

 

Mack would be good complement to Conner as well.

[csmopar]

13 minutes ago, DraftMaster said:

To where?

 

Odds:

 

PIT +150
IND/GB +500
TEN/HOU +600
SF/DAL +700
NYJ/SEA +800
WSH +800
ARI/TB +1000
CLE +1000
Field +800

 

When is the 2018 trade deadline?

and you have these odds from?

[w87r]

3 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Why would they?

Obviously they don't want to, but that is what Bell is requesting they do for him to return.

 

I will see if I can find the source.

[jvan1973]

Just now, w87r said:

Obviously they don't want to, but that is what Bell is requesting they do for him to return.

 

I will see if I can find the source.

I believe you,   I just don't know why they would do it

[w87r]

I read this before they announced they were ready to move on from him.

 

It would of been a way to entice him back if they wanted him.

 

I'm sure that would further divide locked room though.

[Nate!]

If they trade him can only imagine will be pennies on the dollar. Maybe a 4th round pick.  Season already going so value of him keeps dropping by the day.  Also, can get him next year without giving up nothing. Also, he’s a running back.

[adamthyst]

No thanks. I don't want that problem on Indy's team. I wouldn't have paid him either.

[#12.]

If you're gonna do it, do it now and get nearly a full season out of him at 26.  

 

Hard to predict how long an NFL runner will last, but if you can get 5-6 good seasons, go for it. 

 

A huge positive in his favor - it seems he would actually like to be a Colt, as opposed to all the free agents and the head coach who turned Balllard down over the past two years.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

1 hour ago, csmopar said:

and you have these odds from?

 

They're on bovada.com.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

 

Looks like the Jets have already reached out.

[DraftMaster]

Other odds coming from oddshark:

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2797375-leveon-bell-odds-steelers-colts-favored-as-landing-spots-after-trade-deadline

 

Steelers -220

Colts +400

Jets +550

Browns +600

Texans +700 

 

So the Colts are the highest favored team besides the Steelers to have Bell before the deadline right now.

2 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

Looks like the Jets have already reached out.

Wow, let's hope we do the same...

[Coltsman1788]

I don’t see Ballard seriously pursuing him.  Jets may indeed end up with him if he leaves Pittsburgh. N.Y. is a city that is always about making the big splash.  

[DraftMaster]

Some Bell comments on NYJ in February:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/leveon-bell-tweets-that-60-million-aint-enough-to-come-run-with-the-jets/

 

"60 million ain't enough to come run for the Jets"

 

Maybe he changed his mind? He has to agree with the trade too right?

[Coltsman1788]

1 hour ago, w87r said:

Colts 3rd round pick > 3rd round comp

+ 

Marlon Mack

 

Lets get it done

Why would Pittsburgh be enticed by Mack? He is hurt more times than not. 

[w87r]

25 minutes ago, Coltsman1788 said:

Why would Pittsburgh be enticed by Mack? He is hurt more times than not. 

Really just a toss in to give trade a little extra value and another back for depth.

 

I agree though on him being hurt to much.

[ColtsBlueFL]

4 hours ago, richard pallo said:

If " Schefty" says they're now taking offers I expect this trade to happen this week.  

 

Maybe, but I fail to see the reason the Steelers are time pressed into getting a deal done.  It cost them no money right now (yes, they even get the cap space back as well each week!) and they can't cash in a draft pick until next year.

 

4 hours ago, Indy1996 said:

No he doesn't he can holdout however long he wants it was the same deal with the texans tackle last year he did the same stuff until he got traded

 

If he holds out past week 10, he cannot return this year and he does not get an accrued season.  Steelers could then be vindictive and put the Exclusive Franchise tag on him again then @120% next year.

 

4 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

If he doesn't show up by week 10, he doesn't get an accrued season.   Then the Steelers can tag him again next year

 

Nor play this year.

 

3 hours ago, MikeCurtis said:

I humbly disagree

 

If both parties agree to cancel contract, the contract can be canceled and replaced

 

Like all other NFL rules, the Franchise Tags,  rules and deadlines are there for a reason.  Teams just can't arbitrarily and mutually agree to trash/disregard them. As pointed out, the July 15 2018 deadline passed, and the tag/contract (what's left of it) tender is frozen.

 

3 hours ago, Smoke317 said:

I'd give them a 5th or a 6th.  Some kind of trade similar to what the Pats gave the Browns for Gordon.  Not going any higher for a guy that we can sign as a free agent next year anyway...  But we sure could use him in this offense.

 

Steelers have no incentive to just  'unload him'.  Each week that Bell doesn't sign the tender and misses games, the Steelers save about $855,000 in both cash and cap space.  Bell has to show up for week 10, or he can be exclusive tagged again at 120% pay (14.5 million), not the 140% the usual 3 tags cost.

 

Or, the Steelers can non exclusive franchise tag him next year, let other teams negotiate/set the value.  Then they can match and keep him if desired. But as bad as this seems tpo b e going, I doubt they want to do that.

 

[richard pallo]

1 hour ago, DraftMaster said:

Other odds coming from oddshark:

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2797375-leveon-bell-odds-steelers-colts-favored-as-landing-spots-after-trade-deadline

 

Steelers -220

Colts +400

Jets +550

Browns +600

Texans +700 

 

So the Colts are the highest favored team besides the Steelers to have Bell before the deadline right now.

Wow, let's hope we do the same...

Shefty has already reported we are one of the teams that has already reached out to the Steelers.  I can see Ballard talking with them but I don't see him doing a trade.  I hope I'm wrong but so far Ballard has been all talk and no action on any major FA signings or reported trade talks.  He thought the price for Mack was to high but the Bears are in 1st. place and Mack is balling.  The price for Bell is very affordable for the Colts.  No excuses IMO.  Bell is the missing piece to our offense and helps us get into the playoffs and therefore makes us SB contenders.   Winners who knows but contenders for sure.  Let's get into the tournament. 

[Yoshinator]

If we trade a 4th round pick or lower to get him and re-sign him to a long term deal, I'm fine with it. Anything else, and we are probably getting ripped off. I already can't stand his attitude, and it can rub off the wrong way on such a young locker room. This is a high character locker room, and I would hate for it to be contaminated by Leveon Bell if he is going to act this way. 

[DraftMaster]

BTW I just realized the Jets don't have a second rounder. So a second would definitely get it done IMO.

[DraftMaster]

Also if we put down a 3rd and Bell leaves don't we get a compensatory 3rd?

[jvan1973]

Just now, DraftMaster said:

Also if we put down a 3rd and Bell leaves don't we get a compensatory 3rd?

 That's a great question actually.   I don't know

[Coltsman1788]

Watch him end up in New England somehow. 

[Btown_Colt]

4 minutes ago, Coltsman1788 said:

Watch him end up in New England somehow. 

Ya, I don’t see Pittsburgh trading him to New England.

[richard pallo]

We signed a CB today and released Christine Michael a RB.   Coincidental we released a RB?  Maybe or Maybe not. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

No matter what people think of Bell, If we had him we would be 3-0 right now IMO. Our Red Zone problems wouldn't be an issue because he can run and catch with the best of them. In the Red Zone, teams would have to worry about him like crazy.

[NewColtsFan]

46 minutes ago, DraftMaster said:

BTW I just realized the Jets don't have a second rounder. So a second would definitely get it done IMO.

 

The Jets don't have their second rounder because the Colts OWN the Jets 2nd rounder.

 

It's part of the trade back we made with the Jets in April.   Remember our trade back from 3 to 6. We got three 2nd round picks.    The Jets 2019 2nd rounder is the last part of the payoff.