Chubb or Barkley at #3?

[jshipp23]

1 minute ago, krunk said:

Yeah but you didn't know that until he got in the league.   Ricky Williams was spotless coming out of college as far as I know.  But he won't be in the Hall of Fame.    I do think Barkley will be very good and I really won't be upset if we take him.  However I think Chubb is very good as well.   I think he's better than Key.   Problem is I don't think Key will be there by the time we hit the second round.   I think Key is every bit as good as Leonard Floyd and he went high in the 1st round.   I can't see Key going in the Round 2.  I think he goes in Round 1.   But thats just my opinion.

Yeah..I think Chubb is  better all around as far as being a  RUN stopper too...If we want pure pass rusher gamechanging guy I think KEY HAS very high ceiling if his character checks out...Chubb is a safer pick, but Key is that high risk high reward guy..Freeney and Mathis weren't known for run stopping ability and both will be in HOF...

[Ryan43]

1 hour ago, Fisticuffs111 said:

Wow. I meant to vote for Chubb but quickly pressed Barkley thinking it was "Bradley." Anyways, I'd be fine with either. The arguments are valid on both sides but I lean toward the arguments for taking Chubb.

Personally though I'm hoping for an insane trade down offer. I really like this crop of 1st and 2nd round prospects, not to mention the running back prospects in the mid rounds.

I still think it's very possible the Browns take Barkley and #1 and get their QB at #4, but who knows.

 

I can see the Browns doing that as well.  Especially if they’re fine with whatever QB will be there at number 4.

[mahagga73]

2 minutes ago, Ryan43 said:

 

I can see the Browns doing that as well.  Especially if they’re fine with whatever QB will be there at number 4.

If Eli is coming back it might be the Giants.  

[jshipp23]

2 minutes ago, Ryan43 said:

 

I can see the Browns doing that as well.  Especially if they’re fine with whatever QB will be there at number 4.

If they are smart they will..They have the $$$ to get Cousins and build around him without the risk of drafting another QB early and chance of him busting..Barkley and Fitzpatrick would be a good start and lead to significant improvement. .I lived in Cleveland 6 years, let me tell you, 20+ mph winds and blistering cold is the norm there..You gotta build your team according to that and run the ball..

[Fisticuffs111]

34 minutes ago, mahagga73 said:

If Eli is coming back it might be the Giants.  

True. I won't be surprised at all if either the Browns/Giants take him.

[Mr.NotSoCreative]

3 hours ago, krunk said:

What Guarantees Barkley to Be a Superstar anymore than Chubb other than your or my opinions?  You are pegging that guy for the hall of fame before he even gets here.   There's guys like this every year and it don't always work out that way.

I agree with this. Dude got shut down by a few good defenses. His stats were skewed as all purpose yards because he is a tremendous kick returner as well. I also witnessed first hand Chubb being owned by the NFL calibre offensive line of Notre Dame. I heard his name twice. 1 sack the other was announcing his name before the game as a starter. If Barkley is as great as everyone is claiming, he wouldnt have fallen off of the heisman map. He is really dang good, just not sure he is rookie of the year, mvp, whatever. Im holding my stance at trading back to get Nelson.im not totally opposed to Chubb, I just remember the hype last year about Garrett. 7 sacks is not acceptible imo as top defender taken in draft. 

[#12.]

If they are equal, you go Chubb.  If you believe Barkley is special while Chubb might be good-to-very good, go Barkley.  If you have a chance to land a special player, do it. 

 

McDaniels + Barkley could potentially make Luck's life so much easier. 

[jshipp23]

They aren't close to equal..Smart post..

[jshipp23]

I never heard of Chubb until recently. .Barkley was best player in cfb last yr and this yr..

[BOTT]

17 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

When it comes to Barkley most think he is a once in a lifetime generational RB like a Barry or Bo or Dickerson. I do, so if we Draft Chubb I expect 10 Sacks. Freeney had 13 his Rookie Season. If we Draft Chubb and he only has 3 or 4 Sacks I don't want to hear the excuses. I will guarantee Barkley will go for 1200+ Yards and catch around 40 passes. If Chubb gets 10+ Sacks then I will say we made the right choice by choosing him.

Barkley would improve the more than Chubb next season, but drafting a stud defensive player will be a huge building block in building a championship team.

[OLD FAN MAN]

3 hours ago, ND Irish said:

I agree with this. Dude got shut down by a few good defenses. His stats were skewed as all purpose yards because he is a tremendous kick returner as well. I also witnessed first hand Chubb being owned by the NFL calibre offensive line of Notre Dame. I heard his name twice. 1 sack the other was announcing his name before the game as a starter. If Barkley is as great as everyone is claiming, he wouldnt have fallen off of the heisman map. He is really dang good, just not sure he is rookie of the year, mvp, whatever. Im holding my stance at trading back to get Nelson.im not totally opposed to Chubb, I just remember the hype last year about Garrett. 7 sacks is not acceptible imo as top defender taken in draft. 

hard for pass rushers and ol  guards to start first year most take a while to develop, with a first pick we need a player who can start day one

[2006Coltsbestever]

8 hours ago, BOTT said:

Barkley would improve the more than Chubb next season, but drafting a stud defensive player will be a huge building block in building a championship team.

Actually if we take Chubb at #3 I wont be upset. I think he has the potential to be Great, I just really like Barkley. Believe me I would love for us to build a dominant Defense.

[Str8himalaya]

From the sounds of it, the Giants are committed to E. Manning. Does this mean they won't draft a QB at #2? Maybe not, but I have a feeling they might go with Barkley and look QB later rounds or potentially let it ride this year and look next year through FA or the draft. I'm still not sold on Barkley at 3, at all really. Great player, but I'm looking for players that will add more wins to our roster, and in those terms I don't think Barkley adds as much as some of the other options. I'm even warming up to the idea of trading down and getting Nelson, Fitzpatrick (at CB), or even Roquan Smith (depending on how far we trade down). If a top QB is still on the board, we could pull in a very nice return and still get an impact player with the potential of getting more chances at an impact player in round 2, 3, and 4. A lot of options, but RB at #3 is still one I'm not a fan of.

[Superman]

20 hours ago, jshipp23 said:

I never heard of Chubb until recently. .Barkley was best player in cfb last yr and this yr..

 

Best player in college this year was Mayfield. Best player last year, for my money, was Christian McCaffrey. And the year before. 

 

Barkley is great, don't get me wrong, it's just his legend is beginning to be outsized at this point. 

[ColtStrong]

On 1/26/2018 at 1:30 PM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I know you are being sarcastic but anyone that has watched Barkley play knows he will be Great. Anyone that has watched Chubb still has questions. Do you see Dwight Freeney in Chubb? I don't, I see Marshall Faulk on steroids in Barkley.

Well said. Someone said earlier that guys like Barkley can be found in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Wow. No comment needed.

 

Anyone who has seen Barkley play is simply amazed by him. A player of this level cannot be passed on. He will make you pay for years to come for passing on him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go at #2 to the Giants. Then Chubb basically becomes a no-brainer.

[esmort]

26 minutes ago, ColtStrong said:

Well said. Someone said earlier that guys like Barkley can be found in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Wow. No comment needed.

 

Anyone who has seen Barkley play is simply amazed by him. A player of this level cannot be passed on. He will make you pay for years to come for passing on him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go at #2 to the Giants. Then Chubb basically becomes a no-brainer.

 

Hopefully he does.

[2006Coltsbestever]

37 minutes ago, ColtStrong said:

Well said. Someone said earlier that guys like Barkley can be found in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Wow. No comment needed.

 

Anyone who has seen Barkley play is simply amazed by him. A player of this level cannot be passed on. He will make you pay for years to come for passing on him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go at #2 to the Giants. Then Chubb basically becomes a no-brainer.

I agree. I will be all for taking Chubb if Barkley is gone. The big mystery is what will the Browns and Giants do? Giants may take a QB because they might not pick this high again and will need an eventual replacement for Eli. Browns may take a QB as well to make sure they get the one they want at #1.

[1959Colts]

Denver may be in the mix to trade?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/28/john-elway-we-have-the-draft-ammo-to-make-a-trade/

[1959Colts]

Baker Mayfield may go number 1?

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/28/chatter-commences-of-baker-mayfield-to-the-browns-at-no-1/

[Fisticuffs111]

Benjamin Allbright, the somewhat unreliable guy who said "Toub is at the top of the Colts list" barely a month ago, said that Barkley isn't going in the top 7. 

 

 

 

 

 

Just figured I'd post this here, even though I'm starting to think this is the type of reporter who's fed whatever teams want to be outed.

[Mr.NotSoCreative]

28 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

Baker Mayfield may go number 1?

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/28/chatter-commences-of-baker-mayfield-to-the-browns-at-no-1/

Imo this could go Jonny Manziel or Drew Brees. Said it before though that Darnold and Rosen are busteriffic so...

[coltsfeva]

Would love to see a trade down, grab Chubb at 6 and Sony Michel in the 2nd. 

 

http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php

[JColts72]

If Giants take Barkley at 2, then Chubb at 3 obviously. If Giants take QB at 2, then Barkley.

[NDcolt]

On 1/22/2018 at 3:52 AM, ClaytonColt said:

Nobody was drafted #3 but Fletcher Cox was taken #12 and he's a pretty good individual to build around.

 

However you're quite right that it's about more than just 1 pick so let's just look at how they're built compared to us.

 

Since 2010 they've spent 10 first or second round picks out of 16 (62.5%) on the defensive side of the ball. 

 

Since 2011 we've spent 4 high picks out of 12 (33%) on that side of the ball.  

 

The Eagles have committed to building a team of talented defenders. As have most of the successful teams in the league but we keep trying to build an offensive juggernaut.

 

We have to stop and follow what makes other teams successful and that sure as hell isn't taking a running back at #3 when our defense is so neglected and starved of talent regardless of how "generational" he may be.

Perfect thank you, I just placed a $10,000 bet on the Eagles to stop Tom Brady in the SB!  Can’t wait to reap my profits because the Eagles spent their draft on Defense.  I’m not worried one bit that Josh Mcdaniels or Tom Brady will exploit the 10 guys the Eagles drafted in the 1st or 2nd rd since 2010.  NOPE, confident as hell so let’s bet the FARM.  Let’s see if your strategy holds water, if it does I will be the first to congratulate you.

[NDcolt]

2 minutes ago, NDcolt said:

Perfect thank you, I just placed a $10,000 bet on the Eagles to stop Tom Brady in the SB!  Can’t wait to reap my profits because the Eagles spent their draft on Defense.  I’m not worried one bit that Josh Mcdaniels or Tom Brady will exploit the 10 guys the Eagles drafted in the 1st or 2nd rd since 2010.  NOPE, confident as hell so let’s bet the FARM.  Let’s see if your strategy holds water, if it does I will be the first to congratulate you.

I can see it now, another 3rd Down stop that gives the ball back to Tom Terrific w/ 2 min remaining because the Eagle offense couldn’t pick up a 1st Down.  That vaunted Eagle D gets shredded & the Patriots celebrate another SB Victory.  Sigh

[NDcolt]

On 1/28/2018 at 9:02 PM, Fisticuffs111 said:

Benjamin Allbright, the somewhat unreliable guy who said "Toub is at the top of the Colts list" barely a month ago, said that Barkley isn't going in the top 7. 

 

 

 

 

 

Just figured I'd post this here, even though I'm starting to think this is the type of reporter who's fed whatever teams want to be outed.

After the Combine, Mr Barkley will be labeled a BEAST amongst Boys!  Strength, Speed, Agility will have CLEVELAND drueling.  

[esmort]

1 hour ago, NDcolt said:

After the Combine, Mr Barkley will be labeled a BEAST amongst Boys!  Strength, Speed, Agility will have CLEVELAND drueling.  

 

Take 10 paces, then turn and spit...the victor gets Barkley. 

 

 

 

[Dark Superman]

Love both guys. Really would love to have Nelson on this offensive line.

[NewEra]

I'm wanting Nelson also. I would rather improve the line with a sure fire pro bowler

[NewEra]

I can say I do miss the days we had Edge though. That dude was a beast!!

[braveheartcolt]

Brown get Cousins, take Barkley at 1. Giants stick with Eli, go Chubb at 2. This thread will then self-destructs in less than 30 seconds.....

 

I know, it's fun to speculate......

[BleedBlu8792]

14 minutes ago, braveheartcolt said:

Brown get Cousins, take Barkley at 1. Giants stick with Eli, go Chubb at 2. This thread will then self-destructs in less than 30 seconds.....

 

I know, it's fun to speculate......

 

Not really, most are hoping to trade back from #3 anyways. 

[Jason_]

On 1/21/2018 at 11:16 PM, NDcolt said:

Obviously we have different thoughts & player evaluations but I could have sworn Barkley was the best player in the Nation according to ESPN & the national pundits at some point?  

 

Name me the Eagles pass rush specialist that impacted the game today?  Does that top 5 Defense have a QB counting 25 Mil against the salary cap?  We are an offensive team w/ Luck & will never be a top 10 Defense.

 

New England's defense was ranked #3 overall in 2017 and that was with Brady's salary.  Try again.

[Flash7]

As the saying goes, "Defense wins championships" but the statistics show that is not entirely true. Of course you need a good defense but you also need a good offense. As it turns out, (and as logic would dictate) teams with the highest ranked offense AND highest ranked defense win more championships.

 

In 2017, the Colts ranked #31 in total offense and #30 in total defense. It's safe to say that we need to improve on both sides of the ball. Of course, getting Andrew Luck back will be a huge step forward on offense. Regardless, we need to improve on both sides, and both Barkley and Chub should be in consideration. We cannot address all of the team's needs through this year's FA and draft. It will take time, but we can make significant improvement.

 

CB should consider the best approach for improving the team. No doubt that by adding Barkley the offense will be more dynamic and harder to game plan for, and the defense will be better by adding Chub and having a good pass rush. Can either be addressed by adding other players through FA, like Hyde in place of Barkley or Ansah in place of Chub? 

 

If I had to choose, I would go with Chub. We have Andrew Luck, T.Y. Hilton, Jack Doyle and Mack (who I think will do well in McDaniel's offense) on offense and we will be fine there. We really do not have anyone on defense. Hooker is young and unproven as is Q. Wilson. If there was one place that we need immediate improvement, it would be the defense. I go with Chub.

 

 

 

 

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, Flash7 said:

As the saying goes, "Defense wins championships" but the statistics show that is not the entirely true. Of course you need a good defense but you also need a good offense. As it turns out, (and as logic would dictate) teams with the highest ranked offense AND highest ranked defense win more championships.

 

In 2017, the Colts ranked #31 in total offense and #30 in total defense. It's safe to say that we need to improve on both sides of the ball. Of course, getting Andrew Luck back will be a huge step forward on offense. Regardless, we need to improve on both sides, and both Barkley and Chub should be in consideration. We cannot address all of the team's needs through this year's FA and draft. It will take time, but we can make significant improvement.

 

CB should consider the best approach for improving the team. No doubt that by adding Barkley the offense will be more dynamic and harder to game plan for, and the defense will be better by adding Chub and having a good pass rush. Can either be addressed by adding other players through FA, like Hyde in place of Barkley or Ansah in place of Chub? 

 

If I had to choose, I would go with Chub. We have Andrew Luck, T.Y. Hilton, Jack Doyle and Mack (who I think will do well in McDaniel's offense) on offense and we will be fine there. We really do not have anyone on defense. Hooker is young and unproven as is Q. Wilson. If there was one place that we need immediate improvement, it would be the defense. I go with Chub.

 

 

 

 

We as Colt fans have seen first hand at what not having at least an average defense can bring. For years we sit back and watch Manning carve up teams and stack up wins. The playoffs came? What happened? Playoffs losses.That is what happened. Your point about having both is spot on.

[Ne-Ca-Higher]

The most valuable pick available at #3 will be a QB.  I didn't say best player.  Any businessman worth his salt would take the most valuable commodity, not the best player at some lesser position, or he'd trade the pick for what the most valuable at #3 is worth.  There are 5-7 QBs considered to be good prospects in this draft and at least that many teams that want one.  Let's say the Browns take Darnold and the Giants take Rosen.  That still leaves Allen, Mayfield, Rudolph, and Jackson, among others.  I think teams desperate for QBs will leap at the chance to get one of them.  If not, the Colts should draft one of them.  Teams with decent backups (Eagles, Vikings) still make it to the playoffs.  Chubb and Barkley may -- or may not -- be better players but they certainly aren't more valuable than a top QB prospect.

[Flash7]

18 minutes ago, Ne-Ca-Higher said:

The most valuable pick available at #3 will be a QB.  I didn't say best player.  Any businessman worth his salt would take the most valuable commodity, not the best player at some lesser position, or he'd trade the pick for what the most valuable at #3 is worth.  There are 5-7 QBs considered to be good prospects in this draft and at least that many teams that want one.  Let's say the Browns take Darnold and the Giants take Rosen.  That still leaves Allen, Mayfield, Rudolph, and Jackson, among others.  I think teams desperate for QBs will leap at the chance to get one of them.  If not, the Colts should draft one of them.  Teams with decent backups (Eagles, Vikings) still make it to the playoffs.  Chubb and Barkley may -- or may not -- be better players but they certainly aren't more valuable than a top QB prospect.

I see a bit of a "Bait & Switch" here.

 

Teams that need a starting QB would gladly take a QB with pick #3. However, I think it would be a terrible idea to pick a back up QB at pick #3.

[Mr.NotSoCreative]

On 2/1/2018 at 10:15 AM, braveheartcolt said:

Brown get Cousins, take Barkley at 1. Giants stick with Eli, go Chubb at 2. This thread will then self-destructs in less than 30 seconds.....

 

I know, it's fun to speculate......

Seems logical. I really think we owe it to Luck to keep him off the turf as much as much as possible. This scenario plays, we fall back get Nelson. Trade wise enough we get McG also. Heaven for me.

[Coltfreak]

On 2/1/2018 at 10:15 AM, braveheartcolt said:

Brown get Cousins, take Barkley at 1. Giants stick with Eli, go Chubb at 2. This thread will then self-destructs in less than 30 seconds.....

 

I know, it's fun to speculate......

This would be my hope.    Neither are worth the #3 pick....  I dont think anyone in the draft is actually.  But you gotta pick someone.    

[oldunclemark]

1 hour ago, Coltfreak said:

This would be my hope.    Neither are worth the #3 pick....  I dont think anyone in the draft is actually.  But you gotta pick someone.    

I'd call Denver and ask what they would give us to trade 'down' to No. 5