Gareon Conley accused of sexual assault (edit)

[Malakai432]

8 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

You aren't a famous, about to be rich person.   At least not to my knowledge

 

And in my younger days,  I invited a  coed or two back to my room.   Usually unsuccessfully

 

Yeah that's a little different then trying to skank it out by meeting random chicks in an elevator.  To me that's just a tid bit creepy.  To each their own though.

[Malakai432]

1 minute ago, twfish said:

Man that's really a messed up thing too do on a side note.... but to each thete own i guess?

 

Yeah indeed it is...

[ColtsBlueFL]

Just now, Jact.stark said:

If his agent/lawyer are so sure about the allegation they are gonna ask what Collins asked 1 year ago, draft me at worst at day 2, if not i'm going to take 1 year, then as he went UFA, he chose his team and he is gonna make more than 3rds.

 

It is public record now that Collins (via his agent) would not have waited for a year if taken in the draft.  It was a bluff, and it worked.  That time. Too many things can happen (get injured, not keep in good enough shape, better prospects the next year, etc...) to chance it.  Conley won't skip out if chosen, I'm pretty sure.

[Jact.stark]

Just now, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

It is public record now that Collins (via his agent) would not have waited for a year if taken in the draft.  It was a bluff, and it worked.  That time. Too many things can happen (get injured, not keep in good enough shape, better prospects the next year, etc...) to chance it.  Conley won't skip out if chosen, I'm pretty sure.

Well then he COULD be the bargain of the draft if selected in the 7th and he cleans up.

[ColtsBlueFL]

1 minute ago, Jact.stark said:

Well then he COULD be the bargain of the draft if selected in the 7th and he cleans up.

 

Could be. It's what happens when you push the chips and go all in... Clean up or wash out.  Who will pull the trigger, and when?  That is the question.

[Jact.stark]

3 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Could be. It's what happens when you push the chips and go all in... Clean up or wash out.  Who will pull the trigger, and when?  That is the question.

That's a lot of risk if he wash out, the team that selects him is gonna have a PR nightmare ^100.

[RockThatBlue]

He very well could be guilty, but its hard not to think the timing is a bit fishy considering its only a few days before the draft.

 

I mean, I guess we will see what happens.

[Defjamz26]

Not to try and play detective here, but if that police report is to be believed, why would she lie if there were about 2-3 other witnesses there? That seems silly. If it were just her and Conley, it would make sense for her to lie. But the PR claims his friend and friends girlfriend were also in the room. That'd be pretty bold to lie about something that happened in a room full of witnesses. Not making accusations but that part of the report jumped out at me.

 

Not to mention she did the right thing by having a tape kit done and reporting the incident the same day it happened. Usually with cases like these the problem is always that the victim waited too long or didn't have a rape kit done.

[Track Guy]

He's gonna be in a La'El Collins situation because this won't get cleared up by the draft. He's going to go undrafted, and if he can get cleared some team will luck into getting a top 25 guy in the draft as a UDFA. 

[Malakai432]

22 minutes ago, BOTT said:

 

You would if you could lol

 

If I wanted to find a skank I'd just go to Lebanon, OR. . . . a stripclub.  I'll make sure to stay away from elevators though.

[Defjamz26]

2 minutes ago, Track Guy said:

He's gonna be in a La'El Collins situation because this won't get cleared up by the draft. He's going to go undrafted, and if he can get cleared some team will luck into getting a top 25 guy in the draft as a UDFA. 

Agreed. And anyone saying anything different clearly doesn't understand the PR implications. You draft him and you're essentially saying you're willing to risk drafting a rapist because he's talented. The truth is that all teams refusing to draft Collins made the right decision despite the fact that he was cleared. Hindsight is 20/20

[DougDew]

39 minutes ago, krunk said:

Why what social issues do you mean my friend?  We know where you're going with this stuff.  Comical

Well, its not race if that's what you're driving at.

 

It has more to do with colleges being the only means to get a good job, so pretty much every kid anywhere applies out of necessity, not because they're really interested in 4 years of bookwork.

[Superman]

28 minutes ago, Jact.stark said:

If his agent/lawyer are so sure about the allegation they are gonna ask what Collins asked 1 year ago, draft me at worst at day 2, if not i'm going to take 1 year, then as he went UFA, he chose his team and he is gonna make more than 3rds.

 

He wouldn't make more than third rounders. He'd just be eligible for a new contract sooner than a drafted player would be. 

 

Speaking of Collins, it's still early in the offseason, but he is eligible for a new contract now, and that has yet to be done. If he doesn't get a new contract, he'll be a restricted free agent in 2018. He still might not hit free agency until after 4 years. 

 

The only real advantage Collins had by going undrafted is that he got to pick his team.

[COLTS449]

Don't judge the kid until the facts come out. Nobody knows what really happened.

 

2nd. He's the 2nd or 3rd best corner in this class, so yet another opportunity to take advantage of this class's issues. And oh yes. He'll be there in the 2-3 range now. Even if he's innocent.

[COLTS449]

23 minutes ago, Track Guy said:

He's gonna be in a La'El Collins situation because this won't get cleared up by the draft. He's going to go undrafted, and if he can get cleared some team will luck into getting a top 25 guy in the draft as a UDFA. 

 

Yeah. Hopefully us. We can get 5-6 1st RD talents because of all this

[COLTS449]

And like I said. You never know what happens between a man and a woman. This kid could be completely innocent or he could not be. Who knows. But in our society nowadays the man is always condemned before the facts even come out. All it takes is a woman accusing him and his reputation is ruined 90% of the time.

[Luck is Good]

3 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

And like I said. You never know what happens between a man and a woman. This kid could be completely innocent or he could not be. Who knows. But in our society nowadays the man is always condemned before the facts even come out. All it takes is a woman accusing him and his reputation is ruined 90% of the time.

Absolutely true. When it comes to a situation between a man and a woman, the man is almost always thought to be the guilty party. It's ridiculous but that's just fact

[COLTS449]

1 minute ago, Luck is Good said:

Absolutely true. When it comes to a situation between a man and a woman, the man is almost always thought to be the guilty party. It's ridiculous but that's just fact

 

Yep. But be careful. I'm probably about to take some heat for telling the truth LOL.

 

He could have made some o girl mad, and now she's trying to ruin his career??? Who knows.

[Luck is Good]

1 minute ago, COLTS449 said:

 

Yep. But be careful. I'm probably about to take some heat for telling the truth LOL.

 

He could have made some o girl mad, and now she's trying to ruin his career??? Who knows.

It's not far fetched to think that at all. Women hold grudges

[tweezy32]

33 minutes ago, Malakai432 said:

 

If I wanted to find a skank I'd just go to Lebanon, OR. . . . a stripclub.  I'll make sure to stay away from elevators though.

Whoaaaaaaa watch it bud, I attend school in Lebanon.. Its a great little town.... In southern Illinois. Yeah I know wrong lebanon! 

[tweezy32]

Just now, Luck is Good said:

It's not far fetched to think that at all. Women hold grudges

Women are cruel! 

[bababooey]

2 hours ago, PrincetonTiger said:

I can't  believe someone had to ask

Everyone's got a movie they haven't seen!

[Malakai432]

2 minutes ago, tweezy32 said:

Whoaaaaaaa watch it bud, I attend school in Lebanon.. Its a great little town.... In southern Illinois. Yeah I know wrong lebanon! 

 

 

 

I was just kidding anyways.  I live right next to Lebanon, Indiana.  Not a bad city but I've had some regretful encounters there to say the least. 

[Jact.stark]

34 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

He wouldn't make more than third rounders. He'd just be eligible for a new contract sooner than a drafted player would be. 

 

Speaking of Collins, it's still early in the offseason, but he is eligible for a new contract now, and that has yet to be done. If he doesn't get a new contract, he'll be a restricted free agent in 2018. He still might not hit free agency until after 4 years. 

 

The only real advantage Collins had by going undrafted is that he got to pick his team.

His contract was worth more than any 3rd because every year the Cowboys bumped his salary 30%.

Can a RFA be tagged after year 4?

[Superman]

1 minute ago, Jact.stark said:

His contract was worth more than any 3rd because every year the Cowboys bumped his salary 30%.

Can a RFA be tagged after year 4?

 

Yes, an RFA can be tagged. 

 

The Cowboys didn't bump his salary; they can't. He qualified for performance-based bonuses, just like every rookie does. Even with those, he's still made less than Henry Anderson, for instance, by about $500k so far. Anderson has made over $170k in performance based bonus himself, and that's with his rookie year being cut short and battling back from injury last season.

[indyagent17]

Two thoughts come to mind, One if he did this then he should be prosecuted. Secondly if this lady is making this up she should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

 

I think I can remember a year or somebody top 20 players are in this much trouble or injury-prone

[Jact.stark]

38 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Yes, an RFA can be tagged. 

 

The Cowboys didn't bump his salary; they can't. He qualified for performance-based bonuses, just like every rookie does. Even with those, he's still made less than Henry Anderson, for instance, by about $500k so far. Anderson has made over $170k in performance based bonus himself, and that's with his rookie year being cut short and battling back from injury last season.

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4742636/a-slight-tweak-to-lael-collins-contract
They bump his salary 25% each year and he is gonna earn 1,6 M after 3 years 533k per year but his next contract is worth 2.9M first round tender, 2M second round tender or a juicy extension 8M per year market value.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/henry-anderson-16819/

 

Anderson after 4 years ~~ 2,9M  , 725k  per year.

 

So it's worthier to be UFA than a 4,...,7th rounder because he money is gonna be better after year 3.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-draft-contract-values-2016-4

 

4-7th rounders are worth around 2.5M / 4 years.

[NFLfan]

2 hours ago, DougDew said:

Well, its not race if that's what you're driving at.

 

It has more to do with colleges being the only means to get a good job, so pretty much every kid anywhere applies out of necessity, not because they're really interested in 4 years of bookwork.

 

What does all this have to do with a player being accused of rape two days before the draft? This makes no sense. 

[NFLfan]

2 hours ago, Superman said:

 

He wouldn't make more than third rounders. He'd just be eligible for a new contract sooner than a drafted player would be. 

 

Speaking of Collins, it's still early in the offseason, but he is eligible for a new contract now, and that has yet to be done. If he doesn't get a new contract, he'll be a restricted free agent in 2018. He still might not hit free agency until after 4 years. 

 

The only real advantage Collins had by going undrafted is that he got to pick his team.

 

Could Collins have been eligible for the supplemental draft?

[OffensivelyPC]

2 hours ago, COLTS449 said:

Don't judge the kid until the facts come out. Nobody knows what really happened.

 

2nd. He's the 2nd or 3rd best corner in this class, so yet another opportunity to take advantage of this class's issues. And oh yes. He'll be there in the 2-3 range now. Even if he's innocent.

Josh Gordon is proof talent isnt everything. Everyone can see the value, but it means nothing if it cant stay on the field. Im not saying avoid him at all costs, but we shouldnt be throwing caution to the wind either. You appear to be advocating the latter and you will get burned that way at some point. How many 20 dollar scratchoffs does it take before you realize a poor investment, you know?

[COLTS449]

46 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Josh Gordon is proof talent isnt everything. Everyone can see the value, but it means nothing if it cant stay on the field. Im not saying avoid him at all costs, but we shouldnt be throwing caution to the wind either. You appear to be advocating the latter and you will get burned that way at some point. How many 20 dollar scratchoffs does it take before you realize a poor investment, you know?

 

There's a difference. conley and Gordon have completely different issues. So Conley most likely isn't going to have any continuous issues like Gordon. This is more of a 1 time thing from my point of view as its two totally different things. Same with Mixon. Williams would be more of a concern IMO, but I believe in 2nd chances, and I believe kids can change. Grow up and figure things out.

[Shive]

51 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Could Collins have been eligible for the supplemental draft?

No. You have be ineligible for the draft to be eligible for the supplemental draft.

 

The draft-eligible options are:

- Get drafted & sign contract

- Get drafted, don't sign, sit out for a year, then enter the draft next year

- Go undrafted & become a UDFA who can sign with any team

 

Also, the rookie wage scale limits how much a rookie can make, drafted or not.

[Shive]

2 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

 

There's a difference. conley and Gordon have completely different issues. So Conley most likely isn't going to have any continuous issues like Gordon. This is more of a 1 time thing from my point of view as its two totally different things. Same with Mixon. Williams would be more of a concern IMO, but I believe in 2nd chances, and I believe kids can change. Grow up and figure things out.

Having potentially raped a girl is nowhere near smoking too much pot. There's something not mentally right with someone that rapes another human being, therefore the possibility for it to happen again is DEFINITELY there.

 

I know you like to try to see team building without a moral compass, but I'd advise against that if you don't like taking the licks you do on this forum.

[Buddy Lee]

Any comment other than the Colts should stay away from Conley in the draft are completely void of factual evidence at this point. It will never be clear until after draft day. Maybe never. 

[Buddy Lee]

Some of these cases never are very clear. Look up Roethlisberger. Not just as a Steeler but at Miami of Ohio.

[COLTS449]

1 hour ago, Shive said:

Having potentially raped a girl is nowhere near smoking too much pot. There's something not mentally right with someone that rapes another human being, therefore the possibility for it to happen again is DEFINITELY there.

 

I know you like to try to see team building without a moral compass, but I'd advise against that if you don't like taking the licks you do on this forum.

 

See. He's automatically guilty  ....Come on man. You know how stuff like this goes. Is it not odd this comes out 2 days before the draft? But yes. Any man who actually rapes a woman should be beat to a pulp, but we don't know the situation. And yes. Rape is a real crime. Smoking weed isn't IMO. But I still doubt Conley, having never been in any trouble does anything else. I doubt this was really a rape first of all, and assuming it wasn't I doubt he gets in anymore trouble. Look at Big Ben, and countless other players.

[COLTS449]

1 hour ago, Buddy Lee said:

Some of these cases never are very clear. Look up Roethlisberger. Not just as a Steeler but at Miami of Ohio.

 

Exactly. But the man's always guilty. In my hometown there was this skanky 18 year old girl who was a SR in HS. She slept with 5-6 guys I went to school with, they were 25-26 at that time.. Well her daddy finds out and she says oh it was rape a MONTH later. Ruining all these guys's names. Then it goes to court and the truth comes out. I just know how things go LOL. I've seen people get set up, lied on, mistreated and everything you can imagine.

[rock8591]

7 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

 

See. He's automatically guilty  ....Come on man. You know how stuff like this goes. Is it not odd this comes out 2 days before the draft? But yes. Any man who actually rapes a woman should be beat to a pulp, but we don't know the situation. And yes. Rape is a real crime. Smoking weed isn't IMO. But I still doubt Conley, having never been in any trouble does anything else. I doubt this was really a rape first of all, and assuming it wasn't I doubt he gets in anymore trouble. Look at Big Ben, and countless other players.

 

That reminds me of Colin Kaepernick being accused of rape, as reported by TMZ years ago.

 

Long story short, he invited a girl over to his hotel, she badgered him for sex, he disagreed and called the police to escort her out instead of beating her up himself. When the police came, she changed her story and TMZ swallowed it like half-a-dumas.

[COLTS449]

Athletes are going to be accused of horrible things like this. Their woman gets man and tries to ruin him. How many times has this happened??? Now whats his @$$ that played for the Saints is an actual rapist and hopefully some big bulked up dude will do the same to him over and over while he's in the pen.

[Shive]

19 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

 

See. He's automatically guilty  ....Come on man. You know how stuff like this goes. Is it not odd this comes out 2 days before the draft?

I never said he was guilty, hence the "potentially". I was actually talking to my girlfriend about this earlier and her first reaction was the same as mine, "that's really convenient timing..."

 

These are murky situations and a first time GM is not going to draft a guy with a situation like this that will most likely not be resolved by draft day.