Reaction thread: Fire all the coaches and the GM (merge)

[Colts_Fan12]

Damn all those many millions Grigs spent on FAs really was worth it huh?

[Surge89]

As I said Luck has been bad ... but, between the OL letting him get hammered and the WRs not getting separation a so/so game from any QB will become a horrible game. He has to work within the game plan devised by the coaches, and even if he audibles he is still audibling to one of Pep's horrid plays. He had certain things that were apparent early that looked like they may meed to be coached or tweaked that would be Pagano or Grigson/FO responsibility to realize and bring in a QB guru to help him work on some things Clyde Christensen definitely isn't that guy.

So I definitely don't give Luck a pass ... But, he is way down toward the bottom on the list of problems IMO.

The oline doesn't let him get "hammered". He holds onto the ball and either he can't read where a free rusher is coming from or doesn't know what to do when a free rusher is coming. He is hearing footsteps now and I don't blame it all on coaching as you do. His own inadequacies have contributed just as much as the inadequate offensive play calling.

If Luck is calling all of these plays someone needs to reel the offense away from him. Stop treating him like he's Manning already and treat him like a regular 4th year QB.

[TheJACKCOLT]

Please. I said all offseason that the staff had a lot to prove this season.

 

And yes, Andrew Luck was the worst player on the field tonight.

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Like most nights, Lance Louis was the worst player tonight.

[YourTearinApartLisa!]

We saw a weaker defense and faltered. Our defense played and gave us a chance. Our offense failed us period. The O-line is garbage. Let's put lipstick on the pig period but Marino couldn't function with the time Luck had. Invest in O-line and fire Grigson and Pep. Pep can't adjust or did I say that last week? Feel free to quote it. 

Edited September 22, 2015 by 21isSuperman

[dw49]

Clyde isn't the guy, that's for sure.

 

But Luck missed open receivers with no pressure. He didn't see other wide open receivers at times. The receivers weren't getting a lot of separation, but Luck missed a lot of opportunities. 

 

He also missed an opportunity to lose his career behind that jail brake stuff I saw all night long. Defenders coming at him from every angle and nobody getting open.  Plus you have some dingbat calling a crossing pattern to a reserve guard on 2nd and 2 from the 8. Plus an O lineman or TE holding on just about every good drive Luck can engineer. What a hot mess of crap.

[luckygringo1287]

This is the team that was built to beat the Patriots??? I'm sick of hearing them talk about " we will go back and look at the film and make the corrections and get better"... This is lip service at it's best.

Edited September 22, 2015 by 21isSuperman

[Superman]

He also missed an opportunity to lose his career behind that jail brake stuff I saw all night long. Defenders coming at him from every angle and nobody getting open. Plus you have some dingbat calling a crossing pattern to a reserve guard on 2nd and 2 from the 8. Plus an O lineman or TE holding on just about every good drive Luck can engineer. What a hot mess of crap.

Is it too much to ask for him to beat the blitz with accurate quick passing?

I don't understand the beef on the tackle eligible play. He was open, Luck missed him.

And I think the hold on Doyle was bogus.

But yes, a hot mess of crap, Lionel Richie style: all night long.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Grigson David Carr'd him.

I've been saying that too. Granted that's my knee jerk go to comment on the season so far.

[SDakColts]

I would love to see everyone on here when we start winning, sounds like a lot of you would have liked to have RG3 over luck. Quit complaining . Better o-line and heathly d backs that's it

Yeah some of those Jamarcus Russell comments were pretty ridiculous. I know a lot of the posters here are in a frenzy and overreacting a little bit. However, it doesn't change anything. We have played horribly in our first two games and play calling has been terrible. The bad thing is it is our offense that is hamstringing us the most. I personally think there is plenty of things to complain about in our first two games, but it is possible that we can turn it around. Now as far as your fixes. A better O-Line is hard to come by and I don't see it being fixed a whole lot so what we have now is basically what we got. As far as DBs yes getting them healthy will help tremendously.

[esmort]

The oline doesn't let him get "hammered". He holds onto the ball and either he can't read where a free rusher is coming from or doesn't know what to do when a free rusher is coming. He is hearing footsteps now and I don't blame it all on coaching as you do. His own inadequacies have contributed just as much as the inadequate offensive play calling.

If Luck is calling all of these plays someone needs to reel the offense away from him. Stop treating him like he's Manning already and treat him like a regular 4th year QB.

 

I agree that he often does hold onto the ball too long ... but part him holding the ball longer is out of necessity much of the time if he didn't he would be throwing it away and we would lose because we couldn't move the ball; this habit was also reinforced by the long developing plays that were used early in his career.  Rodgers and Roethlisberger also hold the ball and take sacks, but their coaches are smart enough to design their schemes and plays around the benefits and limitations of that type of QB.

 

So IMO even though Luck likes to hold onto the ball longer it still falls on the coaches to adapt to that style or correct it. 

[Surge89]

Is it too much to ask for him to beat the blitz with accurate quick passing?

I don't understand the beef on the tackle eligible play. He was open, Luck missed him.

And I think the hold on Doyle was bogus.

But yes, a hot mess of crap, Lionel Richie style: all night long.

No it isn't but luck is on a pedestal.

[Surge89]

I agree that he often does hold onto the ball too long ... but part him holding the ball longer is out of necessity much of the time if he didn't he would be throwing it away and we would lose because we couldn't move the ball; this habit was also reinforced by the long developing plays that were used early in his career. Rodgers and Roethlisberger also hold the ball and take sacks, but there coaches are smart enough to design there schemes and plays around the benefits and limitations of that type of QB.

So IMO even though Luck likes to hold onto the ball longer it still falls on the coaches to adapt to that style or correct it.

Hmm we seem to fundamentally disagree. Rodgers has issues with a quick release? That's news to me. And while Ben (under Arians) had a bad habit of holding it too long he is more of a timing Passer now for the past 4 years so... I think it's Luck that needs to grow especially if everyone's going to be putting him in the Manning, Rodgers category.

[dw49]

Is it too much to ask for him to beat the blitz with accurate quick passing?

I don't understand the beef on the tackle eligible play. He was open, Luck missed him.

And I think the hold on Doyle was bogus.

But yes, a hot mess of crap, Lionel Richie style: all night long.

 

 

That tackle eligible play calls for a lot of timing and Reitz had maybe a step. Crazy stupid play in that situation.

 

Receivers started coming open a bit in the second half but then Luck made Gore fumble away the easy TD. The whole first half they blitzed and no one was open. So don't know how you throw those nice quick passes and beat anyone when they are covered like blankets. I guess different people watch a football game in different ways. No problem....

[SteelDragon]

We might be in the running for a very high draft pick next year if this continues. They better not use it on another receiver. Lol

But,but... what if receiver is the BPA?!? *rolls eyes*

[#12.]

It's nice to be creative, I suppose, but I've never seen a tackle eligible play from that position on the field.

[RockThatBlue]

No it isn't but luck is on a pedestal.

No he's not.

[esmort]

Hmm we seem to fundamentally disagree. Rodgers has issues with a quick release? That's news to me. And while Ben (under Arians) had a bad habit of holding it too long he is more of a timing Passer now for the past 4 years so... I think it's Luck that needs to grow especially if everyone's going to be putting him in the Manning, Rodgers category.

 

Rodgers snap to release time may be faster and he has a faster throwing motion release ... but his style of play has similarities to Luck and Ben R  ... All like to extend the plays by pocket movement and scrambling.  Of course Luck needs to grow; he doesnt have the experience of either of those players, but he also doesn't benefit from their superior coaching and he didn't get to sit behind Favre and learn the intricacies of the game either. 

 

But, as I said in my earlier posts he needs the right (much better) coaches to do that, especially if the they can't put a decent O line in front of him. IMO the coaching staff is not only NOT helping him they are actually hurting him and his development. 

[Superman]

That tackle eligible play calls for a lot of timing and Reitz had maybe a step. Crazy stupid play in that situation.

 

Receivers started coming open a bit in the second half but then Luck made Gore fumble away the easy TD. The whole first half they blitzed and no one was open. So don't know how you throw those nice quick passes and beat anyone when they are covered like blankets. I guess different people watch a football game in different ways. No problem....

 

I disagree on the tackle eligible play. That's not a play that I'm holding over Luck's head, as I think erring on the side of caution is the right thing to do with that throw. I just don't understand the beef with it. It's an unconventional play that pretty much worked. Lots of playcalling issues for me, and that isn't one of them.

 

There were open receivers. Not a lot. He missed them. You can't beat a heavy blitzing team if you aren't accurate on short passes, and he wasn't. We still haven't gone back to the middle screen that Gore had a shot at against the Bills. So the playcalling is a big issue as well.

[Superman]

No it isn't but luck is on a pedestal.

 

He's great. But he hasn't played well so far.

[funktacious2]

I'm far from impressed with the coaching, but they're not responsible for 3 interceptions, a fumble, and another game of penalties. You can argue the coaches have failed to keep us disciplined, but wow what a sloppy two games.

[Superman]

Like most nights, Lance Louis was the worst player tonight.

 

Okay, Luck was the 2nd worst player on the field.

[esmort]

I'm far from impressed with the coaching, but they're not responsible for 3 interceptions, a fumble, and another game of penalties. You can argue the coaches have failed to keep us disciplined, but wow what a sloppy two games.

 

Coaches are definitely responsible for penalties.  And some portion of responsibility on some interceptions is on them as well.  Coaches dont just to wash their hands of player mistakes, coaching the players not to make those mistakes is a big part of their job, especially penalties.

[Sting]

Pagona, Manusky, And Pep all has to go.

Griggs needs to go before Pags does.  Irsay said he was tired of the star wars numbers and yet Griggs drafted a wide receiver in the 1st round.  Colts need big uglies and Griggs has failed to get them. OL should have been priority number one to protect the franchise and Griggs has failed to produce.  I do agree that Pep needs to go though.

[Superman]

Coaches are definitely responsible for penalties.  And some portion of responsibility on some interceptions is on them as well.  Coaches dont just to wash their hands of player mistakes, coaching the players not to make those mistakes is a big part of their job, especially penalties.

 

Yeah, Pagano should have spent a lot more time working with Frank Gore on not letting the ball flap out of his arms like a freshly hooked trout.

[GoColts8818]

Is it too much to ask for him to beat the blitz with accurate quick passing?

I don't understand the beef on the tackle eligible play. He was open, Luck missed him.

And I think the hold on Doyle was bogus.

But yes, a hot mess of crap, Lionel Richie style: all night long.

I think there several bad calls tonight and I would like to complain about the officials but there were so many self inflicted wombs I don't think their bad calls really mattered as a whole.

[esmort]

Yeah, Pagano should have spent a lot more time working with Frank Gore on not letting the ball flap out of his arms like a freshly hooked trout.

 

That wasn't a penalty and I didn't say they were responsible for all mistakes, but I think a lot of mistakes (false starts, holding, PI etc ... even though I think the refs made some horrible calls in the game) fall partially on the coaches. If Gore was a young player who had fumbling tendencies, I might put some of that on the coaches but Gore has been a RB long enough that was all on him and he was probably harder on himself than any coach could be. 

[Freenyfan102]

Just imagine when we face the new England look like they are going to put 70 on us

[dw49]

I disagree on the tackle eligible play. That's not a play that I'm holding over Luck's head, as I think erring on the side of caution is the right thing to do with that throw. I just don't understand the beef with it. It's an unconventional play that pretty much worked. Lots of playcalling issues for me, and that isn't one of them.

 

There were open receivers. Not a lot. He missed them. You can't beat a heavy blitzing team if you aren't accurate on short passes, and he wasn't. We still haven't gone back to the middle screen that Gore had a shot at against the Bills. So the playcalling is a big issue as well.

 

We have really stunk the joint up. Other than thee front 3 , the team has been collectively bad. I think it does no one any good to try to evaluate Andrew Lucks play as to where most of the blame lies. We all know the offensive production is terrible. I'm not even sure Chuck Pagano could tell you how much is Andrew's fault and how much "belongs" to the guys playing with him. I've given this my opinion and will now bow out of this controversy.

[GoColts8818]

We have really stunk the joint up. Other than thee front 3 , the team has been collectively bad. I think it does no one any good to try to evaluate Andrew Lucks play as to where most of the blame lies. We all know the offensive production is terrible. I'm not even sure Chuck Pagano could tell you how much is Andrew's fault and how much "belongs" to the guys playing with him. I've given this my opinion and will now bow out of this controversy.

I honestly can't tell you one player on offense who I would say has played "well" so far other than maybe TY. 

 

With that said I don't think they are going to be this bad forever.  They have a lot of work to do though and very short amount of time to do it in.  I think they have the next two weeks to get things figured out because after that they go into the meat of their schedule starting with a short week and a roadtrip to Houston. 

[12dalegend]

At the very least Pep needs to go. Like, tonight. 21 points in 2 games is Jaguars level bad.

Pep needs to go for this to get better...does not belong in the NFL

[Superman]

I honestly can't tell you one player on offense who I would say has played "well" so far other than maybe TY. 

 

With that said I don't think they are going to be this bad forever.  They have a lot of work to do though and very short amount of time to do it in.  I think they have the next two weeks to get things figured out because after that they go into the meat of their schedule starting with a short week and a roadtrip to Houston. 

 

Moncrief.

[GoColts8818]

Moncrief.

at times yes at other times no. He's had stretches where he's not getting open either but he's far from their major problems on offense.

[Superman]

We have really stunk the joint up. Other than thee front 3 , the team has been collectively bad. I think it does no one any good to try to evaluate Andrew Lucks play as to where most of the blame lies. We all know the offensive production is terrible. I'm not even sure Chuck Pagano could tell you how much is Andrew's fault and how much "belongs" to the guys playing with him. I've given this my opinion and will now bow out of this controversy.

 

It's not my intention to blame any one person for the way the team has played so far. Right when Luck gets it going, penalties and Gore's fumble throw everything off track. Both games could have been won despite the lackluster QBing.

 

As I said earlier, I'm not remotely concerned with Luck. He'll be fine. I don't know about the protection. I don't know about the coordinator. 

[krunk]

They need to get away from that Lance Louis I'll say that.

[krunk]

Moncrief was running some routes out there bro.  I saw him break Revis ankles a couple of times to be honest.

We just got to get Luck back to playing well again.  Also this is basically a new WR corps amongst the receivers

other than T.Y. and Moncrief.  New things take time to jell, I still have faith in Andre Johnson too. I think offensively

things need to be schemed up and executed a little bit better.  I understand Andre is not as fast as he once was,

but you can still put in him in the right position to make plays.

 

I'm more concerned about him dropping the ball as that is very uncharacteristic of him.  Dorsett is not being schemed into the offense very well to me either.  He'll be fine, but the guy is still getting aclimated to the NFL game.  Throw him a couple quick hitches and screens out there to get him in the flow of the game.  Get him some easy stuff that he can run after catch with.  All in all I think Luck needs to deliver the football better and the overall passing game needs to be schemed better for this blitzing type of defense we are now having issues with.  I have faith we'll get the thing fixed, now that might mean firing Pep or Pagano really squeezing the guy to scheme up the use of the personnel better. Whatever the case is we will get things working better soon. This is a really trying time, but this team will rally.

[TrueColt!]

I'm so upset. I knew we would go 0-2 tho. I just was hoping I would be wrong, but nope. Same coaches, same results. Just like looking at the same team every year. Can't beat halfway good teams then all this talk from the coach about having to get better. When Wayne left, what did he say? "I just want to win" He made other plans but point is, he knows we not gonna win with these nonsense going on. He already saw it, he's on the inside. Why would he say that? The Pats are gonna feast on us for a early Thanksgiving dinner. Unbelievable. Get some players on this team cheapos!!!!!!

[TrueColt!]

Luck is cool. It's that line. Look at some of those plays. Guys are unblocked, coming right in off the snap. If anybody has 2-300 lbs men steaming for u unblocked or barely blocked at full speed, u would throw that ball in the air too. Come on. Who's gonna stand there and get clobbered all night long? Look what just happened to Romo. He trying to live to see another day, forget football at that point. It's Players out here retired with brain damage man. They need to do something about that line. Period...and the defense. The defense was great against these Jets but 1 performance means nothing. They just got tired at the end bcuz the bum offense goes 3 and out all night long. We come with that defense like that every game plus fix that line and we will do some wonderful things against these teams with good defense. When was the last time our home crowd booed our Offense? Really? Why even draft Luck? Just wasting him.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Jim Harbaugh, next Coach. He Coached Andrew at Stanford. He took Alex Smith and a crappy SF team to a near SB and Kaep to a SB. That would be cool. A friend of mine suggested this scenario. I know he just signed with Michigan but you can get out of college contracts. He took us to a Final 4 and is loved here too.

[zibby43]

Jim Harbaugh, next Coach. He Coached Andrew at Stanford. He took Alex Smith and a crappy SF team to a near SB and Kaep to a SB. That would be cool. A friend of mine suggested this scenario. I know he just signed with Michigan but you can get out of college contracts. He took us to a Final 4 and is loved here too.

 

There is 0% chance of that happening.

 

Do you really want a guy that was run out of San Francisco despite taking the entire franchise from a gutter rat to a perennial Super Bowl contender?

 

I mean, dang, that says a lot to me. 

 

All that said, I would love to land John Harbaugh.  Unfortunately, that's not happening either.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Jim is loved here. I just wanted to throw it out. I like it. He was a good QB for us too.