Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

Jerrell Freeman = Bobby Wagner?


Recommended Posts

I was looking at the career stat comparison in light of Wagner's new massive contract which pays him 10-11 mil per year.

 

Bobby Wagner: 364 tackles, 9 sacks, 5 ints, and 14 pass deflections

 

Jerrell Freeman: 366 tackles, 9 sacks, 3 ints, and 14 pass deflections

 

They are both 6-0, 240 pounds as well. Both started their full time NFL careers in 2012. The biggest difference is that Wagner is 25 and Freeman is 29.

 

I realize Freeman isn't as well thought of as Wagner is, but in light of Wagner's new deal, should the Colts dish out long term money to Freeman on a similar based contract? If he has a huge bounce back year, he could make the argument he should be.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I know the age difference plays into it, but the Colts have done this before where they overpaid for an aging LB in D'Qwell Jackson. I didn't write this post to say I think he will get this kind of money. I mostly made this post because I find it intriguing that both players have very similar stats and Wagner is one of the top players on that Seattle D.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I was looking at the career stat comparison in light of Wagner's new massive contract which pays him 10-11 mil per year.

 

Bobby Wagner: 364 tackles, 9 sacks, 5 ints, and 14 pass deflections

 

Jerrell Freeman: 366 tackles, 9 sacks, 3 ints, and 14 pass deflections

 

They are both 6-0, 240 pounds as well. Both started their full time NFL careers in 2012. The biggest difference is that Wagner is 25 and Freeman is 29.

 

I realize Freeman isn't as well thought of as Wagner is, but in light of Wagner's new deal, should the Colts dish out long term money to Freeman on a similar based contract? If he has a huge bounce back year, he could make the argument he should be.

 

Not no, but hell no.

 

Jerrell Freeman isn't half the player Wagner is.

Link to post
Share on other sites

The stats may be similar, but the played aren't. Freeman couldn't hold a candle to Wagner. Even if Freeman was 25, he's not as good as Wagner. Stats don't always tell the whole story. Geno Smith had less turnovers than Andrew Luck....

Link to post
Share on other sites

Despite the disrespect and hate shown towards Freeman here 1 thing you have to take into account that those stats don't show is AGE....Freeman is 29 and will be 30 by the time he gets his next contract. Wagner just turned 25 two months ago. If Freeman was 25 and played like he did his first two years in the league then yes he would probably get a similar deal to Wagner and be worth it BUT he is 29 and will be 30 well before the season starts next year

Link to post
Share on other sites

The stats may be similar, but the played aren't. Freeman couldn't hold a candle to Wagner. Even if Freeman was 25, he's not as good as Wagner. Stats don't always tell the whole story. Geno Smith had less turnovers than Andrew Luck....

"Geno Smith had less turnovers than Andrew Luck...."

 

you could not have been more outrageous with this comparison, Comparing Freeman to Wagner is nowhere near comparing Luck to Geno....Not close

Link to post
Share on other sites

Sounds right I think as well given his age

His age is the primary reason, but I hope we can re-sign him. I like pairing him inside with Nate Irving. I don't see the Colts keeping Jackson around.. No need to keep three ILB's making over $3 million a year if Freeman gets an extension.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I expect a LB will be our 1st rd pick next draft.

No later than 2nd.

And we will move on from Freeman and DQ.

I think we will be moving on from DQ

If the price is right, we should try to keep Freeman.

But if we allow him to walk, I'm all in for going ILB or Safety very early in next year's draft.

Unless we can somehow snag Eric Weddle in free agency.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Regardless of his age, the disrespect towards Freeman on here is ridiculous.

its just truth not disrespect the homers on here think we have the best players at every position. People get mad when members call them out on there B S and call it disrespect when it's just true. Stop comparing our average players to all pros of other teams and you won't get called out
Link to post
Share on other sites

its just truth not disrespect the homers on here think we have the best players at every position. People get mad when members call them out on there B S and call it disrespect when it's just true. Stop comparing our average players to all pros of other teams and you won't get called out

I don't think we have the best players, but I also don't think freeman is as bad as every makes him seem neither

Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think we have the best players, but I also don't think freeman is as bad as every makes him seem neither

 

I agree. He's not a tier 1 LB, but people on here make it appear as if he's a scrub. I wonder if people's opinion of Freeman would change if we had that Seattle defensive line lol.

Link to post
Share on other sites

"Geno Smith had less turnovers than Andrew Luck...."

 

you could not have been more outrageous with this comparison, Comparing Freeman to Wagner is nowhere near comparing Luck to Geno....Not close

I don't think that's what he was doing. He was illustrating how comparing numbers can be very misleading.

Link to post
Share on other sites

no one hates him? He's not as good as Wagner and he's also gonna be 30 before his next contract

 

not relating to the thread just in general theres been a lot of hate for freeman and when everyone loved him before he had a injury year which happens

Link to post
Share on other sites

Both are stat-eaters. Mostly plays up the field, getting beat, much like Pat Angerer. Both don't cover particularly well nor stop the run well.

 

freeman did both well in his first two years and everyone loved him now hes trash because of one injury year? guess what? it happens. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think that's what he was doing. He was illustrating how comparing numbers can be very misleading.

Even so he has similar game changing plays as Wagner....Though according to Football Outsiders Freeman played in 106 more regular season snaps then Wagner in 2014....and I don't really think Geno to Luck is a fair comparison. One QB is capable of putting up league leading passing numbers at any/every major QB stat every year(Or any single year) while the other QB is probably going to be fighting for a roster spot in the next year or 2. Besides he tried to illustrate how numbers are misleading but he did not show specific numbers showing the mislead

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14979/bobby-wagner

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11533/jerrell-freeman

 

He has similar TFL's

 

Also even by PFF's numbers in 2013 Freeman was good against the pass https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/29/signature-stats-first-downs-allowed-linebackers/

 

I don't have the stats for 2014 of PFF but keep in mind Freeman was playing gimpy much of the year

Link to post
Share on other sites

no one said he was bad but comparing him to Wagner is a joke

I don't see how its a joke if both their stats are almost identical. if Wagner is that much more better then Freeman then why isn't his stats head n shoulders better then freeman's? Until Wagner put up better stats,I think its a fair comparison.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't see how its a joke if both their stats are almost identical. if Wagner is that much more better then Freeman then why isn't his stats head n shoulders better then freeman's? Until Wagner put up better stats,I think its a fair comparison.

Wagner is a top 5 linebacker. Freeman is OK but he's not exactly as good as Wagner. Although I'm not a freeman hater either, he's done well for the colts but he shouldn't be compared to Wagner. Just my 2 cents.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Wagner is a top 5 linebacker. Freeman is OK but he's not exactly as good as Wagner. Although I'm not a freeman hater either, he's done well for the colts but he shouldn't be compared to Wagner. Just my 2 cents.

I'm totally confused, he's a top 5 linebacker, BT has identical stats to freeman???? Then shouldn't that make Freeman a top 5 linebacker then????? What are you guys basing this off of? Potential??

Link to post
Share on other sites

This is proof that stats aren't everything.

With that said Freeman is underrated by a lot of fans.

I honestly agree. Freeman is average to above average at times, and he's decent at covering tight ends and not a horrible tackler. But that said, he's still not Wagner. Wagner is a top 5 (maybe even higher then that) linebacker.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Do you think Freeman is a top 5 linebacker?

If he is healthy he is a top 10 ILB

 

I'd say:

 

Bowman

Dansby

Kuechly

Sean Lee (If healthy)

Lawrence Timmons

 

All definitely better, Others sure you can argue but I think Freeman is in the discussion at ILB in the top 10

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • This is the upside of drafting and maintaining a high character team.   The players and Ballard an Reich have come to an agreement  that satisfies both sides.    Win-win.   The roughly 10 teams who have opted OUT of OTA’s because of a lack of an agreement between management and players likely wish they could trade places with the Colts.      We have leaders not followers.   We are trying to protect all the players not just veterans.  When you opt out of practice the guys hurt the most are the young players trying for a roster spot.  Injured players who are trying to reclaim their previous form.    Today, it’s good to be a Colts fan.   Our organization sees the Big Picture.   Hopefully this leads to better days ahead. 
    • Only part of our schedule that is consider easier is based on Jags and Texans (4 games) and the Jets. As such that knock our SoS. But if you look at the majority of our schedule most of the teams we are to face are 10 win teams last year, or expected to be in contention for Playoff (Raiders, Cards, 49ers). That is pretty much why
    • Not really, much, I think the dude swung like a little ____. Willie Mays Hayes has a better swing. But I think people that do that crap are incredibly stupid and have SDE, I over here never been in a fight, but that is because I am bigger than a lot of people, and have enough swing to break a jaw easily if I ever needed to.  I think the dude should be banned from all Major League parks
    • The Colts do play 6 of the top 9 ranked teams as it stands today.   
    • Favorite - Hooker, Q, Leonard, Pittman, Campbell. Agree with @Supermanthat Hooker had the chance to be special but his career got derailed by injuries. I still feel like if he gets in the right situation and scheme he can be very good and revive his career. Loved Q(my best player in that draft), loved Leonard(compared to others)... I had him as an early second and he was picked early second, but compared to other people not liking the pick I was pretty high on Leonard. Loved both Pittman and Campbell picks, lets see if they make me look foolish. Loved Hines... loved the Tell pick especially when I learned we were going to try to switch him to CB.    Least favorite - didn't love Braden Smith's pick(had him ranked as a 3d rounder, we picked him early second). Didn't love Tyquan Lewis pick... massive reach. Didn't love Khari Willis pick. Thought both Rock and Banogu were reaches, but not huge ones. Zach Banner was a horrible pick I thought. 
  • Members

    • stitches

      stitches 8,724

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • ReMeDy

      ReMeDy 444

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • gspdx

      gspdx 641

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • SteelCityColt

      SteelCityColt 4,494

      Moderators
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Nevbot

      Nevbot 3

      Rookie
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • wig

      wig 161

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Mitch Connors

      Mitch Connors 346

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • NewColtsFan

      NewColtsFan 9,820

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • BlueStallion

      BlueStallion 29

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • CR91

      CR91 7,264

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
×
×
  • Create New...