Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

Richardson didn't travel with the team to New England (Merge)


Superman

Recommended Posts

I would like to see Trich used like Boom...more check down passes, Hell Boom averaged what 2.7 yards in Denver ? Yet everyone claimes that he is awesome, I say we get a real running back in the draft..yes 1 or 2, or free agent. Say what you will, but RB is not plug and play as many say on here, and why would you be ok with that? I want the best player at every position !!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 325
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

I would like to see Trich used like Boom...more check down passes, Hell Boom averaged what 2.7 yards in Denver ? Yet everyone claimes that he is awesome, I say we get a real running back in the draft..yes 1 or 2, or free agent. Say what you will, but RB is not plug and play as many say on here, and why would you be ok with that? I want the best player at every position !!!

Its been plug and play with everyone but Trent. If Boom gets 2.7 ypc then Trent would average 1.3 ypc.

Boom isn't the greatest, but he isn't sitting in Indy crying over being benched either.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Crazy how you can go from widely-regarded top 5 RB prospect ever to arguably the worst runner in NFL history. NFL shows no mercy.

No....you're right, it doesn't.

 

And neither do some posters here....many of whom, at the same time, gobble up those very same "widely-regarded" pre-draft reports like baby eaglets fighting for the last worm....so they can post 90%+ inaccurate, unrealistic and ill-advised mock drafts.

 

But back to Richardson....hasn't there been enough media slugs playing this TRich tune over and over already without Colts fans endlessly bringing it up over and over and over?

 

Trent's next move is most likely out the door....with perhaps one more NFL shot somewhere else.

 

So for :cuss: 's sake.....how 'bout we all move on?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

No....you're right, it doesn't.

And neither do some posters here....many of whom, at the same time, gobble up those very same "widely-regarded" pre-draft reports like baby eaglets fighting for the last worm....so they can post 90%+ inaccurate, unrealistic and ill-advised mock drafts.

But back to Richardson....hasn't there been enough media slugs playing this TRich tune over and over already without Colts fans endlessly bringing it up over and over and over?

Trent's next move is most likely out the door....with perhaps one more NFL shot somewhere else.

So for :cuss:'s sake.....how 'bout we all move on?

You don't have to click on the mock drafts or Richardson threads. Nobody will judge you if you simply skip them.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think the $3m is negligible. The dead money from offseason changes is almost $6m.

But if we get a compensatory 6th, I'd be okay swapping our regular 6th + Trent for someone's 7th. Could actually wind up just being 10-15 spots. And that's why it's probably not gonna happen. I can't imagine any team out there wanting a slow-footed RB for $3m.

 

 

If there were still 20 rounds in the draft , TR would not have any value . Very simple reasoning.. the most he's worth is something less than a good UDRFA. He's 3rd string behind Boom (cut by Cinn and Tipton) and you pay those kind of guys around 450-580 K. Why would you trade for TR and pay him 3,184,000 ? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Bradshaw and Ballard.  Two good backs on injured reserve.  Colts have had some pretty bad luck with these two RB's.  Richardson just didn't live up to what Rigs thought he was getting.  Next year we will see what the brain trust does about our RB's.  Cut Bradshaw and Ballard because they cannot stay healthy?  Cut Richardson is a given.   

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If there were still 20 rounds in the draft , TR would not have any value . Very simple reasoning.. the most he's worth is something less than a good UDRFA. He's 3rd string behind Boom (cut by Cinn and Tipton) and you pay those kind of guys around 450-580 K. Why would you trade for TR and pay him 3,184,000 ?

Because we ask them nicely. The Eagles owe us for the Parkey trade...
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have typed and "erased"  1/2 dozen responses already   :sigh:

 

It sounds like most of you aren't really bothered by the fact that he didn't make it, you just want him off the team anyway.  

 

If his "personal" reason is anything other than a death in the family, then you may get your wishes.   :dunno:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I kinds feel bad for him.

I never liked the trade but Is there something wrong we Trent we don't know about..?

I thought from the beginning when it was clear he had no vision in choosing a run path they should have made him a fullback....he's stout and can't seemed to avoid running into whomever makes penetration.....seems like a recipe for fullback to me. Seriously, something else must be wrong with him as he had the physical skills to be good.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Bradshaw and Ballard.  Two good backs on injured reserve.  Colts have had some pretty bad luck with these two RB's.  Richardson just didn't live up to what Rigs thought he was getting.  Next year we will see what the brain trust does about our RB's.  Cut Bradshaw and Ballard because they cannot stay healthy?  Cut Richardson is a given.   

 

 

Bradshaw is a free agent and Ballard has a base of 660K. So I only agree on the TR cut

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'd be interested in what the personal reasons were, Its very very doubtful that he did not travel with the team just because he sucks, I wonder if it has to do with the interview he gave just a few days ago or something morehttp://www.indystar.com/story/sports/2015/01/15/trent-richardson-its-never-going-to-happen-again/21820391/ .

 

He did kind of get the shaft this year in 3-4 games where he was running well if you look at it objectively, He was well on his way to a good running day but for various reasons we quit running him. I know he has been awful though the majority of the time here so this is not one of them defending Richardson post.......I think most here know where I stand on the matter.....But there was games where we just quit on him he was running well where he could have gained confidence......He clearly has none at this point

 

 

Just my thoughts

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I couldn't imagine him not travelling with the team even if he was being inactive. Definitely seems odd. 

 

Yeah, I've never heard of that before either Dustin unless a back is still recovering from a severe concussion & they have not been cleared by the medical staff. The whole incident is just bizarre. 

The fact that he was solid in the timeshare with Bradshaw makes me think that his attitude got in the way of being part of the team.  I still can't get over that he was productive blocking and catching the ball but after they bye-week TR was never used in that capacity.

 

I thought the writing was on the wall about not being on the roster next year in the Wildcard Game when he didn't see the field.  The illness reason never resonated. He was in uniform and that means he's ready to go. Being inactive in Denver was final straw.  He can't play ST so I'm guessing TR was going to be inactive tomorrow and he said "f-it, I'm not going".  

 

I think you're right about the weight thing too.  But the bottom line is he has no vision and misses holes.  He's done.

Exactly SM, Trent's vision sucks & the only thing he excels at is taking 2 steps & falling down. I owe RB Donald Brown an apology. He played great for INDY his last year. TR is just pathetic on the field. 

 

Unless a really close family member died or is on their death bed, I can't think of a personal reason good enough for him not to be there.

 

I believe "personal reasons" to be code for he was informed he'd be inactive again and he threw a fit. Especially, after Trent was quoted saying something along the lines that he'd never be a healthy scratch again, he even told them to quote him on it.

Part of being a professional is traveling with the team still paying your salary Trent. Way to stay classy Mr. Richardson. Sigh. Good Riddance. CL is right though: A death in the family would be a legit reason to not be on the plane. Good call on that one. Grigs just learn from this & please do not waste any more 1st round draft picks on unresolved, veteran potential prospects. Thank you. 

 

He swore he wouldn't be inactive again and I said that to me it sounded like a thinly veiled threat.

I think that exactly what this is. Trent has been told he was special and one of the greatest since he first picked up a football. Big man on campus in high school and college, taken high in the draft, then reality came knocking and he couldn't play. I don't think he can accept the fact that its his play that kept him out of last weeks game. I think in his mind the coaches are against him.

It's all speculation on my part really, but I know guys like that. Its never their fault, someone is out to ruin them, they are the good guy. Now take that person and have people telling him he's the greatest for most of his life and I think you have Trent.

He doesn't take blame for his failures because he never failed before. Life was a cake walk. Now for the first time in his life he is failing miserably and there is no way it can be his fault, somebody is doing it to him.

Maybe if the Colts tell Trent he won't be starting next season he will get mad and just walk away.

You could be right about that Modern. Perhaps, Pagano & Grigson are the 1st NFL personnel who told Trent that he's not as good as he thought he was. I hope he has a college degree to fall back on because he's done in this league. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

He has zero value, and comes with a $3m price tag. There are a hundred UDFAs who can do what he's done in his career.

If we waive him, someone can claim him, and we shed that salary. But that won't happen. He'd clear waivers. And as het third pick, I'm sure his contract has no offset provision, so we're stuck with the full $3m even if he signs somewhere else.

Prior to this, I was thinking he'd be on the roster next year, because of all that. Early this season, he was somewhat decent as a timeshare back. But now, with him missing the trip for the biggest game of the year, I'm thinking he's outta here.

If he is on the roster, he needs to slim down, at least ten pounds.

They should make him a fullback that only blocks and catches flat passes..if he's a around next year.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Because they're the only threads his name comes up in, right?

:lol::funny:haha:spit:

From what I have seen the mods keep the Trent business on a short leash and I don't recall seeing anyone posting their mock draft in a random thread.

If there is a specific subject you want to discuss then you should start a thread, that's how it works on forums.

I don't really care for mock drafts myself, but others enjoy them so I just leaf through those threads.

On my own forum I don't read over half of what the members post, mods patrol their areas and handle those threads.

If you aren't opening the threads that offend you, which obviously you are because you posted in this one, but if you weren't and just the thread title was making you angry, then I suggest chanting Serenity Now like on Seinfeld.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Wow. It doesn't matter though, we don't need him. Maybe we'll just cut him in the offseason even though we have to pay him. No need in him taking up a roster spot. I had much rather have Ballard next season.

 

ballard hasnt even played in like 2 seasons.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Crazy how you can go from widely-regarded top 5 RB prospect ever to arguably the worst runner in NFL history. NFL shows no mercy.

 

OK,  stat boy.

 

Show me stats that says he's the worst runner in NFL history.

 

And don't just give me average per carry,  we both know that's not the whole story.....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

trent-richardson-stats2.jpg

 

Like I thought,   you couldn't.

 

If you want to make an argument that, as of now,  he's one of the biggest first round flops of all-time,  I wouldn't argue with you.

 

I'd absolutely agree.

 

But worst RB's of all time?     No.    Sorry.

 

By the way,  do you know who is on your list?

 

That would be Leroy Kelly,    Hall of Famer!

 

So much for that list.........

Link to comment
Share on other sites

OK, stat boy.

Show me stats that says he's the worst runner in NFL history.

And don't just give me average per carry, we both know that's not the whole story.....

He has the second worst ypc of any back with 500 carries since the merger.

Now you could find other backs with poor stats and say this guy did this or that worse then Trent, but the fact remains that Trent has the second worst ypc.

Ypc might not matter every game, but over the course of a season it matters.

Name a running back with a low ypc who helps shift momentum in a game or who can help control the clock when needed. There aren't any.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Definitely the right move for the team. Time to move on from Trent. He has had long enough to prove he can produce something and has failed. I wonder if he kicked up a fuss about being a healthy scratch last week and was left back in Indy as a result. Boom is definitely far better than Trent. Denver has one of the best run Ds in the NFL so 2.7 YPC isn't bad. He averaged 4.5 yards on the season. Would like him and another young back to share the load in our backfield in the 2015 season.

 

Boom, spelled by Zurlon is enough to get us to the Super Bowl as long as the players around them are executing at a high level over the next (hopefully) 2 games. And isn't that what matters.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Like I thought,   you couldn't.

 

If you want to make an argument that, as of now,  he's one of the biggest first round flops of all-time,  I wouldn't argue with you.

 

I'd absolutely agree.

 

But worst RB's of all time?     No.    Sorry.

 

By the way,  do you know who is on your list?

 

That would be 

 

Like I thought,   you couldn't.

 

If you want to make an argument that, as of now,  he's one of the biggest first round flops of all-time,  I wouldn't argue with you.

 

I'd absolutely agree.

 

But worst RB's of all time?     No.    Sorry.

 

By the way,  do you know who is on your list?

 

That would be Leroy Kelly,    Hall of Famer!

 

So much for that list.........

 

 

Leroy Kelly has a career 4.3 YPC and won the rushing title twice.

 

You're argument is pretty awful when you have to exclude arguably the most important stats for RBs out of the equation. That's like going "Oh you think [blank QB] is inaccurate?, go ahead and make the argument, but don't bring up completion%". 

 

Your post, much like Trent Richardson, was awful.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'd be interested in what the personal reasons were, Its very very doubtful that he did not travel with the team just because he sucks, I wonder if it has to do with the interview he gave just a few days ago or something morehttp://www.indystar.com/story/sports/2015/01/15/trent-richardson-its-never-going-to-happen-again/21820391/ .

 

He did kind of get the shaft this year in 3-4 games where he was running well if you look at it objectively, He was well on his way to a good running day but for various reasons we quit running him. I know he has been awful though the majority of the time here so this is not one of them defending Richardson post.......I think most here know where I stand on the matter.....But there was games where we just quit on him he was running well where he could have gained confidence......He clearly has none at this point

 

 

Just my thoughts

Thanks for the link to the INDY Star article Gavin. I'm big on tone, demeanor, eye contact, & body language. I wish I could see Trent's body language when he said this "That situation will never happen to me again," he said of being inactive. "Anybody can quote me, today, because it's never going to happen again." Visual cues don't lie regardless of what a person states publicly.

 

I wanna see if he feels like he's being railroaded & unfairly treated or not. Does he blame himself or the coaching staff for his nonexistent player's role on the team? Just thinking outloud I guess. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Wow..This get's better each week.

 

I'm just glad the staff has the guts to do what needs to be done

This does not preclude the possibility of him travelling alone, in a clandestine manner and under cover of darkness.  Maybe Pagano is taking a page out of Belichick's book and attempting to get into the Pats' heads.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Lakers avoid sweep, Celtics win big to go up 2-1. Pacers have a huge Game 4 coming up. Pacers need to go up 3-1 and not let the Bucks hang around.
    • So Akhello Witherspoon is 29 and Xavien Howard is 30. I think you could sign either to a deal, maybe even 2 years if you really wanted too and front load the first year. That would fill the CB spot that we missed out on in the draft. Give our young CBs someone to learn from.
    • Nice, well thought out post Scott. Agree with a lot of what you say! 
    • Yes. Facing tough competition is always a positive. It's not the be-all-end-all to succeeding in the NFL, but it's a very important factor. I'll give credit to @John Hammonds for mentioning that in his article! 
    • Okay, I'll bite and give my $0.02 opinion...........lol   OLine:   Bortolini - (RAS: 9.77 - so high-level athlete AND productive) Played everything but LT in College but grades out as a quality Center. Ryan Kelly on the last year of his contract and we have a younger, cheaper replacement in house for him that COULD likely step in this year if he misses any time. That is a win on three levels imho. Quality depth, long term replacement and lowers the payroll for a few years.  Goncalves - (RAS: 7.70 - not as athletic as some but a FOOTBALL player) Has the lowest RAS in the Tackle room at the moment but I think is destined to be a Guard at the NFL level and Will Fries replacement next off-season. So while they are replacing one rookie contract with another, they still have a year to develop him prior to taking over and letting Fries seek a larger contract elsewhere.  Tucker - (UDFA with a 7.94 RAS) Another guy who played all line spots at Marshall and offers a tremendous amount of versatility in the future. I think he will be on the Practice squad and only be called up if there is an injury, but will eventually be a solid depth piece. Again, not a high RAS but definitely a football player.   I have to say I am intrigued by the UDFA Trent Pennix. He is currently listed as a TE but he played RB/FB/TE at N.C. State and is by far our smallest TE which does not match up with the rest of the room. He is listed at 6'1" and 234lbs with a 4.59 40. Makes me wonder if SS has something up his sleeve for a FB/HB role? The dude is also an athlete with a 9.41 RAS.   WR Room: AD Mitchell immediately slots into the number 2 spot alongside Pittman and with Downs in the slot. Keep his meds right and that is scary good!  Loaved the Anthony Gould pick as well.........slides into that gadget guy role with his 4.39 speed AND the added benefit of being one of the most productive kick returners in college the past few years. That is a win win on many levels because we don't have to use a projected 'starter' to return kicks, he automatically becomes Downs backup and SS can use him like he wanted to use that dude who got himself cut that we had last year that didn't pan out! Ha!    Secondary:   Simpson, while not a RAS warrior (Only a 7.40) was uber productive and was rated out as one of the best CFer types in the draft at Free Safety. I think we can all agree that Thomas took a step back last year and Cross, though taking a step forward was still not up to par. It's not out of the realm of possibilities that Simpson could end up the starter at some point early to mid-season?   Abraham, again not a RAS warrior at a 3.70.............he was all over the place making tackles, PBU's and INT's for Marshall. At Kenny Moore's size he could be a viable back-up (instead of Lammons) and a future replacement after Moore's contract expires. Has the family bloodlines (Donnie Abraham is his father - Bucs Tampa-2 hey days) so has probably been well coached his whole life and his dad was successful at that same size.   Linebackers:   I am REALLY excited about the draft pick (Carlies) but also the UDFA (Young) we signed. 6'3" - 227 - 34.25" arms - 4.53 40 - 8.26 RAS for the Draftee 6'3" - 226 - 33" arms - 4.56 40 - 7.04 RAS for the UDFA Pretty similar athletic profiles and also pretty similar to the athletic blueprint used in drafting Leonard/Okereke/Speed. Carlies started in college at CB, then Safety and now will be called upon to play LB for us. Young went to Ohio State and then transferred to Kansas and had some decent production and can see him supplanting one of McGrone, Olubi or Stuard pretty easily with a solid camp.   Defensive Line   Latu - I don't care about his injury history as EVERY NFL Player is one play away from not playing again. He is a stud and I think a day one starter at the LEO for us (Sorry Samson Ebukam fans). Laulu - Has the athletic profile (with development) to be a 3-Technique and be a solid option with Raekwon Davis as depth behind Big Grove and Buck. Likely not this year unless he shows out in camp but a stint on the PS should get him some seasoning. The UDFA DT out of Oklahoma (Coe) could be an improvement over Eric Johnson as well since his primary role was Big Groves backup and obviously did not perform well when thrust into action as a run stopper. Coe benched 225 for 34 reps so he has some strength/endurance to him, and he is two inches shorter and weighs 12 pounds more so may come with better leverage????    The thing that stands out to me is that this draft they didn't draft all RAS Warriors - they drafted football players. The average RAS this year came out to 8.30. They drafted players that in spite of their physical 'floor' that produced on the field. That may be an important level of growth we've not seen from CB in the past but could be a boon for the roster construction of the team moving forward.   PFF graded this draft as an A+, hard to argue with folks who evaluate players for a living, but, I am going to temper my excitement a bit. LOL   What I liked about this off-season is that all 25 starters from last year are still with the team. 11 on offense, 11 on defense and all 3 specialists. This draft was about two things - finding a stud WR (Check) and providing depth and competition on the OLine, the DLine, the LB room, and the DB room. So while I only see one sure-fire starter I think 1-53 just got a heckuva lot better this weekend!   My Grade:  B+ with the ability to become an A if one other player (Simpson perhaps?) turns into a quality starter this year.  A+ if Bortolini and Gonclaves turn into starters next year.    Sidenote - Zaire Franklin, not unlike Laulu were 7th Round flyers that had high RAS scores and Franklin does not fit the mold of CB's preferred measurements on linebackers. Not saying he will get supplanted but don't be surprised if he is not on the field on third and long as much anymore. Just food for thought.....  
  • Members

×
×
  • Create New...