Werner Yesterday

[Dark Superman]

I really hope that this guy is injured by the performance he put in yesterday. His pass rushing skills looked absolutely dreadful.. I know he shines against the run from time to time, but we drafted him as a pass rushing linebacker. I'm sorry, but I am very disappointed in Bjoern and I have never been a fan of the draft pick. I really hope he turns it around..

[chrisfarley]

Denver has a better line, we need him to produce a pass-rush next week something awful.  He should have a better game--all it will take is to look at the replay of the Cincy game and that should get him motivated.

[Dustin]

Yeah he's an awful pass rusher.

[lollygagger8]

Werner's play was absolutely abysmal yesterday, and was a non factor. 

 

Looking at the stat sheet, you would think he didn't even play. 

[HtownColt]

He had a shoulder injury

[Valpo2004]

After 2 years he's still failed to justify his draft status.  I believe the standard is 3 years before you can call someone a bust, so he has one more year to turn it around.

[lennymoore24]

In watch Werner, here is my theory.  He was a good rush end at FS because he would get in a 4 point stance or 3 point and was usually the first guy off the ball.  So he didn't really have moves, he just got the first step.  Ok, so standing him up takes away his advantage on the first step, which makes him a pretty ordinary pass rusher. He needs to learn more pass rushing moves.

[RockThatBlue]

Werner's play was absolutely abysmal yesterday, and was a non factor.

Looking at the stat sheet, you would think he didn't even play.

I honestly think Newsome had more snaps than Werner yesterday. I noticed Newsome in a lot. Would be interested to see the snap count.

But yes Werner was pretty bad.

[Yoshinator]

Does anyone know how many snaps Newsome and Werner both got yesterday? It seems that Newsome wasn't in the game nearly enough, but maybe I wasn't looking hard enough.

[Yoshinator]

I honestly think Newsome had more snaps than Werner yesterday. I noticed Newsome in a lot. Would be interested to see the snap count.

But yes Werner was pretty bad.

You beat me to it!

[Superman]

Does anyone know how many snaps Newsome and Werner both got yesterday? It seems that Newsome wasn't in the game nearly enough, but maybe I wasn't looking hard enough.

 

Werner 36, Newsome 24.

[Dustin]

In watch Werner, here is my theory.  He was a good rush end at FS because he would get in a 4 point stance or 3 point and was usually the first guy off the ball.  So he didn't really have moves, he just got the first step.  Ok, so standing him up takes away his advantage on the first step, which makes him a pretty ordinary pass rusher. He needs to learn more pass rushing moves.

 

He has his hand in the dirt the majority of the time...

[Dustin]

Does anyone know how many snaps Newsome and Werner both got yesterday? It seems that Newsome wasn't in the game nearly enough, but maybe I wasn't looking hard enough.

 

Werner-36

Newsome-24

[Superman]

Werner's play was absolutely abysmal yesterday, and was a non factor. 

 

Looking at the stat sheet, you would think he didn't even play. 

 

He was fine against the run, except for the reverse. Pass rush was bad, worse than usual. He has a shoulder injury, so there's a little bit of an excuse, but he didn't play well. Studebaker could have done his job yesterday...

[Yoshinator]

Werner 36, Newsome 24.

 

Werner-36

Newsome-24

Appreciate it you guys. I think we should reverse that next week.

[Yoshinator]

He was fine against the run, except for the reverse. Pass rush was bad, worse than usual. He has a shoulder injury, so there's a little bit of an excuse, but he didn't play well. Studebaker could have done his job yesterday...

That reverse play with burkhead looked bad, werner got embarrased there.

[Superman]

That reverse play with burkhead looked bad, werner got embarrased there.

 

Meh, it was a reverse. The entire defense went with the initial action. Butler and the two inside linebackers were halfway across the field. Good play design, Werner could have shown more awareness, but I don't think it was that bad. 

[Yoshinator]

Meh, it was a reverse. The entire defense went with the initial action. Butler and the two inside linebackers were halfway across the field. Good play design, Werner could have shown more awareness, but I don't think it was that bad. 

I'm probably overreacting because it was a 23 yard play as their first play and it looked like Werner was the only one there to stop it. I'm just kinda worried that he's a bust. It's a shame, he looked like he was improving the first half the season. Hopefully his performance was due to injury yesterday.

[DoubleE Colt]

Werner didn't have a good game yesterday but some people are happy to jump all over some players. He's improved from his rookie year imo and I think it will be fairer to judge more the end of next season. He's had a lot to learn and adjust to from his college career.

[Superman]

I'm probably overreacting because it was a 23 yard play as their first play and it looked like Werner was the only one there to stop it. I'm just kinda worried that he's a bust. It's a shame, he looked like he was improving the first half the season. Hopefully his performance was due to injury yesterday.

 

He's evidently not the pass rusher we hoped. I generally shy away from the word bust, but if he can't rush the passer, there's no question that he doesn't justify the first round pick we used on him.

[pgt_rob]

Did not even notice him yesterday.

[dw49]

He's evidently not the pass rusher we hoped. I generally shy away from the word bust, but if he can't rush the passer, there's no question that he doesn't justify the first round pick we used on him.

 

 

Yeah.. every team has some of those guys.

[Superman]

Yeah.. every team has some of those guys.

 

Every team. Problem is, we have two, back to back.

[CanuckColt]

Werner was playing hurt, but he still never showed anything this year remotely approaching 1st round talent.

I hope Chuck doesn't influence Grigson to reach for this level of D player in the 1st and 2nd rounds this year just to build his "monster" while there are still 1st/2nd round talent on the board at other positions.

[dw49]

Every team. Problem is, we have two, back to back.

 

 

I hear you . The rolling ball of butcher knives was for sure pretty brutal. Looks to me like there's no way we don't opt to just pay and release him in 2015. 

[MTC]

Jerry Hughes 2.0

 

I'll bet Werner will do much better on another team. 

[BOTT]

His pass rushing yesterday is par for the course. He gets handled easily the vast majority of the time

[ThaCaliColt]

I think he's a good tackler, athletic and plays the run well. Clearly, he's not going to be a reliable pass rusher...

[Dark Superman]

In watch Werner, here is my theory.  He was a good rush end at FS because he would get in a 4 point stance or 3 point and was usually the first guy off the ball.  So he didn't really have moves, he just got the first step.  Ok, so standing him up takes away his advantage on the first step, which makes him a pretty ordinary pass rusher. He needs to learn more pass rushing moves.

So do you think we should move him to DE? So he can have his hand in the dirt

[Dark Superman]

I think he's a good tackler, athletic and plays the run well. Clearly, he's not going to be a reliable pass rusher...

Sadly, we need him as a pass rusher since mathis is out

[Dark Superman]

Jerry Hughes 2.0

 

I'll bet Werner will do much better on another team.

He might be more suitable as a 4-3 DE.

[BOTT]

So do you think we should move him to DE? So he can have his hand in the dirt

He often has his hand in the dirt

[Dark Superman]

Did not even notice him yesterday.

I did and he was being man handled and showed absolutely no explosion or effort..

[BOTT]

I think he's a good tackler, athletic and plays the run well. Clearly, he's not going to be a reliable pass rusher...

Athletic is not a word I would use to describe Werner

[Dark Superman]

Meh, it was a reverse. The entire defense went with the initial action. Butler and the two inside linebackers were halfway across the field. Good play design, Werner could have shown more awareness, but I don't think it was that bad.

Yeah, I agree. I saw like five colts players who all looked like a deer in headlights. They just weren't prepared for it.

[Dark Superman]

Yeah he's an awful pass rusher.

Unfortunately.

[Dark Superman]

He often has his hand in the dirt

His fourth year he will probably be awesome and then command a big contract. Or Grigson will trade him for a horrible MLB.

[cbear]

Maybe they experiment with him at DE during the off season.  Or he backs up Walden since playing the run is more his strength.  Bust or not, he's ours, so the staff better find the best way to make use of him.

[jameszeigler834]

I really hope that this guy is injured by the performance he put in yesterday. His pass rushing skills looked absolutely dreadful.. I know he shines against the run from time to time, but we drafted him as a pass rushing linebacker. I'm sorry, but I am very disappointed in Bjoern and I have never been a fan of the draft pick. I really hope he turns it around..

What do you expect he is more of a 4-3 defensive end not a 3-4 outside linebacker.

[masterlock]

In watch Werner, here is my theory.  He was a good rush end at FS because he would get in a 4 point stance or 3 point and was usually the first guy off the ball.  So he didn't really have moves, he just got the first step.  Ok, so standing him up takes away his advantage on the first step, which makes him a pretty ordinary pass rusher. He needs to learn more pass rushing moves.

This same criticism was echoed by someone in the media recently, and I agree. I think he has plenty of natural talent, and seems to be a sure-tackler, but maybe he's just better suited to a different position--what, I'm not sure. Maybe SAM?