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On mike and mike they just suggested that an idea is to take away a draft pick because of Irsay getting arrested.  If they did that.  would you want them to pursue Mack more? Or other f/a's 

That is Bull nif they take a draft pick away for the owner getting arrested that arrest had nothing to do with the nfl.

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The argument was that, if a player was to find themselves in a similar situation then they would likely be suspended. Similarly, Sean Payton was suspended for the bounty-gate debacle. These punishments not only hurt the player but hurt the team as well, since they were without one of their players or coaches. 

 

Therefore, it may be considered unfair if Irsay was simply to receive a fine, or maybe a suspension, because this doesn't really affect the team in any way. One way to punish both Irsay and the team would be to take away draft picks.

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The argument was that, if a player was to find themselves in a similar situation then they would likely be suspended. Similarly, Sean Payton was suspended for the bounty-gate debacle. These punishments not only hurt the player but hurt the team as well, since they were without one of their players or coaches. 

 

Therefore, it may be considered unfair if Irsay was simply to receive a fine, or maybe a suspension, because this doesn't really affect the team in any way. One way to punish both Irsay and the team would be to take away draft picks.

 

Yes, but, there is absolutely no precedent for the NFL to take away draft picks based on a non-football-related incident.  The NFL has only used that sanction in things like Bountygate and Spygate, plus tampering cases.

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Irsay has a problem, and he gets a chance like everyone else...owner or not.

 

If they went for draft picks, I would make it the draft pick that is found guilty...his round choice he was picked in.  For example.  JJ Watt...take away 1st round pick.  Harnish...7th.  Owners 1st.

 

BTW...I feel that it is ludicrous to take away draft picks in this case.  Just sayin.....

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Irsay has a problem, and he gets a chance like everyone else...owner or not.

 

If they went for draft picks, I would make it the draft pick that is found guilty...his round choice he was picked in.  For example.  JJ Watt...take away 1st round pick.  Harnish...7th.  Owners 1st.

 

BTW...I feel that it is ludicrous to take away draft picks in this case.  Just sayin.....

Gotta look at source of the idea ,lol they like to hear themselves talk . :spit:

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The argument was that, if a player was to find themselves in a similar situation then they would likely be suspended. Similarly, Sean Payton was suspended for the bounty-gate debacle. These punishments not only hurt the player but hurt the team as well, since they were without one of their players or coaches. 

 

Therefore, it may be considered unfair if Irsay was simply to receive a fine, or maybe a suspension, because this doesn't really affect the team in any way. One way to punish both Irsay and the team would be to take away draft picks.

 

I was reading an article on nfl.com saying a suspension could hurt the team. Apparently in order to get high priced players Grigson needs to get Irsay's approval and if he is suspended he could not. Now, not unless we go after someone like Mack I don't really see any other high priced player we would be going after.

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Just because a person has money, doesn't mean a fine doesn't hurt.  I think a fine and mandatory rehab makes more sense.  Just like in the case with the Saints, if they did suspend him, he can just hand over control of approval to his daughter or someone else.  So that wouldn't do anything.

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Just because a person has money, doesn't mean a fine doesn't hurt. I think a fine and mandatory rehab makes more sense. Just like in the case with the Saints, if they did suspend him, he can just hand over control of approval to his daughter or someone else. So that wouldn't do anything.

I don't care who you are, hundreds of thousands of dollars is a lot of money.

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That is Bull nif they take a draft pick away for the owner getting arrested that arrest had nothing to do with the nfl.

 

 

They have a precident.  SF owner was convicted of felony fraud (not related to football operations) a few years ago, and the team lost draft picks.  What would be the difference in Irsay's case?

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Maybe if they have to take a draft pick away, they can have our first round pick....which is residing in Cleveland.  I hope they don't take another one.  If they do take a draft pick, and we have to sign another big name FA, we are going to be in serious cap trouble when it comes time to pay Luck, and the rest who are on their first contracts.

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They have a precident.  SF owner was convicted of felony fraud (not related to football operations) a few years ago, and the team lost draft picks.  What would be the difference in Irsay's case?

 

NO it's not not a precedent.

 

Different crimes are punished differently, that would be the difference. 

 

In the SF case he willingly tried to backhand a Governor to seek an advantage in obtaining a casino license, he only co-operated when the jig was up. That was a cynical criminal action, Jim's is more a act criminal stupidity. 

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They have a precident.  SF owner was convicted of felony fraud (not related to football operations) a few years ago, and the team lost draft picks.  What would be the difference in Irsay's case?

 

I don't recall this happening.  I recall DeBartolo being fined seven figures and effectively being forced out.

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The only times a team has been punished has been when there's been a competitive advantage perceived to have happened.

 

Spygate - Cheating by filming the other team

 

Bountygate - Cheating by trying to hurt/injure the other team

 

49ers Tampering - Trying to get around free agency rules.

 

There is ZERO chance the team will be impacted, other than by the impact that will come from Irsay's 30 day suspension and $5M fine.

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1. This is unrelated to the product on the field.

2. If a person has a problem, you cannot just look to HURT them as badly as possible. It won't help.

3. Nobody else was involved. Other posters say since the saints lost draft picks that makes sense? The entire organization, players, coaches, FO, all knew and participated. Including Brees as much as he'd lie to deny it. This was Irsay by himself doing nothing that involves football, or the organization, or players, or FO, and without anyone knowing he was doing it.

Taking a draft pick would be unfair, dumb, and counterproductive.

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I was reading an article on nfl.com saying a suspension could hurt the team. Apparently in order to get high priced players Grigson needs to get Irsay's approval and if he is suspended he could not. Now, not unless we go after someone like Mack I don't really see any other high priced player we would be going after.

 

I imagine he'd still be able to call or something though, right? Or they'd just sort it before he left. It's not like they won't have already had a conversation about any potential high priced signings that they may potentially be interested in. I don't see a suspension causing a lot of trouble in that regard.

 

Yes, but, there is absolutely no precedent for the NFL to take away draft picks based on a non-football-related incident.  The NFL has only used that sanction in things like Bountygate and Spygate, plus tampering cases.

 

I'm just conveying the reasons that were given on Mike and Mike. But I guess every precedent has to be set at some point.

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I don't think they will take a way a draft pick. That would be unprecedented, like bavanlan explained above. IF they will punish the team at all, I could see them perhaps doing a salary cap penalty. But that is also highly unlikely.

 

I'm expecting anywhere from 1-6 months suspension, $250k-$1M fine for Mr. Irsay, and a 30-60-day mandatory rehab program. I don't see how Mr. Goodell would justify doing much more than that.

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That would be stupid. It would be like a regular person having their house taken away by the government when they get convicted even though there is a fully functional family still living there. You are just punishing innocent bystanders for one person's actions. And just like the house, the team has nothing to do with the crime. it is just an unjustified and targeted attack with no viable purpose. So no, draft picks won't be lost.

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They have a precident.  SF owner was convicted of felony fraud (not related to football operations) a few years ago, and the team lost draft picks.  What would be the difference in Irsay's case?

That is stupid. That has nothing to do with football and they are not punishing the owner if they do that they are punishing the team and that's not right.

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I could see Irsay removing himself from Operations with the team and beginning a rehab program. Something also with Pain management.
Goddell would Rubberstamp it and take some time to review this.

 A 6 month suspension with Goodell reviewing at the end of it it seems logical. At least a $1 Million fine directed towards the issue. Maybe $5M over several years towards a program would fit? Irsay i think will Want to do something Meaningful.

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I was reading an article on nfl.com saying a suspension could hurt the team. Apparently in order to get high priced players Grigson needs to get Irsay's approval and if he is suspended he could not. Now, not unless we go after someone like Mack I don't really see any other high priced player we would be going after.

 

Before Irsay gets officially suspended, he and Grigson will come to some understanding about spending and what Grigson can and can't do.    Plus, one of the daughters will take over the operation.   The Colts will not be a franchise that is stuck floundering because Irsay is suspended.

 

This can be managed and handled properly.

 

Irsay will be punished -- suspension and fine -- but I do NOT see the team being punished.   Makes no sense.

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