o-line needs

[BPM_Colt]

Have to upgrade the center position. That alone would upgrade the line tremendously.

[rock8591]

What about Ryan Lilja or Ryan Diem back to play Guard?

 

Diem is 35 now, but has 330 lbs to use.

[dudeski]

What about Ryan Lilja or Ryan Diem back to play Guard?

Diem is 35 now, but has 330 lbs to use.

thats a joke right

[Bleedin Blue]

I don't think you can take the field with a walker. Seriously though...those guys are past their prime. We are also getting a seasoned guard back next year and Thorton won't be a rookie anymore. If we can get another good guard or center in free agency then great.

[throwing BBZ]

You can beg to differ on Castanzo all you want, thats your opinion...you're wrong...but hey, it's your opinion so you're entitled to it. 

 

Actually Castonzo was much the Same as his first two years when he was one of the Worst pass blocking left tackles in the NFL.

Andrew just got rid of the ball quicker, much more often. Unfortunately Castonzo was NO LONGER a guy we could count on with his run blocking. These are the FACTS!

ANYONE who suggests McGlynn could be on our Roster next season is a Million miles beyond Hopeless.

 

Our GM completely BLEW FA & the draft fixing our O-Line. He reached with Thornton who finished as a PFF -15, one of the WORST Guards in the NFL. Nice Reach Griggs.

What did he not see in a Forum Favorite Road Grader Warford? Who also gave up ZERO Sacks this season.

[AntonMcG]

Actually Castonzo was much the Same as his first two years when he was one of the Worst pass blocking left tackles in the NFL.

Andrew just got rid of the ball quicker, much more often. Unfortunately Castonzo was NO LONGER a guy we could count on with his run blocking. These are the FACTS!

ANYONE who suggests McGlynn could be on our Roster next season is a Million miles beyond Hopeless.

 

Our GM completely BLEW FA & the draft fixing our O-Line. He reached with Thornton who finished as a PFF -15, one of the WORST Guards in the NFL. Nice Reach Griggs.

What did he not see in a Forum Favorite Road Grader Warford? Who also gave up ZERO Sacks this season.

 

Still annoys me that we didn't go for Warford.

[lollygagger8]

Why do I have this unsettling feeling that McGlynn will be back next year? 

 

[ztboiler]

I really think we might have pieces already. If Holmes can play center or even McGlynn. Ac, Thomas, McGlynn, Thorton, Cherilus . If Thorton continues to improve and McGlynn plays like we have seen him play at center that line is probably top 12. This way we don't break the bank and pick up some great defensive players.

Yep.  I think you are right.

 

It always makes more sense to develop the talent you have - if you believe they have the talent - and let a team be and become a team.  We played well enough with McGlynn at center to feel very good about allowing Holmes to develop.  This staff likely believes that Holmes has more talent than every free agent on the market aside from Mack (that doesn't make him a better player TODAY, obviously) - so, if you want to be great, not just good, in 3 years, you bring Holmes along and support him with a guy like McGlynn.  

 

As for Thornton, I don't see how anyone could project him as anything but a starter.  He showed power, movement skills, mental toughness/improvement and competitive fire as a rookie.  As a GM you have to roll the dice some on improvement, based on reasonable projections or you end up with a collection of individual parts and not a team - and an expensive collection of individual parts at that.

 

Back the young guys up with proven vets like Willie Colon and you are good to go.  As talented as Joe Reitz is - the concussions indicate that being an interior lineman is not in his future - I think this staff will invest in more guys like Xavier Nixon while keeping a guy like Link as your 9th lineman.  

 

Fans don't like it because we want some sort of signed guarantee that it will all be better next year, but I sure hope that Grigs stays committed to the sound fundamentals he has used thus far.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

And I'm not even sure this is true. I think most people base this on a injured Holmes getting pushed around by Star Lotueleli in college and his low number of reps on the bench press at the combine.....even though he was forced to stop thanks to injured pec.

 This is in drafting reports on Holmes are you a fan of a guy who never saw the field & think he is our savior at center. If so what do you base it on?

[Balzer40]

Still annoys me that we didn't go for Warford.

 

 

 

Me too. I took a bunch of grief for suggesting we should draft him with our 1st rd. pick because "supposedly" he wasn't a 1st rder. according to many here...except he was the best o-lineman that came out of last yrs. draft.

[Jason_]

Me too. I took a bunch of grief for suggesting we should draft him with our 1st rd. pick because "supposedly" he wasn't a 1st rder. according to many here...except he was the best o-lineman that came out of last yrs. draft.

 

I can certainly understand the desire to maximize the value of every draft pick possible.  However that works far better in theory (and Madden) than in real life.  

[CanuckColt]

Easy.  Just get rid of freakin' Satele and good things will happen.

[ztboiler]

Me too. I took a bunch of grief for suggesting we should draft him with our 1st rd. pick because "supposedly" he wasn't a 1st rder. according to many here...except he was the best o-lineman that came out of last yrs. draft.

The hindsight on Warford's performance doesn't validate the foresight that he would have been a good pick for us in the 1st unless you look at it in a vacuum.  Guard wasn't on Grigson's radar in 1st - more than likely - unless Cooper or Warmack slid.  When you look at Werner and the other CB, DL, WR, & S talent that was on the board, there was just not practical way we were getting to Warford.  Had we had a 2nd Rd. pick.....

[Balzer40]

The hindsight on Warford's performance doesn't validate the foresight that he would have been a good pick for us in the 1st unless you look at it in a vacuum.  Guard wasn't on Grigson's radar in 1st - more than likely - unless Cooper or Warmack slid.  When you look at Werner and the other CB, DL, WR, & S talent that was on the board, there was just not practical way we were getting to Warford.  Had we had a 2nd Rd. pick.....

 

 

 

 

It may be true that Grigson didn't have guard on the radar after Cooper and Warmack, but what I was saying was all those here on the forum that kept telling me that he wasn't worth a 1st rd. pick. Heck all you had to do was watch this guy's film, and it was evident that he was the 2nd best power o-lineman in the draft. One could argue the 1st best power lineman with the benefit of hindsight. 

 

My argument was that obviously guard was the biggest need on the roster last season, and it isn't some crazy suggestion you draft your biggest need 10-15 spots early because there may not be a chance to get that guy later on.  When a guy is a projected early 2nd rder. who cares if you draft him in the late 1st?

 

This was my argument last yr. when saying we should take him with our pick regardless of whether some think it's too early or not. There shouldn't be any argument, he would have made a much bigger impact than Werner did. Yeah, once again, hindsight and all, but it just goes to show...people shouldn't put so much emphasis on where the supposed experts project players to go.

[Jason_]

people shouldn't put so much emphasis on where the supposed experts project players to go.

 

Dallas (Travis Frederick) and Chicago (Kyle Long) sure didn't care and things worked out pretty well for them.  

[ztboiler]

It may be true that Grigson didn't have guard on the radar after Cooper and Warmack, but what I was saying was all those here on the forum that kept telling me that he wasn't worth a 1st rd. pick. Heck all you had to do was watch this guy's film, and it was evident that he was the 2nd best power o-lineman in the draft. One could argue the 1st best power lineman with the benefit of hindsight. 

 

My argument was that obviously guard was the biggest need on the roster last season, and it isn't some crazy suggestion you draft your biggest need 10-15 spots early because there may not be a chance to get that guy later on.  When a guy is a projected early 2nd rder. who cares if you draft him in the late 1st?

 

This was my argument last yr. when saying we should take him with our pick regardless of whether some think it's too early or not. There shouldn't be any argument, he would have made a much bigger impact than Werner did. Yeah, once again, hindsight and all, but it just goes to show...people shouldn't put so much emphasis on where the supposed experts project players to go.

I agree that your point is valid and, believe it or not, I remember when you said Warford should be considered with our 1st - turns out to be a heckuva good call on your part.  I doubt that Grigson would disagree with you - even though he may legitimately still believe in value of Werner over the long haul at a premium position. On the merits of valuing players over picks....there is no argument against it right now on that merit.

 

Unfortunately, there is also no real world scenario where we would have used our first round pick on Warford, either...and he falls into the category of future all-pro players in every draft that every GM wishes they'd have taken ealier than the team that drafted them.

[Coffeedrinker]

I bet Grigson will bring in Danny Watkins to replace McGlynn.

 

Thomas was good, not great, but I don't think he can be counted on... he has only been available for all 16 games twice in 6 seasons.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

I bet Grigson will bring in Danny Watkins to replace McGlynn.

 

Thomas was good, not great, but I don't think he can be counted on... he has only been available for all 16 games twice in 6 seasons.

Is Watkins any good HMMM?

[dudeski]

Is Watkins any good HMMM?

no

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

no

Thats what i thought!

[cbear]

I hope every single post said new center.  Preferably one who can stay upright throughout the play.

[Superman]

I bet Grigson will bring in Danny Watkins .

Is that snark? Not sure why anyone would want Danny Watkins...

[a06cc]

Actually Castonzo was much the Same as his first two years when he was one of the Worst pass blocking left tackles in the NFL.

Andrew just got rid of the ball quicker, much more often. Unfortunately Castonzo was NO LONGER a guy we could count on with his run blocking. These are the FACTS!

ANYONE who suggests McGlynn could be on our Roster next season is a Million miles beyond Hopeless.

Our GM completely BLEW FA & the draft fixing our O-Line. He reached with Thornton who finished as a PFF -15, one of the WORST Guards in the NFL. Nice Reach Griggs.

What did he not see in a Forum Favorite Road Grader Warford? Who also gave up ZERO Sacks this season.

Thank you! I'm not the only one who thought AC was playing badly this season. The Rams game really proved it this season. Move him to guard and get a real left tackle. Let him walk next season

[BOTT]

This is in drafting reports on Holmes are you a fan of a guy who never saw the field & think he is our savior at center. If so what do you base it on?

Yes. I believe he is the next Dwight Stephenson. And I base it on his cello playing ability. All the great centers are great cello players.

[dudeski]

Thank you! I'm not the only one who thought AC was playing badly this season. The Rams game really proved it this season. Move him to guard and get a real left tackle. Let him walk next season

let me guess, the ravens should have dumped Ogden because freeney gave him fits

[a06cc]

let me guess, the ravens should have dumped Ogden because freeney gave him fits

Glad you brought up the Ravens. Last playoff game he got beat straight up by a blitzing corner. That was pathetic plain and simple. I used the Rams game because that was my finally straw on him. He isn't going to get any better. Left tackles have to be able to handle one on ones. He can't, we had a tight end on his side helping all season long. We missed out on a LT in free agency. Talks among coaches were to move him to the right side. Tell me I'm wrong?

[dudeski]

Glad you brought up the Ravens. Last playoff game he got beat straight up by a blitzing corner. That was pathetic plain and simple. I used the Rams game because that was my finally straw on him. He isn't going to get any better. Left tackles have to be able to handle one on ones. He can't, we had a tight end on his side helping all season long. We missed out on a LT in free agency. Talks among coaches were to move him to the right side. Tell me I'm wrong?

you are wrong

[Gavin]

Glad you brought up the Ravens. Last playoff game he got beat straight up by a blitzing corner. That was pathetic plain and simple. I used the Rams game because that was my finally straw on him. He isn't going to get any better. Left tackles have to be able to handle one on ones. He can't, we had a tight end on his side helping all season long. We missed out on a LT in free agency. Talks among coaches were to move him to the right side. Tell me I'm wrong?

Go back and watch how he dominated Aldon and Justin Smith....With no help

[a06cc]

Go back and watch how he dominated Aldon and Justin Smith....With no help

Aldon wasn't dominated at all. That was all Andrew Luck. I have a few people on this forum who know that Castonzo is terrible. We didn't even run the ball on his side that game. Bradshaw's runs we're mostly on the right side off the right tackle. Our only good piece on the line.

[a06cc]

you are wrong

We also had a chance of losing the playoff game thanks to him. Justin Houston before he went off with an injury was beating him all day and on every snap.

[Gavin]

We also had a chance of losing the playoff game thanks to him. Justin Houston before he went off with an injury was beating him all day and on every snap.

lol

[esmort]

We also had a chance of losing the playoff game thanks to him. Justin Houston before he went off with an injury was beating him all day and on every snap.

 

You are picking some of the best pass rushers in the NFL ... of course he is going to have trouble with them.  How many LTs would Mathis eat alive if they leave him one on one.

[a06cc]

You are picking some of the best pass rushers in the NFL ... of course he is going to have trouble with them. How many LTs would Mathis eat alive if they leave him one on one.

Justin Houston was playing hurt and was beating him. He had to go out because he hurt himself further. And elite LT can handle elite pass rushers on one on ones. That's the truth and it's fact. Yes they'll get beat sometimes. Not nearly as much as Castonzo however.

[DoubleE Colt]

I've no particular knowledge of the situation regarding talk amongst coaches of moving AC to the right side or when these conversations happened. But how does that then fit in the fact we went and made Cherilus one of the best paid RT out there?

[dudeski]

Aldon wasn't dominated at all. That was all Andrew Luck. I have a few people on this forum who know that Castonzo is terrible. We didn't even run the ball on his side that game. Bradshaw's runs we're mostly on the right side off the right tackle. Our only good piece on the line.

wrong again

[dudeski]

lol

the guy watches a completely different game

[dudeski]

You are picking some of the best pass rushers in the NFL ... of course he is going to have trouble with them. How many LTs would Mathis eat alive if they leave him one on one.

not to mention the wrong ones

[Coffeedrinker]

Is Watkins any good HMMM?

 

 

Is that snark? Not sure why anyone would want Danny Watkins...

No it's not a snark and no he is not any good.  He's considered a first round bust and is more interested in being a fireman than playing football.  But, it's like McGlynn, he had Grigs have a history.

[Coffeedrinker]

Glad you brought up the Ravens. Last playoff game he got beat straight up by a blitzing corner. That was pathetic plain and simple. I used the Rams game because that was my finally straw on him. He isn't going to get any better. Left tackles have to be able to handle one on ones. He can't, we had a tight end on his side helping all season long. We missed out on a LT in free agency. Talks among coaches were to move him to the right side. Tell me I'm wrong?

You're wrong.  In so many ways.

 

One, He wins 90% of his one on one battles.

Two:  The Colts did not have a TE on his side helping all season long.  Did a TE lineup on his side sometimes, of course, players move around.  But I'd estimate it at less than 20% of the snaps did AC have a TE next to him.

Three:  He's improved every year so to make a comment that he isn't going to get any better is pretty assinine.

Four:  Since I'm not in the coaches meetings I annot say definitively that they had not talked about moving him to the right side but that seems highly unlikely considering he did not have any practice reps at RT nor did he play RT in any preseason games.

 

If you don't like AC that is fine, but try not liking him for facts and not things that you make up in your head.

[OLD FAN MAN]

You're wrong.  In so many ways.

 

One, He wins 90% of his one on one battles.

Two:  The Colts did not have a TE on his side helping all season long.  Did a TE lineup on his side sometimes, of course, players move around.  But I'd estimate it at less than 20% of the snaps did AC have a TE next to him.

Three:  He's improved every year so to make a comment that he isn't going to get any better is pretty assinine.

Four:  Since I'm not in the coaches meetings I annot say definitively that they had not talked about moving him to the right side but that seems highly unlikely considering he did not have any practice reps at RT nor did he play RT in any preseason games.

 

If you don't like AC that is fine, but try not liking him for facts and not things that you make up in your head.

coffee you have made some good posts on the o-line topic and I value your opinion,can a different blocking system as  some on here are for, such as zone blocking , solve our line problems with the current players?