if we put jerrell freeman

[12isthenew18]

on a second round tender would there be any takers

[21isSuperman]

I don't think so.  Guys like Denzel Perryman are being listed as 2nd rounders, so I don't think a team would give up a 2nd rounder for Freeman

[Gavin]

Its likely Freeman will be right back here next year and healthy to, Do to his age and position I don't think anyone would want to give up anything for him and the tender amount will be very reasonable for what he brings to the table when healthy I think

[12isthenew18]

Its likely Freeman will be right back here next year and healthy to, Do to his age and position I don't think anyone would want to give up anything for him and the tender amount will be very reasonable for what he brings to the table when healthy I think

he's 29

[bertjones#1]

I would like Freeman more if he was a weakside linebacker in a 4-3 defense .Don't think he's a good fit in our 3-4 . I don't think he's terrible I think he's average or a hair above. Sure wish he was taller. I do think he'll be back next year.

[BOTT]

No. No one would even think of giving up a second for Freeman

[throwing BBZ]

on a second round tender would there be any takers

 

 I wonder if Freeman thinks he would be better off under a different co-ordinator/scheme, perhaps another team will be interested. He can play some pretty good FB.

[COLTS449]

I'm hoping we grab Perryman in the 2nd to replace one of Free or DQ, but most likely both will be back. If I were Grigs I would even consider Rolando McCain. I wouldn't expect a team to give up their 2nd for Free, but who knows, there isn't many ILB's to pick from in FA baring any cuts. There's only a couple good ones in the draft too.

[BOTT]

I'm hoping we grab Perryman in the 2nd to replace one of Free or DQ, but most likely both will be back. If I were Grigs I would even consider Rolando McCain. I wouldn't expect a team to give up their 2nd for Free, but who knows, there isn't many ILB's to pick from in FA baring any cuts. There's only a couple good ones in the draft too.

I'm intrigued by Bruce Carter

[COLTS449]

I'm intrigued by Bruce Carter

 

Oh yeah I forgot about Carter. I would love for Grigs to bring him in.

[Cribbsfaircatch]

I think we need to move to a 4-3. Maybe then you'd get something out of Werner. Our personnel seems to be more 4-3 than 3-4.

[peytonmanning18]

I think we need to move to a 4-3. Maybe then you'd get something out of Werner. Our personnel seems to be more 4-3 than 3-4.

We've spent 3 years trying to build a 3-4 defense, we're not switching back now

[COLTS449]

I think we need to move to a 4-3. Maybe then you'd get something out of Werner. Our personnel seems to be more 4-3 than 3-4.

 

Why? We would have to completely start over and bring in different players. We've spent 3 years transitioning to the 3-4. That would make zero sense bro.

[John Dee]

Freeman, when healthy, is by FAR our best cover LB'r.    He was not healthy first half of the season.    That said NO LB'r will look good if the DL cannot occupy lineman.   Period.   D linemen are supposed to occupy OL men..  and let LB'rs make plays.

 

I don't care if Ray Lewis comes in here...  until this DL gets fixed NOTHING will change.

[John Dee]

They won't switch .. but Grigs cannot afford to whiff on another 1st round pick and it will be DL or OLB.    That is a HUGE need area.   The Major need area.    Unless a major FA signing is on the way?

 

Grigs has got to get this right.     Cannot keep missing on first rounders...   That was Polians end.

 

We've spent 3 years trying to build a 3-4 defense, we're not switching back now

[Cribbsfaircatch]

Why? We would have to completely start over and bring in different players. We've spent 3 years transitioning to the 3-4. That would make zero sense bro.

Have u paid attention to this roster? What impact player is best suited for a 3-4. Our LBers suck. And I think our DTs are more suited for 4-3. Werner and Mathis are 4-3 ends.

[Clem-Dog]

Freeman looked scared against Blount, which is crazy because he didn't look bad against Anderson or Hill in prior weeks.

If he is cheap we should consider re-signing him. Regardless, we still need a more imposing force at ILB.

[COLTS449]

Have u paid attention to this roster? What impact player is best suited for a 3-4. Our LBers suck. And I think our DTs are more suited for 4-3. Werner and Mathis are 4-3 ends.

 

Yeah I know right. That's why Mathis excelled and had his best year by far as a stand up 3-4 OLB. He is IMO better suited there. Jones and RJF have always been in a 3-4 in their professional careers. The only guys who are actually better suited for a 4-3 would be Werner and maybe Freeman. It isn't going to happen. So to answer your question Mathis and Jones are impact players who are better suited in the 3-4. Just because we have 1 or 2 guys best suited to be in a 4-3 scheme doesn't mean we should go back to it when we've been transitioning to the 3-4 for the last few years. We would be starting all over basically, just like 3 years ago. I mean we would most likely even have to get another DC who runs the 4-3 (and the Manusky debate is another discussion, its not the point) This isn't even worth debating bro.

[Cribbsfaircatch]

Yeah I know right. That's why Mathis excelled and had his best year by far as a stand up 3-4 OLB. He is IMO better suited there. Jones and RJF have always been in a 3-4 in their professional careers. The only guys who are actually better suited for a 4-3 would be Werner and maybe Freeman. It isn't going to happen. So to answer your question Mathis and Jones are impact players who are better suited in the 3-4. Just because we have 1 or 2 guys best suited to be in a 4-3 scheme doesn't mean we should go back to it when we've been transitioning to the 3-4 for the last few years. We would be starting all over basically, just like 3 years ago. I mean we would most likely even have to get another DC who runs the 4-3 (and the Manusky debate is another discussion, its not the point) This isn't even worth debating bro.

That was his 1st yr there, and not too mention his production may have been artificially enhanced. He played yrs in a 4-3. A 3-4 is meant for teams with versatile/athletic linebackers that can cover amd support the run. LB is not our strength.

Jones wasnt impressive this yr. He would benefit from the 4-3 as well.

And RJF should be cut. He's not an impact player.

[theanarchist]

I would like Freeman more if he was a weakside linebacker in a 4-3 defense .Don't think he's a good fit in our 3-4 . I don't think he's terrible I think he's average or a hair above. Sure wish he was taller. I do think he'll be back next year.

I think you're right. 3-4 ILB's are typically big guys. 6-3 250 plus. I think Freeman is a good player but I think we would be better off with an ILB that was bigger and might not get swallowed up so easy.

[JR Indy]

Freeman is not the problem with this Defense.  The problem with this D is no edge/pass rushers.  No effective Nose tackle.  And lastly and most importantly a hard hitting Safety.  When Ray Lewis was in his prime.  The reason why he was so good was because of his DT's in front of him.  Am I comparing RAY RAY with Freeman---NO.  But I think the Colts got the right guy at the LB spot.  With that said I would like the Colts to bring in DT, two edge/pass rushers(not for sure of Mathis health going forward) and O-Guard in Free Agency, and draft everything else.

[rock8591]

LOL most of our defense is suited to a 3-4, save for maybe Werner and Freeman. We don't retool the entire D to suit 1-2 average players.

 

Jones and RJF def 3-4 players. Same with Mathis, Walden, and Newsome.

[Valpo2004]

on a second round tender would there be any takers

 

I don't think so. . . But I would be willing to trade Freeman for a 2nd round pick so if they did take him then they can have him.  

 

Let's not forget that Freeman is gonna be 29 at the start of next season.  Is that real old?? No . . . but 30 is looming.  

 

I think a 2nd round tender is about right for him.  

[USAFHoosier]

Have u paid attention to this roster? What impact player is best suited for a 3-4. Our LBers suck. And I think our DTs are more suited for 4-3. Werner and Mathis are 4-3 ends.

Mathis best season was in a 3-4 the best lineman Art Jones is one of the better 3-4 ends in the league. What roster are you looking at?

[USAFHoosier]

That was his 1st yr there, and not too mention his production may have been artificially enhanced. He played yrs in a 4-3. A 3-4 is meant for teams with versatile/athletic linebackers that can cover amd support the run. LB is not our strength.

Jones wasnt impressive this yr. He would benefit from the 4-3 as well.

And RJF should be cut. He's not an impact player.

when Jones wasn't injured he was pretty impressive.

[Rally5]

We've spent 3 years trying to build a 3-4 defense, we're not switching back now

Sadly you are both correct.  How do we have 4-3 talent after 3 years?  You can only find two true 3-4 OLB's on the entire roster.  Walden and Studebaker.

[Rally5]

Freeman is not the problem with this Defense.  The problem with this D is no edge/pass rushers.  No effective Nose tackle.  And lastly and most importantly a hard hitting Safety.  When Ray Lewis was in his prime.  The reason why he was so good was because of his DT's in front of him.  Am I comparing RAY RAY with Freeman---NO.  But I think the Colts got the right guy at the LB spot.  With that said I would like the Colts to bring in DT, two edge/pass rushers(not for sure of Mathis health going forward) and O-Guard in Free Agency, and draft everything else.

 

I agree with some of your concepts.  Here's the problem..you'll be lucky to find one edge rusher and nobody gives up an elite 3-4 pass rusher.  So be prepared to hope Mathis is healthy and Newsome looks like your new starting olb (neither is actually a 3-4 backer by the way). Colts are weak right up the gut. Our corners can cover so I'm not quite as worried about pass rush....I saw us get run over between the tackles.  That means NG, MLB, Safety.  Freeman simply doesn't play the run well, unless it's the read option so he shows out against the 49ers and the Seahawks.  Otherwise he gets lost and over whelmed against the inside run, Jackson is fine against the run but questionable in coverage (Nice pick aganst Brady though).  And nobody on Earth is softer than Laron Landry, he a steriod rat and a poser, I hate his game....if only Bob Sanders was still around

[TheBlueAndWhite]

Freeman is not the problem with this Defense. The problem with this D is no edge/pass rushers. No effective Nose tackle. And lastly and most importantly a hard hitting Safety. When Ray Lewis was in his prime. The reason why he was so good was because of his DT's in front of him. Am I comparing RAY RAY with Freeman---NO. But I think the Colts got the right guy at the LB spot. With that said I would like the Colts to bring in DT, two edge/pass rushers(not for sure of Mathis health going forward) and O-Guard in Free Agency, and draft everything else.

Agreed! I actually think freeman is a good player, but even ray lewis would look average when olinemen are in his face every freaking running play. Its like our LBs in this defense play the actual D-line Lol. I say fix the trenches on each side of the ball and you have a completely different team!

[crazycolt1]

Games are won and lost in the trenches. Till those positions are upgraded we are going to struggle with top tier teams. We have a couple of decent linemen on both sides of the line but more are needed. It wouldn't make me mad if Grigson spent the whole draft finding linemen. Fix that problem and the rest of the players will be fine. None of the defensive backs can cover receivers when the opposing QB has all day to wait for his receivers to clear. Same can be said for Luck. Give him the time needed to go through his progressions and his numbers would go through the roof. Great linemen are very hard to find some we need to bring in as many as possible and maybe we can find the right combination.

[pgt_rob]

Jerrell Freeman is not the problem. He's actually pretty good for us. I don't understand why he's taking any slack right now.

[Dark Superman]

Not a chance..

[Dark Superman]

Jerrell Freeman is not the problem. He's actually pretty good for us. I don't understand why he's taking any slack right now.

I agree. Build up the line in front of him and get him someone who can cover TE's next to him on passing downs and I think he will excel.

[coltsfanatic24]

Freeman has been solid in coverage but we can certainly use upgrades at both ILB positions. We do need better defensive linemen but Freeman hasn't been good against the run, Jackson is good against the run but isn't good in coverage. Freeman has missed a lot of tackles this year that really hurt us doing crucial parts of the game. 

 

Both of the Patriots ILB's can cover and stop the run, that's the kind of athletic ILB's this team needs.