Ngakoue contract expired/voided today

[chad72]

 

 

 

 

[strt182]

Hope we resign him. Maybe he wants to test FA or is waiting to make sure Gus is retained. ( I like to think Gus will be)

[richard pallo]

He an Campbell should be the top priorities.  Hope we sign them asap.

[throwing BBZ]

   A good year to draft a DE.

[csmopar]

8 minutes ago, strt182 said:

Hope we resign him. Maybe he wants to test FA or is waiting to make sure Gus is retained. ( I like to think Gus will be)

Same here 

1 minute ago, throwing BBZ said:

   A good year to draft a DE.

At 4…

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Why would his contact need voided? He is a FA in a couple weeks. Letting him off early to find a new home. Confused by this.

[coming on strong]

we need to resign him 100 percent this is a 2020 repeat .    we had autry and houston who were ten sack a year guys and let them walk for young guys with no experience .  it back fired both starters couldnt sniff 10 sacks  .    even though paye was on pace for  10 plus sacks before getting hurt we need guys who have the experience to be ten plus sack guys every year .    

[crazycolt1]

Will Anderson at #4 is looking a little better at this point.  

[strt182]

5 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Why would his contact need voided? He is a FA in a couple weeks. Letting him off early to find a new home. Confused by this.

You are thinking into this too much . Its expiring. , its the wording that has you confused I would guess. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, strt182 said:

You are thinking into this too much . Its expiring. , its the wording that has you confused I would guess. 

Why would it be expired before the new league starts? I thought all contracts would end when the new league started. My guess he had a void year  in there when he signed.

[Jackie Daytona]

2 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Why would it be expired before the new league starts? I thought all contracts would end when the new league started. My guess he had a void year  in there when he signed.

Likely he met a condition last year that kicked the void date up to today for some reason he or his agent preferred ....  Sounds like a minor concession made during negotiations 

[richard pallo]

Maybe this means they can start negotiating now with other teams instead of waiting until March 15th.  Get a head start so to speak.

[Hawkeyecolt]

Had nothing to do with last year. He had a voidable year is my bet too. It allowed the Raiders most likely to kick some money to future years. 
 

Ngakoue had one of the lowest pressure rates at his position in the NFL.  Only four of his sacks came from his pressure/win.   He was flat out terrible against the run.  
 

If resigned it should be at a paycut and he should only be on the field for 30-40% of the snaps where it could be rested and only rushing the QB. Playing 70% of the snaps and getting worn down doesn’t maximize his production.  
 

I think Paye and Dayo should start at DE’s.  Pick up a designated pass rusher via free-agency or the draft.  Ngakoue could be that person but his production didn’t match his salary.  He’s been well traveled for a reason. It was on full display last season.  

 

 

[stitches]

26 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Will Anderson at #4 is looking a little better at this point.  

"The guy from Alabama"

[chad72]

10 minutes ago, stitches said:

"The guy from Alabama"

 

Nicely done Jim!!! 

[Yoshinator]

47 minutes ago, stitches said:

"The guy from Alabama"

Haha! That'd be a swerve that'd catch the majority of Colts fans off guard lol.

 

The flaming keyboard warriors of twitter would go wild!  

[cdgacoltsfan]

20 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Haha! That'd be a swerve that'd catch the majority of Colts fans off guard lol.

 

The flaming keyboard warriors of twitter would go wild!  

Colts trade this year's #2 and a player for Justin Fields? Then   draft Anderson at 4? Doubt it but ya never know.

[Yoshinator]

2 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Colts trade this year's #2 and a player for Justin Fields? Then   draft Anderson at 4? Doubt it but ya never know.

That'd be kinda fun and different tbh. We'd fill two premium positions anyway, and there was some smoke that Ballard wanted to trade up for Fields before we got Wentz.

[cdgacoltsfan]

7 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

That'd be kinda fun and different tbh. We'd fill two premium positions anyway, and there was some smoke that Ballard wanted to trade up for Fields before we got Wentz.

I'm not high on Fields passing ability but Steichen might be able to work wonders. I think Fields rookie contract has 2 years left. Again...just thinking out loud 

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

I'm not high on Fields passing ability but Steichen might be able to work wonders. I think Fields rookie contract has 2 years left. Again...just thinking out loud 

Yeah, two years with a 5th year option. Steichen might be able to work with him. He's like Hurts as a runner, but a worse passer.

[richard pallo]

46 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Yeah, two years with a 5th year option. Steichen might be able to work with him. He's like Hurts as a runner, but a worse passer.

When he came out Fields was considered a very good passer who could make all of the throws.  His arm was considered strong.  His passing numbers are probably being hurt by the roster he is playing with.  Just read where he has an almost photographic memory as well.  Can’t believe the Bears would trade him but they might fall in love with a new shiny toy.  If so they should be calling Ballard.

[Yoshinator]

2 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

When he came out Fields was considered a very good passer who could make all of the throws.  His arm was considered strong.  His passing numbers are probably being hurt by the roster he is playing with.  Just read where he has an almost photographic memory as well.  Can’t believe the Bears would trade him but they might fall in love with a new shiny toy.  If so they should be calling Ballard.

Yeah, I remember hearing something like the Bears have never had a 4,000-yard passer in their history in one year. That's crazy. A lot of that is former GMs and coaches, but there's gotta be something there with the tradition of running the football on that team that has ruined so many QBs. I'd take a chance on Fields if the price is right. 

[Moosejawcolt]

2 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Yeah, two years with a 5th year option. Steichen might be able to work with him. He's like Hurts as a runner, but a worse passer.

He is more athletic than Hurts and has a stronger arm

 

[danlhart87]

3 hours ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Colts trade this year's #2 and a player for Justin Fields? Then   draft Anderson at 4? Doubt it but ya never know.

Depends on player and Anderson Jr might go before 4 so what then 

[Zoltan]

To much liability in the run to resign and he would cost to much. If he comes back as a pass rush specialist and a pay cut sure but Colts aren’t gonna have a lot of cap space this year 

[JediXMan]

He lost weight last season and was overpowered a lot in the run game. 

[NewColtsFan]

8 hours ago, coming on strong said:

we need to resign him 100 percent this is a 2020 repeat .    we had autry and houston who were ten sack a year guys and let them walk for young guys with no experience .  it back fired both starters couldnt sniff 10 sacks  .    even though paye was on pace for  10 plus sacks before getting hurt we need guys who have the experience to be ten plus sack guys every year .    

I want to say up front, that I think Ballard made a mistake on Autry, especially since the report that the difference between the Colts offer and Titans offer was said to be very small.  Ballard made the mistake.  
 

But here is what I take issue with….   Your comment that both guys were 10 sack a year guys.   They weren’t. 
 

In Autry’s three years with the Colts these were his sack totals….  9…. 3.5…. And 7.5.   That’s 20 sacks in three years, less than 7 a year on average.   Autry hasn’t even recorded 10 sacks once with Tenn.  To be fair,  Autry has done much better for the Titans, I think his numbers were 9 and 8.5.   Just not 10.   
 

And Houston has also surprised in his part-time role with Balt.  I think his numbers have been similar to Autry.  High single digits, just not 10.   
 

But….  To look at the big picture….  Back when these decisions were made the salary cap was much lower than expected because of……..   Covid.   Salary caps were dramatically cut back for several years.  

 

The NFL is only now getting the salary cap back in line.  And the cap is now going up dramatically because of new TV money.   But the players who got squeezed back then were the veteran free agents around 30.   

All I’m saying is some facts needed to be corrected and some context was needed to explain what happened and why. 
 

 

 

[ChuggaBeer]

18 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

I want to say up front, that I think Ballard made a mistake on Autry, especially since the report that the difference between the Colts offer and Titans offer was said to be very small.  Ballard made the mistake.  
 

But here is what I take issue with….   Your comment that both guys were 10 sack a year guys.   They weren’t. 
 

In Autry’s three years with the Colts these were his sack totals….  9…. 3.5…. And 7.5.   That’s 20 sacks in three years, less than 7 a year on average.   Autry hasn’t even recorded 10 sacks once with Tenn.  To be fair,  Autry has done much better for the Titans, I think his numbers were 9 and 8.5.   Just not 10.   
 

And Houston has also surprised in his part-time role with Balt.  I think his numbers have been similar to Autry.  High single digits, just not 10.   
 

But….  To look at the big picture….  Back when these decisions were made the salary cap was much lower than expected because of……..   Covid.   Salary caps were dramatically cut back for several years.  

 

The NFL is only now getting the salary cap back in line.  And the cap is now going up dramatically because of new TV money.   But the players who got squeezed back then were the veteran free agents around 30.   

All I’m saying is some facts needed to be corrected and some context was needed to explain what happened and why. 
 

 

 

Autry was hurt one of those seasons with the Colts...  maybe the 3.5 sack season?    Also wasn't Autry playing a lot of 3 tech with us? Not sure where he plays for Tenn.  Honest question on all of this   not trying to be arbitrary (yea i looked that word up and i think it works here )

[jbaron04]

8 hours ago, strt182 said:

Hope we resign him. Maybe he wants to test FA or is waiting to make sure Gus is retained. ( I like to think Gus will be)

Naw I think we should move on 

[ChuggaBeer]

Just now, jbaron04 said:

Naw I think we should move on 

To who?   Whom?   Whatever 

[Orioles22]

He seemed like he wasn't even out there most of the time he was on the field. I'd rather sign someone else and try to upgrade.

[NewColtsFan]

27 minutes ago, ChuggaBeer said:

Autry was hurt one of those seasons with the Colts...  maybe the 3.5 sack season?    Also wasn't Autry playing a lot of 3 tech with us? Not sure where he plays for Tenn.  Honest question on all of this   not trying to be arbitrary (yea i looked that word up and i think it works here )

Some have speculated that Autry has played better for Tenn because he’s playing in a 3-4 and not a 4-3 that he played for the Colts.   Maybe he’s better suited for that defense?  
 

I just looked up Autrys stats and he played 12 games in the season where he got 3.5 sacks.   So he played 3/4 of that season.  

[Solid84]

12 hours ago, strt182 said:

Hope we resign him. Maybe he wants to test FA or is waiting to make sure Gus is retained. ( I like to think Gus will be)

Not for starter money - he’s just not a 3-down DE. He’d be excellent as a pass rush specialist on passing downs. 

[John Hammonds]

I think that as long as we have Gus as the DC, then Ngakoue should be on the team.  He is the quintessential LEO for this defense.  That being said, he is a liability against the run, and he's a sack-or-nothing pass rusher, with few non-sack pressures.  And we should work to improve on what we have.  (Read here -- work very, very hard to find someone better)

 

Right now I'm going to disagree about starting Paye and Odeingbo as bookends.  Yes, they provide significantly superior run defense, and are also more consistent in pressures.  But they also don't actually get to the quarterback as frequently.

 

Instead of one or the other, can we have both-and?

[coming on strong]

7 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

I want to say up front, that I think Ballard made a mistake on Autry, especially since the report that the difference between the Colts offer and Titans offer was said to be very small.  Ballard made the mistake.  
 

But here is what I take issue with….   Your comment that both guys were 10 sack a year guys.   They weren’t. 
 

In Autry’s three years with the Colts these were his sack totals….  9…. 3.5…. And 7.5.   That’s 20 sacks in three years, less than 7 a year on average.   Autry hasn’t even recorded 10 sacks once with Tenn.  To be fair,  Autry has done much better for the Titans, I think his numbers were 9 and 8.5.   Just not 10.   
 

And Houston has also surprised in his part-time role with Balt.  I think his numbers have been similar to Autry.  High single digits, just not 10.   
 

But….  To look at the big picture….  Back when these decisions were made the salary cap was much lower than expected because of……..   Covid.   Salary caps were dramatically cut back for several years.  

 

The NFL is only now getting the salary cap back in line.  And the cap is now going up dramatically because of new TV money.   But the players who got squeezed back then were the veteran free agents around 30.   

All I’m saying is some facts needed to be corrected and some context was needed to explain what happened and why. 
 

 

 

my problem with ballard is he starts  question marks at premium positions  .   rolling into the season with lewis and paye as starters when lewis was hurt every year and paye is a rookie .      the teams sack total fell off last year because of this .  yannick hit 9.5 sacks  and led for edge rushers you cant risk  starting paye and dayo at edge because they  are still young and need to have more depth also .    colts might have to trade up and lose picks .     we need yannick back  and i would also try and get lewis on a cheap on year deal to get depth .   

[Smonroe]

14 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Yeah, two years with a 5th year option. Steichen might be able to work with him. He's like Hurts as a runner, but a worse passer.

Better than Hurts at running and passing.  

[Yoshinator]

4 hours ago, Smonroe said:

Better than Hurts at running and passing.  

Hurts is definitely a better passer. Fields may of been better in college, but Hurts developed into a solid passer at the NFL level. Fields has yet to do that, and you can't completely blame that on his receivers, they had Mooney and Kmet, and they traded for Claypool. His passing numbers are just terrible as of now. May be the Bears fault, but that's just conjecture as of now. Hurts is a proven passer and runner that made the SB, despite the better talent. Fields help led the Bears to the no1 pick.

[NewColtsFan]

5 hours ago, coming on strong said:

my problem with ballard is he starts  question marks at premium positions  .   rolling into the season with lewis and paye as starters when lewis was hurt every year and paye is a rookie .      the teams sack total fell off last year because of this .  yannick hit 9.5 sacks  and led for edge rushers you cant risk  starting paye and dayo at edge because they  are still young and need to have more depth also .    colts might have to trade up and lose picks .     we need yannick back  and i would also try and get lewis on a cheap on year deal to get depth .   

Id like to bring Yannick back, but not as the Colts 3-down right defensive end.   I think his run defense is atrocious and badly hurts the overall defense.  So he’s too one dimensional.  But I’d like him back as a pass rush specialist and I’m willing to pay for the privilege.   I’d offer 2/26, the same $13 mill per he played under last year.  If I absolutely had to, and if Bradley endorsed the idea, I could be persuaded to offer 3/40.   But not more and not 4 years that one site recommended.  Yannick needs to be used better.  
 

I’m hoping the Colts can hang on to pick 35, because I think that’s where they have a chance to draft a good DE.   The third round pick (79) is where I’d like to go OL, preferably a guard.   Get the new center in free agency. 

[Smonroe]

1 hour ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Hurts is definitely a better passer. Fields may of been better in college, but Hurts developed into a solid passer at the NFL level. Fields has yet to do that, and you can't completely blame that on his receivers, they had Mooney and Kmet, and they traded for Claypool. His passing numbers are just terrible as of now. May be the Bears fault, but that's just conjecture as of now. Hurts is a proven passer and runner that made the SB, despite the better talent. Fields help led the Bears to the no1 pick.

I respect your opinion and it’s a moot point since we’re not going to trade for Fields.  Still, here’s my thoughts:

 

We both agree that Fields was better than Hurts in college.  (Living as a Buckeye in Bama, I’ve seen every college game they both played, and followed Hurts at OK).

 

I’ll agree with you that Hurts improved while Justin hasn’t as much.  But I think his potential with the right coach and team is even greater than Hurts.  He’s already a better runner, and he’s bigger and  faster than Stroud or Young.  So, I’d support the trade for him even though it’s unrealistic.  
 

This quote from a recent article sums him up perfectly:
 

“But the Bears had the worst passing attack in the league, with the blame spread between Fields, his inventory of receivers, a line that contributed to him being sacked 55 times and coaches’ play-calling.”

[OLD FAN MAN]

22 hours ago, coming on strong said:

we need to resign him 100 percent this is a 2020 repeat .    we had autry and houston who were ten sack a year guys and let them walk for young guys with no experience .  it back fired both starters couldnt sniff 10 sacks  .    even though paye was on pace for  10 plus sacks before getting hurt we need guys who have the experience to be ten plus sack guys every year .    

looks like ballard did not learn from his mistakes, same old ballard