The Ghost vanishes again (Merge)

[MR. Blueblood]

You would think a week removed from throwing his teammates under the bus that Hilton would show up the next game, as a leader of this team should.  Nope, just in time for Halloween he does another disappearing act.  Wonder who he's going to throw under the bus this week?  

[RockThatBlue]

Wow is this unit bad...Moncrief isn't doing anything, plus Aiken is horrible. And there's this

 

 

Zak Keefer

@zkeefer

 

 

T.Y. Hilton's last three games: 5 catches on 19 targets for 51 yards.

[VaAllDay757]

Man aiken is trash

[Andrew Luck fan club]

Chud is what’s wrong with TY. And this offense. 

[Superman]

How many of those targets were late and underthrown?

 

 

Hilton did have a drop in the middle of two defenders...

[bananabucket]

Just add it to the long, growing list of needs.

 

Edit: Since this was merged, let me be clear that I'm referring to the garbage behind TY.. not TY himself.  He'll be himself when Luck gets back.

[2006Coltsbestever]

TY is not into this because Luck is out, he is tired of the losing and not having fun. Until Luck comes back he will struggle. Aiken basically cost us the game today, he had some critical drops.

[shasta519]

Yep. Hilton has a knack for having huge bounceback games. Not this time. This team just isn't a good thing right now...especially on offense.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a surprising big-time move or two in the next day or so (probably not TY though). I don't think Ballard would be shy about doing this.

[shasta519]

2 minutes ago, Xander said:

Chud is what’s wrong with TY. And this offense. 

 

Chud might just be the worst part about his entire team. And I think he could be ruining Brissett right before our eyes.

[MR. Blueblood]

2 minutes ago, Xander said:

Chud is what’s wrong with TY. And this offense. 

Chud is the same guy calling the plays when he has 177 yard games too.  At what point does Hilton's disappearing act become about him?

[GoColts8818]

If you are going to call out teammates like he did you have to produce better than he has these last three games.

[MarquisJ]

I remember a few years ago people telling me TY can never be a number 1 favors more of a speedy slot wr who has a big game here and there lacks size and strength... maybe we are starting to see that. I will also say Crief and company are not helping in taking pressure off him whatsoever

[Luck is Good]

The whole offense is a mess. Play calling, executing, players and precision. None of it is there

[IinD]

Put a healthy Luck out there and he's getting 1300 yards this season.

 

Brissett isn't all world here.

[RockThatBlue]

15 minutes ago, Superman said:

How many of those targets were late and underthrown?

 

 

Hilton did have a drop in the middle of two defenders...

Some of them might not have been great throws, but those numbers are bad

 

Also, not a good look to call out teammates, and then follow it with a clunker yourself.

[Dark Superman]

Another pointless thread.

[MR. Blueblood]

1 minute ago, Dark Superman said:

Another pointless thread.

Feel free to start one of your own

[IndyScribe]

TY is a deep threat. Brissett hasn't been throwing it deep.

[Stephen]

15 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:

Wow is this unit bad...Moncrief isn't doing anything, plus Aiken is horrible. And there's this

 

 

Zak Keefer

@zkeefer

 

 

T.Y. Hilton's last three games: 5 catches on 19 targets for 51 yards.

It doesnt even seem like moncrief is on the team

[TheRustonRifle#7]

Ugggh....50 yards isn't really #1 WR worthy for a game, let alone 3 games.....yuck.

[Architects08]

Remember when we thought WR was a strengthfor this team? Aiken is horrible, Moncreif hasnt done anything, and id consider trading Hilton if he could net a decent return. 

[Superman]

15 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:

Some of them might not have been great throws, but those numbers are bad

 

Also, not a good look to call out teammates, and then follow it with a clunker yourself.

 

WRs rely on the QB. Let's stop acting like the lack of production from the receivers is the receivers' fault. We know better than that. 

 

Blame them for what they do wrong, like three drops today, but they aren't the problem. 

[MarquisJ]

4 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

WRs rely on the QB. Let's stop acting like the lack of production from the receivers is the receivers' fault. We know better than that. 

 

Blame them for what they do wrong, like three drops today, but they aren't the problem. 

wrs also have to be able to create separation which indy wr core is incapable of doing from what i’m seeing this year 

[runthepost]

Didn’t we have a 1000 yard receiver with Painter?

[ricker182]

If you want to watch real receivers, watch the Texans.  

Hopkins and Fuller are two of the best.  

[runthepost]

Just now, ricker182 said:

If you want to watch real receivers, watch the Texans.  

Hopkins and Fuller are two of the best.  

I’ll take Fuller over Moncrief

[RockThatBlue]

23 minutes ago, Stephen said:

It doesnt even seem like moncrief is on the team

I think he has been placed in the Witness Protection program.

[UKColt13]

Aiken can’t catch a cold. I often am genuinely surprised Moncreif was on the field during a game. Brissett waits too long and if he doesn’t he often couldn’t hit water if he was standing on a boat. When these are your fellow offensive players and you’re facing a lot of double teams, I’m not surprised he’s invisible. 

 

Let him get Luck back. Give him a break.

[DougDew]

33 minutes ago, MarquisJ said:

I remember a few years ago people telling me TY can never be a number 1 favors more of a speedy slot wr who has a big game here and there lacks size and strength... maybe we are starting to see that. I will also say Crief and company are not helping in taking pressure off him whatsoever

While I didn't say that, TY is never the #1 a guy like Dez Bryant or Julio Jones are.  TY's really about a 1.5.

 

But we have not had a truley competent #2 or #3 WR for several years.

[RockThatBlue]

15 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

WRs rely on the QB. Let's stop acting like the lack of production from the receivers is the receivers' fault. We know better than that. 

 

Blame them for what they do wrong, like three drops today, but they aren't the problem. 

No doubt its not all his fault, but its hard to make a case that he's playing well. 

[MR. Blueblood]

For everybody that says just wait until Luck comes back, just please do us all a favor and revisit T.Y.'s stats from his previous seasons.  It is littered with games where he has hardly any catches and hardly any yards.  He is strictly a feast or famine receiver.  He either balls out or he ghosts out.

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/t.y.hilton/2532865/gamelogs?season=2012

http://www.nfl.com/player/t.y.hilton/2532865/gamelogs?season=2013

http://www.nfl.com/player/t.y.hilton/2532865/gamelogs?season=2014

http://www.nfl.com/player/t.y.hilton/2532865/gamelogs?season=2015

http://www.nfl.com/player/t.y.hilton/2532865/gamelogs?season=2016

 

Even last season when he lead the league in receiving he still had 5 games with less than 50 yards receiving and another where he had 54.  Imagine if he could actually be found 16 games a season, those numbers could be off the charts good, but unfortunately that's not the player that he is.

[IinD]

12 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:

No doubt its not all his fault, but its hard to make a case that he's playing well. 

C'mon man, you think he wouldn't produce with Brady or old Manning throwing to him?

 

He's a stud and people are acting like he's a bum. Not directing this at you man, just that I am totally shocked our fan base doesn't see that he's a legit #1.

 

Its obvious Brissett is more comfortable for whatever reason with Aiken and Doyle.

 

[IinD]

4 minutes ago, MR. Blueblood said:

For everybody that says just wait until Luck comes back, just please do us all a favor and revisit T.Y.'s stats from his previous seasons.  It is littered with games where he has hardly any catches and hardly any yards.  He is strictly a feast or famine receiver.  He either balls out or he ghosts out.

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/t.y.hilton/2532865/gamelogs?season=2012

http://www.nfl.com/player/t.y.hilton/2532865/gamelogs?season=2013

http://www.nfl.com/player/t.y.hilton/2532865/gamelogs?season=2014

http://www.nfl.com/player/t.y.hilton/2532865/gamelogs?season=2015

http://www.nfl.com/player/t.y.hilton/2532865/gamelogs?season=2016

 

Even last season when he lead the league in receiving he still had 5 games with less than 50 yards receiving and another where he had 54.  Imagine if he could actually be found 16 games a season, those numbers could be off the charts good, but unfortunately that's not the player that he is.

He's on pace for 1K this year. 

 

You expecting 2K I'm guessing??

[MR. Blueblood]

2 minutes ago, IinD said:

He's on pace for 1K this year. 

 

You expecting 2K I'm guessing??

With him it's hard to say what to expect because you never know what you're going to get out of him.  One of two things will happen next week in Houston, he'll go for 150+ or he'll disappear.  

[Blueblood23]

29 minutes ago, runthepost said:

I’ll take Fuller over Moncrief

I'll take Fuller over Hilton.

[IinD]

Just now, MR. Blueblood said:

With him it's hard to say what to expect because you never know what you're going to get out of him.  One of two things will happen next week in Houston, he'll go for 150+ or he'll disappear.  

Not singling you out, but to me it's simple. 

 

He's a stud. You don't get rid of him.

 

DE's don't get sacks every game, doesn't mean they suck.

 

I ALWAYS jump on dumb players and coaching, but TY is at the bottom of the list to me.

 

515 yards this year and he'll probably have another 150 yd game or two. He's a player, even if it's for 10 out of 16 games a year.

 

We'd lose even worse if Ty were to go down, teams wouldn't even cover the other wrs.

[Mr Coffee]

15 minutes ago, IinD said:

He's on pace for 1K this year. 

 

You expecting 2K I'm guessing??

Doesn't negate his point whatsoever, which is that TY is either feast or famine.  Always has been and probably always will be.  He does not have the consistenty of a Reggie Wayne.  

[MR. Blueblood]

3 minutes ago, IinD said:

Not singling you out, but to me it's simple. 

 

He's a stud. You don't get rid of him.

 

DE's don't get sacks every game, doesn't mean they suck.

 

I ALWAYS jump on dumb players and coaching, but TY is at the bottom of the list to me.

 

515 yards this year and he'll probably have another 150 yd game or two. He's a player, even if it's for 10 out of 16 games a year.

 

We'd lose even worse if Ty were to go down, teams wouldn't even cover the other wrs.

I've never said he sucked.  You don't lead the NFL in receiving yards if you suck.  What I want from T.Y. is consistency.  If having a player show up 10 out of 16 games is good enough for you I don't know what to tell you, because it's not good enough for me.  A #1 WR will find a way to beat double teams.  A #1 WR will find a way to show up week in and week out.  A #1 WR doesn't act like Jeckyl and Hyde.  It's a whole lot easier to be a star on a team full of players without talent. It's no wonder that nobody outside of the Colts fanbase doesn't look at T.Y. as a top tier WR.

[IinD]

Just now, Mr Coffee said:

Doesn't negate his point whatsoever, which is that TY is either feast or famine.  Always has been and probably always will be.  He does not have the consistenty of a Reggie Wayne.  

So let's just get rid of him? That'll help the team?

[IinD]

Just now, MR. Blueblood said:

I've never said he sucked.  You don't lead the NFL in receiving yards if you suck.  What I want from T.Y. is consistency.  If having a player show up 10 out of 16 games is good enough for you I don't know what to tell you, because it's not good enough for me.  A #1 WR will find a way to beat double teams.  A #1 WR will find a way to show up week in and week out.  A #1 WR doesn't act like Jeckyl and Hyde.  It's a whole lot easier to be a star on a team full of players without talent. It's no wonder that nobody outside of the Colts fanbase doesn't look at T.Y. as a top tier WR.

I get it, honestly I do. He's listed at 178 lbs, I don't think he's ever going to be beast mode.

 

Give him ANYTHING at #2 and I think he'd be more consistent. I don't even know who our#2 is this season.