Household Names Not Re-signed/Cut

[IndyD4U]

Like the title says. IMO these guys need to go. We need to get younger, and we need guys who can stay on the field. 

We also need Grigson to have another strong draft. Yes, Grigson....I don't think we'll see any front office/major coaching changes. We have some promising young players, just need a few more pieces. 

 

Robert Mathis
Darius Butler
Mike Adams
Trent Cole
Hugh Thornton
D'Qwell Jackson
Arthur Jones

 

Finally, Go Colts! Always Bleeding Blue

[Coltfreak]

I doubt Butler goes anywhere.  He will probably move to Safety and he can fill in as a CB so he has value.  But you are probably right on the rest of them,

 

And you should add Robinson in there.  The young guys look better than he does. Unless he move strictly to nickle 

 

[IndyD4U]

I thought about Robinson, but had a hard time putting him on the list after his first season. 

[RockThatBlue]

Hate to say it about Robert as hes a Colts legend but I'm afraid hes done. He might end up retiring though.

[RockThatBlue]

I'd add Ferguson to your list though. I know it was only his first year, but color me un impressed to say the least. Todman is better than him IMO.

[Jhaze55]

12 minutes ago, IndyD4U said:

Like the title says. IMO these guys need to go. We need to get younger, and we need guys who can stay on the field. 

We also need Grigson to have another strong draft. Yes, Grigson....I don't think we'll see any front office/major coaching changes. We have some promising young players, just need a few more pieces. 

 

Robert Mathis
Darius Butler
Mike Adams
Trent Cole
Hugh Thornton
D'Qwell Jackson
Arthur Jones

 

Finally, Go Colts! Always Bleeding Blue

I also wouldn't be opposed to Adams/Butler in depth roles

[Colts_Fan12]

15 minutes ago, IndyD4U said:

Like the title says. IMO these guys need to go. We need to get younger, and we need guys who can stay on the field. 

We also need Grigson to have another strong draft. Yes, Grigson....I don't think we'll see any front office/major coaching changes. We have some promising young players, just need a few more pieces. 

 

Robert Mathis
Darius Butler
Mike Adams
Trent Cole
Hugh Thornton
D'Qwell Jackson
Arthur Jones

 

Finally, Go Colts! Always Bleeding Blue

Love the cuts but Grigson needs to go with them 

[will426]

55 minutes ago, IndyD4U said:

Like the title says. IMO these guys need to go. We need to get younger, and we need guys who can stay on the field. 

We also need Grigson to have another strong draft. Yes, Grigson....I don't think we'll see any front office/major coaching changes. We have some promising young players, just need a few more pieces. 

 

Robert Mathis
Darius Butler
Mike Adams
Trent Cole
Hugh Thornton
D'Qwell Jackson
Arthur Jones

 

Finally, Go Colts! Always Bleeding Blue

Butler  can stay all the others I'm fine with

[bigt]

I know Adams is old, but I don't know if I would cut our best player on defense before we find another safety that's at least as good as him.  All we have right now is Geathers and Butler who are both injury prone.  If we cut Butler, we only have Geathers.   Green, like Dorsett, is another high round reach that Grigson/Pagano made based off combine measurables instead of game film.  I hope he improves greatly over the offseason. I agree with all the rest. 

[dpb]

You don't keep aging veterans in relief roles.  Subs/relief players are also special teams players and the aging veterans don't have as big a burst as they once had.

[Defjamz26]

Also need to trade Allen. Another game where he's outperformed by UDFA TEs. I'll take a 5th rounder for him at this point. Cut Dorsett too. It's not like it's uncommon nowadays for high round picks to be cut.

[DougDew]

Keep Butler, Cole, and Adams; if the prices are right.

[Andrew Luck fan club]

Cut Pagano and Grigson. Tired of projects, we need solid starters and decent consistent schemes. 

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, IndyD4U said:

Like the title says. IMO these guys need to go. We need to get younger, and we need guys who can stay on the field. 

We also need Grigson to have another strong draft. Yes, Grigson....I don't think we'll see any front office/major coaching changes. We have some promising young players, just need a few more pieces. 

 

Robert Mathis
Darius Butler
Mike Adams
Trent Cole
Hugh Thornton
D'Qwell Jackson
Arthur Jones

 

Finally, Go Colts! Always Bleeding Blue

 

I'd keep Butler and Adams....    they may not start, but they're still valuable...

 

And I'd keep Jones if he'd stay on a restructured deal like last year.     We need another year or two of depth from him.

 

[jameszeigler834]

41 minutes ago, bigt said:

I know Adams is old, but I don't know if I would cut our best player on defense before we find another safety that's at least as good as him.  All we have right now is Geathers and Butler who are both injury prone.  If we cut Butler, we only have Geathers.   Green, like Dorsett, is another high round reach that Grigson/Pagano made based off combine measurables instead of game film.  I hope he improves greatly over the offseason. I agree with all the rest. 

Adams is done.

[csmopar]

Cut Allen as well, worthless, huge mistake letting Fleener walk for that piece of garbage at TE

[theanarchist]

2 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

Also need to trade Allen. Another game where he's outperformed by UDFA TEs. I'll take a 5th rounder for him at this point. Cut Dorsett too. It's not like it's uncommon nowadays for high round picks to be cut.

 Allen has no trade value. No one will give anything for him. They wasted that money. S T U P I D. Tired of Grigson's trash heap. He needs to go.

[Gavin]

12 minutes ago, theanarchist said:

 Allen has no trade value. No one will give anything for him. They wasted that money. S T U P I D. Tired of Grigson's trash heap. He needs to go.

He would likely command a day 3 pick. 4th-5th round I think, He had 500+ yards his rookie year as a TE and two seasons of 5+ td's. There are many TE's who have done far less in the NFL

[snkdy]

I disagree with putting Butler on the list. He's had a relatively good year.

[John Waylon]

Also need to trade Allen. Another game where he's outperformed by UDFA TEs. I'll take a 5th rounder for him at this point. Cut Dorsett too. It's not like it's uncommon nowadays for high round picks to be cut.

No one is gonna trade for him. He's been injured too much, and the rest of the league is going to see he has been outperformed by Doyle as well.

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[John Waylon]

I disagree with putting Butler on the list. He's had a relatively good year.

He did work well at safety.

Just keep him out of a corner spot. I still have nightmares about how he played at corner in the preseason.

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[ClaytonColt]

I'd keep Butler and Adams. We have a lot of spots to improve on that side of the ball and those guys can definitely still play a role.

 

I'd also keep Thornton as a back up. He's still a young guy, he's not terrible and you can never have too much depth and competition on the o-line.

[CR91]

you know if the colts cut jackson jones robinson langford and gore, they'll have 88 m in cap space

[IinD]

7 minutes ago, CR91 said:

you know if the colts cut jackson jones robinson langford and gore, they'll have 88 m in cap space

Wow...if used *correctly* you have something brewing with that. Even if it's not that exact amount we've definitely got some dough to at least get a couple impact guys.

[Gavin]

-If Adams wants to return then you re-sign him. Green hasn't played very well

-I'd bring Mathis back on a cheap deal as a rotational pass rusher. He wont command much money

-Butler earned a new contract

-re-sign Thornton. Nobody has laid claim to RG spot yet and he still has the most potential at RG out of anyone I think if he can stay healthy next year

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Coltfreak]

14 minutes ago, Gavin said:

-If Adams wants to return then you re-sign him. Green hasn't played very well

-I'd bring Mathis back on a cheap deal as a rotational pass rusher. He wont command much money

-Butler earned a new contract

-re-sign Thornton. Nobody has laid claim to RG spot yet and he still has the most potential at RG out of anyone I think if he can stay healthy next year

 

 

 

 

 

 

Adams is done - cut him

Mathis is certainly done -cut him

Butler earned his contract as a safety to replace Adams - Keep him

Thornton has NEVER been good - cut him and kick him in the balls on his way out 

[Gavin]

Just now, Coltfreak said:

Adams is done - cut him

Mathis is certainly done -cut him

Butler earned his contract as a safety to replace Adams - Keep him

Thornton has NEVER been good - cut him and kick him in the balls on his way out 

Hard to take you serious when your making juvenile like comments about Thornton like that

[RockThatBlue]

1 hour ago, Gavin said:

He would likely command a day 3 pick. 4th-5th round I think, He had 500+ yards his rookie year as a TE and two seasons of 5+ td's. There are many TE's who have done far less in the NFL

There are many TEs that are less injury prone and aren't regressing every year too. Maybe some crazy GM would trade for him, but he has very little trade value IMO. Getting a 4th for him would be a steal at this point.

[Colts_Fan12]

If we can upgrade at the Safety spots then we need to I'm so tired of our safeties hardly ever getting INTs I'm ready for some real ballhawk back there for once 

[GoColts8818]

1 hour ago, snkdy said:

I disagree with putting Butler on the list. He's had a relatively good year.

I believe he lead the team in picks something he always does or finishes second in.  He's one of,the very few play makers they have on defense.  The other is Adams and I think age has finally caught up to him.  As good as Davis can be he doesn't get a lot of picks.  

[GoColts8818]

34 minutes ago, Coltfreak said:

Adams is done - cut him

Mathis is certainly done -cut him

Butler earned his contract as a safety to replace Adams - Keep him

Thornton has NEVER been good - cut him and kick him in the balls on his way out 

I believe Mathis contract is up so they wouldn't have to cut him.

[VocableLoki]

Why are we intent on trading Allen suddenly? I think we need to figure out a way where he isn't consistently expected to block for most of the game. His targets have been down since his rookie season but he still puts up decent numbers. Why cut a solid target who can block reasonably well from the TE position?

[dudeski]

2 hours ago, csmopar said:

Cut Allen as well, worthless, huge mistake letting Fleener walk for that piece of garbage at TE

allen is 10 times the football player fleener is

 

[aaron11]

1 minute ago, dudeski said:

allen is 10 times the football player fleener is

 

neither one is anything special

 

i wouldnt call allen that much better either. his blocking is over rated and he put up a whopping 341 yards this year

[kornstar]

I'm shocked no one has mentioned Luck yet considering the hate he gets on here.

[VocableLoki]

19 minutes ago, dudeski said:

allen is 10 times the football player fleener is

 

I would agree, better to invest than Allen than Fleener when that decision came up last year.

[Coltfreak]

2 hours ago, Gavin said:

Hard to take you serious when your making juvenile like comments about Thornton like that

Ok. Then tell me when he has been?  Give me one good game???    Because you cannot tell me a good season.  

[Dark Superman]

We need to keep Butler at a fair price (He is a slot corner) and if Arthur Jones wants to take another pay cut I'm willing to keep him around for possibly one more season (he seemed to be coming around as the weeks went on) but other than that the rest need to go.

[Dark Superman]

Hugh Thornton is still in his rookie contract and is pretty much making pennies. This is one of those low risk-high reward situations and we could possibly keep him around until the end of TC and then make a decision on him, but if we cut him early I won't be surprised either.

[Defjamz26]

1 hour ago, VocableLoki said:

Why are we intent on trading Allen suddenly? I think we need to figure out a way where he isn't consistently expected to block for most of the game. His targets have been down since his rookie season but he still puts up decent numbers. Why cut a solid target who can block reasonably well from the TE position?

Oh this argument again? Let it go man. Allen has been exposed.