RockThatBlue Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 "Quarterback is the only position in the NFL where you could be mediocre and get paid. At every other position, you can't be mediocre.Here's the whole article.http://www.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13509616/michael-bennett-seattle-seahawks-rips-quarterbacks-deals-reaction-hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH8788 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'm pretty sure he's not the only non QB player that feels that way. He's just the only person that has no shame letting it be known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peytonator Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Spot on about QBs getting paid for mediocrity. I didn't see the Suggs/Bradford hit, but if he handed the ball off it should have been a penalty for hitting the QB. I agree that the league coddles the QBs, but there is no need to hit a guy that is out of the play. The league doesn't put up with late hits on anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioColtsGirl Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I agree what he said about Hoyer. That's not breaking news or even news lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Because the QB is 10x more important than you. Deal with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I mean he makes a point. None of what he said can really be argued whether he said it out loud or not. Personally I'd probably convert 3-4 mill of whats left on his current contract into guaranteed money. I still would not give into Kams holding out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosiernsavga Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 He is obviously not a lineman in Indianapolis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH8788 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Spot on about QBs getting paid for mediocrity. I didn't see the Suggs/Bradford hit, but if he handed the ball off it should have been a penalty for hitting the QB. I agree that the league coddles the QBs, but there is no need to hit a guy that is out of the play. The league doesn't put up with late hits on anybody.Suggs actually pulled up & just wrapped his arm around Bradford's legs. Had that been a reg season game, Suggs would've obliterated him, not to mention if Philly wants to run the read option with a QB that's had 2 knee surgeries, then they better not complain if/when he gets hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lollygagger8 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Spot on about QBs getting paid for mediocrity. I didn't see the Suggs/Bradford hit, but if he handed the ball off it should have been a penalty for hitting the QB. I agree that the league coddles the QBs, but there is no need to hit a guy that is out of the play. The league doesn't put up with late hits on anybody. I personally don't feel it was malicious on the part of Suggs, but whatever: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I personally don't feel it was malicious on the part of Suggs, but whatever: First time I've seen it. That was as dirty as can be. The qb wasn't a runner, the ball was way gone, and he went for the knees instead of midsection. Penalty was the right call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsLegacy Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Spot on about QBs getting paid for mediocrity. I didn't see the Suggs/Bradford hit, but if he handed the ball off it should have been a penalty for hitting the QB. I agree that the league coddles the QBs, but there is no need to hit a guy that is out of the play. The league doesn't put up with late hits on anybody.They were running a read option. A big part of the read option is the QB has the option to keep the ball. Therefore, Suggs was completely in his right to hit Bradford.Here's an idea: Don't run the read option with your immobile, bad kneed/injury prone, QB, if you don't want him to be hit unnecessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsLegacy Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 First time I've seen it. That was as dirty as can be. The qb wasn't a runner, the ball was way gone, and he went for the knees instead of midsection. Penalty was the right call.Like it or not, Bradford is a runner on that play and should be treated as one. And the ball was in no way long gone. Bradford pulled his hands from the RBs gut the instant before Suggs hit him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backshoulderfade Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I am totally with him, except Brady always seems to be whining after being hit. Could just be me. Is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 First time I've seen it. That was as dirty as can be. The qb wasn't a runner, the ball was way gone, and he went for the knees instead of midsection. Penalty was the right call.Actually, the league said the penalty was not the right call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgt_rob Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Actually, the league said the penalty was not the right call I didn't watch the game but I'm curious. Was the tackle directly on the knee? Didn't the Colts get penalized for basically the same tackle on Tim Tebow during the 1st preseason game. Ref mentioned the hit was at the knees. I couldn't remember the play so I'm unsure if it was a read option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I didn't watch the game but I'm curious. Was the tackle directly on the knee? Didn't the Colts get penalized for basically the same tackle on Tim Tebow during the 1st preseason game. Ref mentioned the hit was at the knees. I couldn't remember the play so I'm unsure if it was a read option.Ref mentioned it was a low hit on the QB...It was a low hit but not at the knee, Suggs dove and wrapped his arms around Bradford legs below the knees and as Suggs dove Sam tried to avoid the hit which caused the play to look worse then it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsColtsFan1 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I am totally with him, except Brady always seems to be whining after being hit. Could just be me. Is it?We think alike. Brady's always complaining after getting hit. He obviously comes right back at you but he does wine alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Actually, the league said the penalty was not the right call And you trust the leagues word now-a-days? lol, i kid. But seriously. jk. kinda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattceinicram Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I don't agree with how he said it, but he is not wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyChamp Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I personally don't feel it was malicious on the part of Suggs, but whatever: Whoa...this was the hit? I hadn't bothered to look because Suggs can't win, plus I figured it was probably a little dirty but this was nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lollygagger8 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 https://vine.co/v/eDx6PWuaPtt Here's another angle. First time I've seen it. That was as dirty as can be. The qb wasn't a runner, the ball was way gone, and he went for the knees instead of midsection. Penalty was the right call. Incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 https://vine.co/v/eDx6PWuaPttHere's another angle. Incorrect.It was almost two full seconds the ball was gone. And the RB was definitely 2-3 yards gone when he got hit.I would be more ok with it had he not blatantly put his head at knee level. There was no need for it. Do you really think that if Suggs stayed upright that Bradford would have run him over? Its not like its a hard charging RB where you have to get low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt Forty-Five Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Clearly no intent to go after or tackle the RB. Hitting the QB at knee level when he could have easily blown him up with a higher tackle can quickly be interpreted as malicious intent. In either case, totally unnecessary as the ball was long gone. Dirty play by a dirty thug. Not that the NFL truly gives a crap about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Just because you hand the ball off in shot gun doesn't mean your running a read option that looks exactly the same as a draw play. Had that ben Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or our own beloved Andrew Luck people would still have been up in arms. The ball was long gone and Suggs was taking a cheap shot. He easily could have wrapped him up around the midsection. Fact is above the neck and at the knees and below is going to be a violation. There was no reason for the hit...and especially on a qb in the preseason. It could have been worse but he went low and he went late...Suggs didn't even play the running back he was going to hit the qb the whole time regardless of how long the ball had left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 It was almost two full seconds the ball was gone. And the RB was definitely 2-3 yards gone when he got hit.I would be more ok with it had he not blatantly put his head at knee level. There was no need for it. Do you really think that if Suggs stayed upright that Bradford would have run him over? Its not like its a hard charging RB where you have to get low.2 full seconds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 2 full seconds?If the qb had thrown the ball instead and the lb takes two full steps and still hits him...its a flag all day....and Suggs had already dropped his head on the play....I don't see how anyone can argue he is targeting. He isn't playing heads up football...seems pretty clear to me but I guess everyone sees what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffensivelyPC Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Keep the Suggs talk over in the Suggs article. As for the soundbite, I heard it on Mike and Mike this morning. I thought it was kinda funny. I thought the response, forget who it was from, was even funnier. Basically, it was somethign like, if you want to make more money, be one of the top 32 at the QB position. He can complain, but it's just the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lollygagger8 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 It was almost two full seconds the ball was gone. And the RB was definitely 2-3 yards gone when he got hit.I would be more ok with it had he not blatantly put his head at knee level. There was no need for it. Do you really think that if Suggs stayed upright that Bradford would have run him over? Its not like its a hard charging RB where you have to get low. 2 secs is a gross exaggeration. I personally feel Suggs was going for direct hit on Bradford (since with read option the QB could become the runner) and Bradford spun out of the way and Suggs hits his knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLfan Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Keep the Suggs talk over in the Suggs article.As for the soundbite, I heard it on Mike and Mike this morning. I thought it was kinda funny. I thought the response, forget who it was from, was even funnier. Basically, it was somethign like, if you want to make more money, be one of the top 32 at the QB position. He can complain, but it's just the way it is.The response was from your backup QB's brother Tim Hasselbeck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyChamp Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 2 FULL SECONDS! 2! FULL! SECONDS! 2! FULL! SEC! ONDS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 2 secs is a gross exaggeration. I personally feel Suggs was going for direct hit on Bradford (since with read option the QB could become the runner) and Bradford spun out of the way and Suggs hits his knees. From the time the ball hits the RB to the time suggs hits him is almost 2 seconds. between 1.5 to 2. So you are trying to say that if bradford didnt spin that suggs would not have hit his knees? Funny i dont recall bradford practicing his ballerina footwork and doing a jumping pirouette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo2004 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Depends on how he's defining mediocrity. I'm guessing he's holding QB's to a higher standard then he is other players. The thing about NFL QB's is not only how important they are to the game but how few good starters there actually are. The best QB's likely to hit free agency in any given year are Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, and Brian Hoyer. These guys are not what I would call a "good starter" However with any other position you can usually find good starters in free agency. On top of that a draft class for any other position almost always would provide at least 1 good starter most of the time far more good starters in each and every draft class. Not true with QB's, you will often see drafts that do not produce one decent long term starting QB. Much less several. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsLegacy Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 From the time the ball hits the RB to the time suggs hits him is almost 2 seconds. between 1.5 to 2. . Not even close. The whole deal with the read option is even when the ball is in the RBs gut the QB can still pull it and run. Bradford had only just pulled his hands from the RBs gut and Suggs was already on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bavanlan Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 "Quarterback is the only position in the NFL where you could be mediocre and get paid. At every other position, you can't be mediocre.Here's the whole article.http://www.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13509616/michael-bennett-seattle-seahawks-rips-quarterbacks-deals-reaction-hitsThen he should play QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 . Not even close.The whole deal with the read option is even when the ball is in the RBs gut the QB can still pull it and run. Bradford had only just pulled his hands from the RBs gut and Suggs was already on him. you need to look again. at initial contact, the RB was already at the line of scrimmage. Or were just watching two totally different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsLegacy Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 you need to look again. at initial contact, the RB was already at the line of scrimmage. Or were just watching two totally different things.And it took the RB a full 2 seconds to get to the LOS, huh? Trent Richardson isn't even that slow.By the time Bradford had pulled his hands from the RBs gut Suggs was fully committed and that's how you're supposed to play the read option. If the QB was a scrambler like Michael Vick nobody would question the motives of that hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsLegacy Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Just because you hand the ball off in shot gun doesn't mean your running a read option that looks exactly the same as a draw play. Had that ben Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or our own beloved Andrew Luck people would still have been up in arms. The ball was long gone and Suggs was taking a cheap shot. He easily could have wrapped him up around the midsection. Fact is above the neck and at the knees and below is going to be a violation. There was no reason for the hit...and especially on a qb in the preseason. It could have been worse but he went low and he went late...Suggs didn't even play the running back he was going to hit the qb the whole time regardless of how long the ball had left.Besides the fact that it was a clear read option run by a team that runs hundreds of read options a season.I'll play the other side of the coin. If the QB was a scrambler like Mike Vick, nobody questions the motives of that hit. Suggs played that perfectly, if Bradford keeps it he's stopped cold. The QB was Suggs' responsibility in case of read option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braveheartcolt Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 A Seasquawk's player with a big mouth. Go figure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 And it took the RB a full 2 seconds to get to the LOS, huh? Trent Richardson isn't even that slow.By the time Bradford had pulled his hands from the RBs gut Suggs was fully committed and that's how you're supposed to play the read option. If the QB was a scrambler like Michael Vick nobody would question the motives of that hit. And like i said in other posts. Whether 'committed' or not, there was time to realize he didnt have the ball and pull up or atleast went for a tackle around his midsection. I've seen other players do it, but i guess Suggs is just not as smart or maybe cogniscent as the rest of the league. Either way, he committed to Bradfords knees. Unnecessary and uncalled for. And furthermore it is just poor and dumb technique to just leave his feet and dive like he did. If he were to miss, this leaves him unable to react and recover. You're telling me that a professional who gets paid millions does not understand this? It was intentional and dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsLegacy Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 And like i said in other posts. Whether 'committed' or not, there was time to realize he didnt have the ball and pull up or atleast went for a tackle around his midsection. I've seen other players do it, but i guess Suggs is just not as smart or maybe cogniscent as the rest of the league. Either way, he committed to Bradfords knees. Unnecessary and uncalled for. And furthermore it is just poor and dumb technique to just leave his feet and dive like he did. If he were to miss, this leaves him unable to react and recover. You're telling me that a professional who gets paid millions does not understand this? It was intentional and dirty.Again there was no time. That was bang bang. He did his job, you can't hesitate to see whether the QB has the ball or not.Believe whatever you'd like. It was a poor form tackle but that doesn't make it dirty. Even the league backed him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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