Mathis for MVP?

[bap1331]

Considering he has 11.5 sacks and has already tied the record for most sacks in a season. Imagine that its only halfway through the season and the first half was the hardest part of our schedule. Now we're entering the easy part of the schedule. Man he is going to kill this record.

What do you think??

[SkyBane]

Not a chance. That is Manning's award to lose, and as great as Mathis has played, he may not even be DPOY, theres some guys in KC who have been lights out.

[Dustin]

No way. If Watt didn't gt a single vote last year, no defensive player will ever win it.

[SteelCityColt]

If JJ Watt couldn't win it after THAT season then no chance.

[jmac_48]

Let's win the division, and go deep in the playoffs before we consider most valuable anything!

Not even half a season played yet????????

[AllYouNeedIsLuck]

Peyton has that locked up already

[Insert Colts Pun Here]

He's definitely in with a chance for DPOY. 

 

Leading the league in sacks and tied for 3rd in forced fumbles.

[MAC]

Considering he has 11.5 sacks and has already tied the record for most sacks in a season.

What are you talking about? That's not close to the record.

 

Plus wouldn't you have to be the most valuable member of your own team before you could be considered most valuable in the league? There are good reasons why QBs dominate the MVP award.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

Considering he has 11.5 sacks and has already tied the record for most sacks in a season. Imagine that its only halfway through the season and the first half was the hardest part of our schedule. Now we're entering the easy part of the schedule. Man he is going to kill this record.

What do you think??

The record is 22.5 sacks.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Personally I don't think Mathis will get the record. I think somewhere down the line he'll have a few more "San Diego goos eggs" where his pass rush is countered (by uncalled holding or good line play) and even his decent run defense looks bad. Still have high hopes that he'll get that record and don't really see a reason why he shouldn't. Just a gut feeling

[CR91]

has a defensive player ever won the mvp?

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

has a defensive player ever won the mvp?

Alan Page and Lawrence Taylor

[ColtsFanMikeC]

Mathis isn't even the MVP of our own team -- Andrew Luck would win that award. 

 

Don't get me wrong -- Mathis is playing great, and he definitely should be up there in the voting for DPOY, but as others have noted there is some solid D being played right now in KC and I think the edge would go to Tamba Hali if voting were today.

 

The other thing with having a defensive player win MVP is that there seems to be more 'specialists' on D now a days than ever before.  Mathis is doing a great job pressuring the QB, and he looked excellent vs. the run against Denver, but the way he was being used (over-pursuit of the QB) against SD led to some huge plays.  While Mathis is greatly improving as an overall LB since making the transition last year, I still think he is too one-dimensional as a pass-rusher to be considered for MVP.  Of course, getting sacks is very important, and should count huge for DPOY voting.

 

Offense is also seeing more 'specialists' (e.g., other than AP there are very few every-down, do-it-all RBs in the league any more -- there is value in rotations and having guys like Darren Sproles, Reggie Bush, Donnie Brown, etc. that can come in and have a few explosive plays here and there but probably would not be able to withstand the every down abuse).  For that reason, I think unless there is an RB that is the main focal point of an offense putting up outstanding numbers and changing game (e.g., AP putting up 2,000 yards on the ground when there are 8 stacked in the box every single play), quarterbacks should be the most-likely to win MVP awards, as they touch the ball every play, often times have to change plays at the line, and are ultimately in charge of distributing the ball and not being 'specialists'.  Unfortunately, stats need to be considered and that makes it extremely difficult for WR's to have valid shots at winning MVP -- Megatron's performance against Dallas was MVP-esque, because he put up amazing numbers and was facing combinations of double/triple coverage at times, but being double/triple teamed can really reduce stats.... I think there is an argument that could be made for a WR like that though, because by taking 2 or 3 defenders to focus on one WR, there will always be a mismatch to allow the offense to exploit another area of defense  -- of course, there are no measurable stats for this.... which, IMO, should benefit a QB's chance at winning MVP because it is often up to him to find these mismatches and exploit them.

 

Still, we have 9 games left -- let's just hope Mathis and the rest of our team stay healthy.  A whole lot can happen in 9 weeks in the NFL (heck, a whole lot can happen in 1 week to change the dynamic of a team or the chance of a player winning any individual awards).

[CR91]

Alan Page and Lawrence Taylor

 

I figured taylor, but page? didnt know that. the judge of the purple people eaters

[beavis]

yeah Luck has a better chance at MVP and right now he's nowhere near Manning

[jamesie jr]

If he gets 30 sacks maybe. Even then it will be unlikely because Peyton is playing insane!

[Blackhawk4]

I'd give him DPOY (So far) before even considering putting him in MVP conversation. 

[jvan1973]

Considering he has 11.5 sacks and has already tied the record for most sacks in a season. Imagine that its only halfway through the season and the first half was the hardest part of our schedule. Now we're entering the easy part of the schedule. Man he is going to kill this record.

What do you think??

First off, 11.5 is not the record. Second, strahan didn't wi mvp when he set the record

[NewEra]

DPOY if he keeps it up. Not MVP. Manning may get that till he retires!

[Everyone]

Mathis should be the guy to beat for DPOY, but all anyone talks about is either Watt, Hali and mainly Houston. It's crazy that Mathis isn't the headliner because he doesn't have a great line or even a decent pass rushing partner. Houston and Hali are both great but they compliment each other and have caused sacks for one another. Who does Mathis have?

[Synthetic]

No

 

because no one likes defensive players, they like to drool at stat hogging offensive gawd like players that make everyone go "OMG OMG OMG!!!"

[CCF]

Peyton would have to do something dramatic in the 2nd half to not win the MVP, though I think Brady being 6-2 with that team is more impressive. Stats don't always equate to "MVP", that's what offensive POY is for. What they are doing in New England is shocking with that roster.

[TKnight24]

He's on the that's automatically disqualified from any national honors

Didn't we already discuss that the media doesn't take us as a legit team?

[Dustin]

Peyton would have to do something dramatic in the 2nd half to not win the MVP, though I think Brady being 6-2 with that team is more impressive. Stats don't always equate to "MVP", that's what offensive POY is for. What they are doing in New England is shocking with that roster.

That's what a good defense will do for you. New england is winning most of their games in spite of their offense.

[CCF]

That's what a good defense will do for you. New england is winning most of their games in spite of their offense.

Yeah good D, but there were a couple games like the NO game that was on Brady elevating and undrafted rookie to hero status.

[SteelCityColt]

Hang on is this the official "Matthis for MVP " thread? I refuse to contibute unless it's legit

But seriously as per all the above it would take a major miracle of exceptional performance.

[Dustin]

Yeah good D, but there were a couple games like the NO game that was on Brady elevating and undrafted rookie to hero status.

That was pretty much the only game. Maybe the Atlanta game as well.

[BOTT]

If JJ Watt couldn't win it last year, I'm not sure a defensive player will ever win it again.

[chad hugo]

not happening, they dont even have mathis in the "next level" category, players like Hali, Watt are placed above him

[21isSuperman]

He would need to have a monster year to get MVP considerations...like 30 sacks

[Gavin]

He would have to be an all around type defensive player to even be seriously brought up in the discussion and he simply isn't, He is great at getting sacks and putting pressure on the QB but he is a liability against the run

[trueblueblood]

He probably won't even be a pro bowler this year. Sad, but true. Even though i think he will break the single season sack record

[Carlos Danger]

He would have to be an all around type defensive player to even be seriously brought up in the discussion and he simply isn't, He is great at getting sacks and putting pressure on the QB but he is a liability against the run

I agree with you, but will say that he should get some DPOY love if he breaks the sack record... I think he has a very good shot to do it.. imagine how many 3rd and longs the Rams, Cardinals, and Jags will have in those games...

[Dustin]

He probably won't even be a pro bowler this year. Sad, but true. Even though i think he will break the single season sack record

He was a pro-bowler last year.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

He would have to be an all around type defensive player to even be seriously brought up in the discussion and he simply isn't, He is great at getting sacks and putting pressure on the QB but he is a liability against the run

I agree...unless Mathis manages to get like 30 sacks and 20 forced fumbles.  And Peyton might still get it anyway.

[Jules]

Peyton pretty much won MVP after week 1.

[SteelDragon]

DPOY is about the most Mathis could hope for..... and in my opinion, would be just as huge.  

FWIW, it's a QB-driven league, and they're going to get all the hyperbole 

[ricker182]

Just saw on NFL Network that they were picking Tom Brady for MVP. The fans agreed.

How in the world could you even make that case at this point?

[oldunclemark]

Considering he has 11.5 sacks and has already tied the record for most sacks in a season. Imagine that its only halfway through the season and the first half was the hardest part of our schedule. Now we're entering the easy part of the schedule. Man he is going to kill this record.

What do you think??

Who was the last LB/D-line MVP..

Lawrence Taylor in the 80s?? Alan Page in the 60s?

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

Just saw on NFL Network that they were picking Tom Brady for MVP. The fans agreed.

How in the world could you even make that case at this point?

Seriously dude...have you seen his sweaters?