Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Rebelknight

So much for Chapman seeing any action

54 posts in this topic

He wouldn't of been a impact anyway, would of been very limited in the game.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He was going to be limited anyway, Besides he will be a 2 Down rotational Nose Tackle in my opinion, wont likely ever see a whole ton of action probably even after 100 percent

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would love to have seen the "The Boss 61" out there. Oh well, the run D was pretty stout for the most part any way.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He was going to be limited anyway, Besides he will be a 2 Down rotational Nose Tackle in my opinion, wont likely ever see a whole ton of action probably even after 100 percent

Maybe I am missing something GAVIN but I don`t see our nose tackles making ANY Difference in the games.

Chapman could EASILY be better than Johnson and start making plays on Down 1.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok, where you say "Inactive for this Game" is that referring to the Pats Game, or the Bills Game???

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Actually, we got good push vs the run, IMO. Our LBs finished the job real well against the run.

We however failed miserably vs the pass, and I will take our run D as a bright spot to carry over against a good run O like the Bills.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Actually, we got good push vs the run, IMO. Our LBs finished the job real well against the run.

We however failed miserably vs the pass, and I will take our run D as a bright spot to carry over against a good run O like the Bills.

Yup. I don't get all this noise about Chapman. I'm looking forward to having him contribute, but he wouldn't have done much to help our run defense yesterday. As it is, we only had one problematic run gain against us. Aside from that one, we gave up 2.8 yards per carry. We stopped 7 of 25 carries for a loss or no gain.

Maybe a better interior lineman would have gotten some better push on Brady, but really we collapsed the pocket fine. He just had us timed up too well, and we couldn't cover their receivers for the requisite two seconds to actually get to him.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yup. I don't get all this noise about Chapman. I'm looking forward to having him contribute, but he wouldn't have done much to help our run defense yesterday. As it is, we only had one problematic run gain against us. Aside from that one, we gave up 2.8 yards per carry. We stopped 7 of 25 carries for a loss or no gain.

Maybe a better interior lineman would have gotten some better push on Brady, but really we collapsed the pocket fine. He just had us timed up too well, and we couldn't cover their receivers for the requisite two seconds to actually get to him.

I like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Actually, we got good push vs the run, IMO. Our LBs finished the job real well against the run.

We however failed miserably vs the pass, and I will take our run D as a bright spot to carry over against a good run O like the Bills.

Yup. I don't get all this noise about Chapman. I'm looking forward to having him contribute, but he wouldn't have done much to help our run defense yesterday. As it is, we only had one problematic run gain against us. Aside from that one, we gave up 2.8 yards per carry. We stopped 7 of 25 carries for a loss or no gain.

Maybe a better interior lineman would have gotten some better push on Brady, but really we collapsed the pocket fine. He just had us timed up too well, and we couldn't cover their receivers for the requisite two seconds to actually get to him.

Agreed. And we're not Healthy at CB so I didn't expect Welker to be Shutdown like he would against a Defense like the 49ers ro whoever. But our Run Defense is getting better just like the Team is Week in & Week out.

We just played with the Big Boys today, & found out what it meant to play with them

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yup. I don't get all this noise about Chapman. I'm looking forward to having him contribute, but he wouldn't have done much to help our run defense yesterday. As it is, we only had one problematic run gain against us. Aside from that one, we gave up 2.8 yards per carry. We stopped 7 of 25 carries for a loss or no gain.

Maybe a better interior lineman would have gotten some better push on Brady, but really we collapsed the pocket fine. He just had us timed up too well, and we couldn't cover their receivers for the requisite two seconds to actually get to him.

I can see the noise about Chapman but simply from the fact that, if he becomes the player many believe he will be, then he and Mookie will be a much better 1-2 rotation at NT than Mookie - Tevaseu. Still, Chapman is probably not going to be much of a threat when it comes to pass rushing. Also, if/when Chapman is ready to go 100%, then they can try kicking Mookie over to 5-tech on early/run downs.

Unfortunately though, Chapman won't really have any contributions to the runs that are busted to the outside on our D, and that's where the majority of big runs have come. So yeah he will be able to help, but if anything the biggest contribution he might have is to prove to some of the fans and media that Mookie is not the biggest problem in our D and that NT is not the biggest area of concern...personally I don't think NT is an area of concern at all at this point, at least until we see what Chapman can bring. Between that and hopefully getting McKinney back healthy next year then I think we should be fine at NT. Just my humble opinion though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I can see the noise about Chapman but simply from the fact that, if he becomes the player many believe he will be, then he and Mookie will be a much better 1-2 rotation at NT than Mookie - Tevaseu. Still, Chapman is probably not going to be much of a threat when it comes to pass rushing. Also, if/when Chapman is ready to go 100%, then they can try kicking Mookie over to 5-tech on early/run downs.

Unfortunately though, Chapman won't really have any contributions to the runs that are busted to the outside on our D, and that's where the majority of big runs have come. So yeah he will be able to help, but if anything the biggest contribution he might have is to prove to some of the fans and media that Mookie is not the biggest problem in our D and that NT is not the biggest area of concern...personally I don't think NT is an area of concern at all at this point, at least until we see what Chapman can bring. Between that and hopefully getting McKinney back healthy next year then I think we should be fine at NT. Just my humble opinion though.

Nose tackle was a problem against the Jets. Other than that, I think our interior line play has been adequate. There's been a couple games it's been really good.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A lot of you say that chapman cannot rush the passer, but you are getting that from his last season with BAMA? He played injured on one leg. Arians himself said he cannot wait to see how this kid plays on two legs. So, I am not listening to anyone on this board about chapman's limitations because you don't know anymore than the rest of us.

3 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It'd have been nice to get him some game experience, but as others noted, we didn't really need him yesterday. And if he's not ready, he's not ready. It's not worth rushing him back before he's 100%.

I know the two don't play the same spot, but Fili Moala's been playing much better ball lately. Just figured I'd put that out somewhere lol.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It'd have been nice to get him some game experience, but as others noted, we didn't really need him yesterday. And if he's not ready, he's not ready. It's not worth rushing him back before he's 100%.

I know the two don't play the same spot, but Fili Moala's been playing much better ball lately. Just figured I'd put that out somewhere lol.

*Places statement in the Forum*

There you go, we appreciate you putting that out there lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A lot of you say that chapman cannot rush the passer, but you are getting that from his last season with BAMA? He played injured on one leg. Arians himself said he cannot wait to see how this kid plays on two legs. So, I am not listening to anyone on this board about chapman's limitations because you don't know anymore than the rest of us.

I'm not so much saying that he can't rush the passer, but rather that was never really what he was known for at Alabama, even prior to the injury. His strengths were his physical strength and his ability to clog running lanes and anchor the Dline primarily on run downs. He did also play in 4 man fronts as well lining up at various positions so it's not to say that he can't rush the passer, just rather, personally, I don't want people to get too hyped up thinking he'll be a great pass rusher when we really don't know. I just don't want to see the inevitable disappointment threads and posts afterwards saying he's a bust or we shouldn't have taken him because he can't get to the QB (if that turns out to be the case). Even in his draft scout profiles before last season started, they pretty much all said the same thing in that he was limited at that time as a pass rusher. Hopefully he can use his brute strength to get into the backfield and if he can get a pass rush and accumulate some sacks then that's great. Like I said, more than anything I guess I just want people to keep from getting unrealistic expectations about him. And just as a side note, I get what you mean in your last statement, but it was perhaps unnecessarily combative in the way you said it. ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What do you not understand about this? IF he is as good as advertised, he will occupy two linemen, allowing for our edge rush to be more effective. I didn't review game tape or anything after watching, but we could not get anything going against Brady pass-rush wise. When guards/tackles can slide out and chip Freeney and Mathis, that makes it much tougher to get to the QB. And they were missing TWO starting lineman. We did get pressure on Brady a few times, but not consistently. Where Chapman can make an impact is OCCUPYING TWO LINEMAN, whether running or passing. If he does that, more often than not we win the matchup in the trenches. He will help collapse the pocket from the middle just be demanding double teams. That's how a good NT works. Whether it be running or passing, he hopefully will clog those lanes and get a push into the backfield. NTs aren't meant to be "pass rush" specialists. They free up the ends to do that, especially in a 3-4

6 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And don't forget the impact of losing Nevis. He was playing decently, and now is gone. More importantly, it leaves us thin at DT....that mattered too

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm not so much saying that he can't rush the passer, but rather that was never really what he was known for at Alabama, even prior to the injury. His strengths were his physical strength and his ability to clog running lanes and anchor the Dline primarily on run downs. He did also play in 4 man fronts as well lining up at various positions so it's not to say that he can't rush the passer, just rather, personally, I don't want people to get too hyped up thinking he'll be a great pass rusher when we really don't know. I just don't want to see the inevitable disappointment threads and posts afterwards saying he's a bust or we shouldn't have taken him because he can't get to the QB (if that turns out to be the case). Even in his draft scout profiles before last season started, they pretty much all said the same thing in that he was limited at that time as a pass rusher. Hopefully he can use his brute strength to get into the backfield and if he can get a pass rush and accumulate some sacks then that's great. Like I said, more than anything I guess I just want people to keep from getting unrealistic expectations about him. And just as a side note, I get what you mean in your last statement, but it was perhaps unnecessarily combative in the way you said it. ;)

Yeah, I agree. And I see a lot of Bama games so I'm not just going by scouting reports.

Yes, he wouldn't have made any impact yesterday. Brady was picking us apart at will. We clearly couldn't cover Welker or Gronkowski without exposing the rest of our D. But he'll help against "normal" teams that need to establish the run in order to pass effectively.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Actually if he could have demanded double teams then he could have freed up freeney which could of helped

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe I am missing something GAVIN but I don`t see our nose tackles making ANY Difference in the games.

Chapman could EASILY be better than Johnson and start making plays on Down 1.

I never said Mookie was or will ever be the answer, I dont believe he is a future starter at Nose, I believe if Chapman is as advertised and is 100 percent at some point then he is our future Nose Tackle. I do however believe Mookie is the best NT we have playing right now and is a suitable rotational Nose Tackle who can deliver something that Chapman has never been known for and wont be expected to do more then likely obviously because thats not a NT job and that is provide some form of pass rush when called on to do so

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I hope Chapman at least sees a few downs. If his leg is ok, then let him roll.

Side note: How come Geathers hasn't been playing much? Is he that bad? On paper the dude is Godzilla.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Any updates on if he will play against Buffalo? Should be a good test for him with Spiller and Jackson. Though I remember one of them being injured/out for an extended period.. don't know which one though..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He was going to be limited anyway, Besides he will be a 2 Down rotational Nose Tackle in my opinion, wont likely ever see a whole ton of action probably even after 100 percent

this is absolutely crap. you are assuming WAY too many things. You have no idea what he can or will do for us at DT. The guy was the MVP of his team on one good leg.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

this is absolutely crap. you are assuming WAY too many things. You have no idea what he can or will do for us at DT. The guy was the MVP of his team on one good leg.

We will just have to see how he does. Anyone who can be a standout on alabamas defense should be a stud. I'm definitely excited to see him play

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It seems like this would be a good opportunity to see what he can do....we're playing a solid Run Offense, hes a run stopper, right?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

this is absolutely crap. you are assuming WAY too many things. You have no idea what he can or will do for us at DT. The guy was the MVP of his team on one good leg.

I know what a NT's job is in a 3-4, I know he rarely provided any pass rush at NT at Bama (something like 2.5 sack in his career). I didnt know aou the MVP thing or is that just an opinion?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I know what a NT's job is in a 3-4, I know he rarely provided any pass rush at NT at Bama (something like 2.5 sack in his career). I didnt know aou the MVP thing or is that just an opinion?

Again with your stats man. I remember you told me about some guy you want drafted in this upcoming draft. Something like "He might not have the stats to show for it but he provides pressure". Same could be said for Chapman, who played with a torn ACL last year.
1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Based on what I saw, our LBs were flying to the ball on run D. That only meant one thing, the point of attack stalemate was working like it should with the NT and D-line. Redding, AJ and Moala did a very good job against the running game of the Pats.

Personally, I do not think run D is a weakness of ours like years past. Yes, we may give up a run here or two of 10+ yards. But for the most part, we are definitely top half of the league when healthy on D-line on run D. We will miss Redding on that front in the Bills game.

Our pass D, however, it is a question of whether teams want to expose it or not, that is how I feel, because I think it is bottom of the pile. I am almost happy to see an opposing team run a running play as opposed to passing play for that reason.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Again with your stats man. I remember you told me about some guy you want drafted in this upcoming draft. Something like "He might not have the stats to show for it but he provides pressure". Same could be said for Chapman, who played with a torn ACL last year.

Couldn't be Brandon Jenkins or Devin Taylor at OLB and certainly not a NT. not sure who else you could be talking about, I know its not about #'s all the time

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why is it that some people simply can't propose an opposing viewpoint without being a condescending jerk about it?

this is absolutely crap. you are assuming WAY too many things. You have no idea what he can or will do for us at DT. The guy was the MVP of his team on one good leg.

It's not absolute crap. It's his opinion, which he is entitled to. I happen to agree with him. I watched the majority of Bama's games last year and, yes I understand Chapman was hurt, but even prior to his injury he was not known for his pass rushing ability. He can bull rush, but at that point in time, that was pretty much it. He hopefully will be able to collapse the pocket if required, but odds are he won't be on the field much on known passing downs.

What do you not understand about this? IF he is as good as advertised, he will occupy two linemen, allowing for our edge rush to be more effective. I didn't review game tape or anything after watching, but we could not get anything going against Brady pass-rush wise. When guards/tackles can slide out and chip Freeney and Mathis, that makes it much tougher to get to the QB. And they were missing TWO starting lineman. We did get pressure on Brady a few times, but not consistently. Where Chapman can make an impact is OCCUPYING TWO LINEMAN, whether running or passing. If he does that, more often than not we win the matchup in the trenches. He will help collapse the pocket from the middle just be demanding double teams. That's how a good NT works. Whether it be running or passing, he hopefully will clog those lanes and get a push into the backfield. NTs aren't meant to be "pass rush" specialists. They free up the ends to do that, especially in a 3-4

Yes, he should be able to occupy two linemen, but that still won't exactly take pressure away from Freeney or Mathis. Freeney and Mathis can and will still be double teamed in some form by opposing teams by blocking them one on one with the OT and then helping either with a chip or flat out double team by a TE or RB. So having a stout NT on passing downs in the middle of the OL occupying the OC and one of the OG's does not help take focus away from Freeney or Mathis. Throughout the course of the year, in known passing situations, the Colts have been putting out a 4 man front, and they put out the 4 best outside and interior pass rushers they have. At DE they put out Freeney, Mathis, Hughes and Hickman (on occasion) and in the middle they put out Redding, Nevis, Moala or Matthews. If what you said were true and they wanted a guy on the inside to occupy a double team on known passing downs, then either Mookie or Tevaseu would be in on every passing down. That, however, has not been the case. Mookie does get in on passing downs occasionally but it's primarily when the other interior guys (Redding, Nevis, Matthews, Moala) are either injured or fatigued. And I will say that Mookie has improved from week to week in getting penetration into the pocket. However the point remains, on known passing downs, the Colts have been putting out the best 4 guys on the DL to get penetration into the backfield and try to get a sack. Chapman's strength was never his penetrating ability but rather his ability to hold the point. Now if he can eventually become a great pass rusher, then that would be fantastic. I just hope people don't get too caught up in unrealistic expectations though and get disappointed if he does not turn out to be that kind of player.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He was going to be limited anyway, Besides he will be a 2 Down rotational Nose Tackle in my opinion, wont likely ever see a whole ton of action probably even after 100 percent

That's not a bad thing. Look at Casey Hampton.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That's not a bad thing. Look at Casey Hampton.

Nope, Never said it was, just stating my opinion based on what I saw from Chapman and his abilities at Alabama and also based on what we do with our interior D Linemen
1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Brady is deflating the NFL'S balls as we speak. 
    • I am going with Cincinnati, giving  them the edge,  being at home.  They held their own for the better part of 3 quarters against the Broncos, then the Broncos DEF was just too much at the end of the game.  
    • I've put two parts of your post into bold, and I'd like to address them.   I'll take the last one first....    about this team not being good enough to recover from Luck's mistakes.    Well, we recovered this week.     We still beat San Diego.      If you're saying we can't make mistakes and beat Denver,  then I agree,  but that's Denver.     At least we beat San Diego and overcame our mistakes.   As to Brady, Rodgers and Wilson.       I think you'll see their raw interception numbers are far less than Lucks.   Now,  they're attempting fewer passes, so their int % is better than Luck's but perhaps not as great as one might think.       Still,  Brady  Rodgers and Wilson are able to go up and down the field and throw far fewer interceptions than Luck.     And it gives me no pleasure to say that.    Notice my avatar.                        B                        R                     W               L 15                 7                         8                      8               12 (7 games) 14                 9                         5                      7               16  13                11                        6                      9                 9 12                 8                         8                     10              18   11                12                        6 10                  4                      11 09                13                       7 08                  0 (hurt)             13  07                  8 06                12 05                14 04                14 03                12 02                14 01                12
    • Umm, don't lump me in with everyone else. I'm plenty critical of Luck, when I think he deserves it.    1) Luck didn't try to get free, he tried to get down. He was sandwiched between two defenders who were holding him up and trying to take the ball away. I believe the play should have been whistled dead before the ball started to come out. The play was a max protect with no short outlets, no hot routes, and Luck was getting hit by free rushers within 2 seconds after he took the snap so he couldn't pull the ball down or throw it away. That fumble is NOT his fault. It was awful protection -- when the QB should be able to rely on good protection -- and it was a case of bad officiating.    2) The pick against Denver was a bad throw, and unnecessary. He had time, wasn't being pressured, and had two dumpoffs to either side of the field. He tried to force the ball into an inexperienced receiver with a savvy and aggressive corner closing in. Bad decision, bad throw, bad result.   3) The pick against SD was worse, because it was a one read in iso man coverage, and not only did Luck not see the CB's good position, he didn't put the ball in a place where the receiver could try to hold off the defender. 
  • Welcome New Members

    • Welcome here Nils!   I can tell you, most of football fans in Hungary are Patriots fans...unfortunately. 
    • Hi, Nils here....   I know a lot of Europeans support the Patriots, but all I can say is no way man, no way!   I'm not entirely sure when I started to follow and cheer for the Colts, but I has no shame in admitting that it was when Manning begun to really shine. It was probably back in 1999 because I seem to remember that play-off game against the Titans.   I also remember the I loved how the Colts would play a beautiful offensive game whereas other teams were boring with their defensive strengths. Aaaahh, those were the days!   I was introduced to American Football during my American Politics/presidential election study in Washington D.C. in the fall of 1996 (Clinton vs Dole). Didn't really get attached to any team back then, so you can say that Redskins just left me totally uninspired.   It is a great and welcoming forum here - and that is just how I remembered America too.    
  • Members

Community Software by Invision Power Services, Inc.