Update: Charges against Drew Ogletree dismissed with prejudice (merge). **Ogletree reinstated pg4 updated**

[Superman]

22 minutes ago, krunk said:

I'm assuming there is a good chance Ballard just stays with the tight end room he has now and just gets a blocking tight end to replace Mo Cox. Which honestly that can be found in free agency. Not so sure about Bowers now. I was more into it when I thought Ogletree was done. I could be wrong.

 

Having Ogletree wouldn't stop me from drafting Bowers.

 

I don't know why MAC stays on the roster. He's not making a ton of money, but he plays 38% of offensive snaps, and he's not a difference maker in any aspect of the game. 

[BCMak24]

2 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

It doesn't mean she told the truth either

[csmopar]

5 minutes ago, PRnum1 said:

Is it possible that the case was dismissed simply because the victim did not want to further pursue charges ?

 

This is often what happens with battered women.  They initially file charges when they are first beaten then later dismiss the charges as they don't want to spoil their meal ticket and fall back into line.

 

I wonder if there were pictures of the bruises and marks ?

Not with the prejudice added. At least it would be extremely unusual based on my experience. 
 

typically if a victim recants or doesn’t want to press charges, the charges are just dismissed. Just dismissing the charges would allow the victim and or prosecutors to pursue new charges down the road if the victim later wishes to pursue them again. 

 

By adding the “with prejudice” label, the charges for this incident can never be refiled. Usually this is only done if the judge finds that the charges were based in a falsehood and or completely fabricated, OR in some self defense situations. 

[Superman]

7 minutes ago, PRnum1 said:

Is it possible that the case was dismissed simply because the victim did not want to further pursue charges ?

 

This is often what happens with battered women.  They initially file charges when they are first beaten then later dismiss the charges as they don't want to spoil their meal ticket and fall back into line.

 

I wonder if there were pictures of the bruises and marks ?

 

Holder has a tweet saying that was not the case here. He says the dismissal was the result of further investigation, not a lack of cooperation.

 

Also, this was not a civil case. Ogletree was being charged by the DA's office. The accuser would not have the option to dismiss the charges, that would only be done by the prosecution team or by the judge.

[indyagent17]

1 hour ago, ArmchairQB said:

I’m sure there was a lesson learned in this for Ogletree as well.  At least I hope that’s the case 

Ask McNary the same question! Once again exonerated by attacked the day the news came out by Colts fans!

[Superman]

14 minutes ago, csmopar said:

No but with the way the charges were dismissed, it gives him more leverage in a civil case of false arrest, or even suing the police and  woman involved for slander or defamation. Not saying he would or should and I’m not a lawyer,  but in my time with law enforcement , I’ve seen many times where suspects with dismissed with prejudice situations sue and win under those grounds. 

 

If a player were accused of something, and the team responded by releasing him, and then put out a statement about how they want good people on the roster and said player doesn't meet that criteria, etc... The player gets exonerated, and then sues the team for defamation. I get that. It's also a simple enough trap to avoid, and if you have house counsel and they let you put out a release like that without having concrete evidence, then your organization is in bad shape.

[smittywerb]

If ogletree stays, I hope we cut cox lol

[csmopar]

7 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

If a player were accused of something, and the team responded by releasing him, and then put out a statement about how they want good people on the roster and said player doesn't meet that criteria, etc... The player gets exonerated, and then sues the team for defamation. I get that. It's also a simple enough trap to avoid, and if you have house counsel and they let you put out a release like that without having concrete evidence, then your organization is in bad shape.

I agree with you on a player trying to sue the team. I don’t think that would hold. I merely was saying that I think a case would hold against the police or accuser. 

[csmopar]

24 minutes ago, indyagent17 said:

Ask McNary the same question! Once again exonerated by attacked the day the news came out by Colts fans!

I was one of the very few standing up for McNary, the details on that case were very odd and didn’t seem right from the get go.

[Superman]

7 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I was one of the very few standing up for McNary, the details on that case were very odd and didn’t seem right from the get go.

 

I tried to learn a lesson from McNary. When the report came out that when the police showed up, his response was 'I know why you're here,' that seemed damning to me. As it turns out, he was found not guilty, apparently the accuser's story was found to be inconsistent, the verdict came quickly, and the prosecutor even said the jury did their job.

 

I don't know what happened in that situation either, and won't pretend to. But sometimes it's best to withhold judgment until more facts can be considered.

[GoColts8818]

43 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Having Ogletree wouldn't stop me from drafting Bowers.

 

I don't know why MAC stays on the roster. He's not making a ton of money, but he plays 38% of offensive snaps, and he's not a difference maker in any aspect of the game. 

Because the Colts like him more than we do.

[jvan1973]

1 hour ago, smittywerb said:

If ogletree stays, I hope we cut cox lol

[twfish]

3 hours ago, dw49 said:

Utterly ridiculous for the Colts to cut him considering this ruling.  Maybe a lawsuit would follow any such action by the Colts. There is such a thing as innocent until proven guilty.

You are aware that he didn't get cut right? He got put on the commissioners exempt list, he is still on the list and it is up to the NFL to decide if anything suspensions or fines happen. If they decide nothing and take him off the list then he goes right back on to the Colts roster...

[dw49]

19 minutes ago, twfish said:

You are aware that he didn't get cut right? He got put on the commissioners exempt list, he is still on the list and it is up to the NFL to decide if anything suspensions or fines happen. If they decide nothing and take him off the list then he goes right back on to the Colts roster...

 Of coarse . My first post said it would be ridiculous if he was cut because of the incident. That was in response to a few posts that I read to say the Colts still might take some kind of action against him

[krunk]

1 hour ago, smittywerb said:

If ogletree stays, I hope we cut cox lol

I think Ballards intent to get a blocking tight end kind of signals the end of Mo Cox

[NewColtsFan]

2 hours ago, dw49 said:

 

Yes ... I said I overstated my feelings. So why respond with "But it feels like you responded to your own claim for me.   You listed two lawsuits, and added neither amounted to much.  What does that tell you?

 

 I've been sued twice over ridiculous , unfounded real estate related incidents. In both cases my attorney advised me to settle. I cited 2 cases where litigation was started , one was dismissed , the other I think is still pending. So I'll stick by my belief that a team could be liable for a non football related cut. For instance , let's suppose the Colts cut a gay player and Jim Irsay in a drunken stupor said so at a bar. By your blanket statement , that player couldn't sue ? 

How did I start my response.   “You’re free to disagree.   That’s fine.”    
 

I thought I responded with respect to you.   I thought we were having a conversation.  I appear to have rubbed you the wrong way.  I’m sorry.  That was not my intention at all.  
 

You’re a long time favorite poster if mine.  I was not trying to give you a hard time.  Hope you’ll accept my apology?   

[ProblChld32]

5 hours ago, adubb84 said:

Glad the Colts waited on a potential release before making a decision. Will be interesting to see what happens next. 

I think he’s probably still gone tbh.

[GoColts8818]

4 minutes ago, ProblChld32 said:

I think he’s probably still gone tbh.

Why?  If he truly didn’t do anything wrong why wouldn’t the Colts bring him back?

[ProblChld32]

1 minute ago, GoColts8818 said:

Why?  If he truly didn’t do anything wrong why wouldn’t the Colts bring him back?

From what I’ve seen from the front office dealing with external issues. Just doesn’t seem in his favor to return. I could be wrong but i think they will definitely look further into the situation especially with domestic violence being a MAJOR concern in the NFL.

[GoColts8818]

1 minute ago, ProblChld32 said:

From what I’ve seen from the front office dealing with external issues. Just doesn’t seem in his favor to return. I could be wrong but i think they will definitely look further into the situation especially with domestic violence being a MAJOR concern in the NFL.

Read the story that’s coming out today.  The legal system is pretty much saying he didn’t do what he was accessed of.

[ProblChld32]

2 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Read the story that’s coming out today.  The legal system is pretty much saying he didn’t do what he was accessed of.

From what I gathered they’re verdict came solely off of inconsistencies that were pointed out in her story. That doesn’t necessarily says he’s guilty morally, just legally. Like I said I could be wrong but I just think he may no longer be a Colt come next season.

 

[Douzer]

As long as he gets away from anyone who would break his phone and start a physical assault on him, hell go on to have a really good career. They have a child so he'll have to navigate those landmines carefully, but he can get away from this type of abuse with a good support structure around him.  Hope he remains a Colt!

[Superman]

1 hour ago, GoColts8818 said:

Because the Colts like him more than we do.

 

They still don't appear to like him all that much, if he's playing 38% of offensive snaps. Before Ogletree's situation, he only had three games above 50%. He's basically a backup, but easily our highest paid TE, and believe or not still a top 20 paid TE in the league. He's not dragging our cap down, but we're not getting much out of him either way.

 

This is the year where there's no cap ramification for releasing him, but I guess we'll see.

[GoColts8818]

Just now, Superman said:

 

They still don't appear to like him all that much, if he's playing 38% of offensive snaps. Before Ogletree's situation, he only had three games above 50%. He's basically a backup, but easily our highest paid TE, and believe or not still a top 20 paid TE in the league. He's not dragging our cap down, but we're not getting much out of him either way.

 

This is the year where there's no cap ramification for releasing him, but I guess we'll see.

They still like him more than fans do here and see him as a factor in their offense which is why aren’t in a rush to release him.  

[dw49]

25 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

How did I start my response.   “You’re free to disagree.   That’s fine.”    
 

I thought I responded with respect to you.   I thought we were having a conversation.  I appear to have rubbed you the wrong way.  I’m sorry.  That was not my intention at all.  
 

You’re a long time favorite poster if mine.  I was not trying to give you a hard time.  Hope you’ll accept my apology?   

 

Naa .. no need . I'm old and cranky. My bad .

[Archer]

I'm very happy about this.  The info released and rumors circulated made the incident sound bad, so I'd already written Ogletree off.  But I really like him as a player, and it frees up the draft a little more - I had talked myself into the need for a 4th or 5th round TE...

[NewColtsFan]

54 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

Naa .. no need . I'm old and cranky. My bad .

No worries.   Funny, I never thought of you as old and cranky.   I’m 67.    You’re older?  Is the 49 in your name your birth year?  
 

 

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, Superman said:

 

They still don't appear to like him all that much, if he's playing 38% of offensive snaps. Before Ogletree's situation, he only had three games above 50%. He's basically a backup, but easily our highest paid TE, and believe or not still a top 20 paid TE in the league. He's not dragging our cap down, but we're not getting much out of him either way.

 

This is the year where there's no cap ramification for releasing him, but I guess we'll see.

Supe….    I think you’ve misspoken about Ogletree.    In your post you’ve called him the Colts highest paid tight end.   He’s not.   Not even close.  
 

Ogletree makes roughly $960k.  
 

But Granson makes nearly $3.3m.    
 

Just wanted to give you a heads-up.   I don’t know if that info changes your thinking at all?   

[Superman]

3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Supe….    I think you’ve misspoken about Ogletree.    In your post you’ve called him the Colts highest paid tight end.   He’s not.   Not even close.  
 

Ogletree makes roughly $960k.  
 

But Granson makes nearly $3.3m.    
 

Just wanted to give you a heads-up.   I don’t know if that info changes your thinking at all?   

 

I was talking about MAC. I see where my post could be confusing, though.

[krunk]

4 hours ago, Superman said:

 

Having Ogletree wouldn't stop me from drafting Bowers.

 

I don't know why MAC stays on the roster. He's not making a ton of money, but he plays 38% of offensive snaps, and he's not a difference maker in any aspect of the game. 

I think Ballard has a vision for Woods and Ogletree. If he is satisfied with what he has there Im reasoning that he won't be as moved to add to the tight end room other than what he specifically said he was looking for. Now of course that changes if they just have a really high grade on Bowers. I think Ballard actually does draft for need if everything is similar. In our case though I think the need is bigger at WR. I have no problem with us taking Bowers at 15 if we have a stellar grade on him above our need positions.

[Hoose]

18 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

I was talking about MAC. I see where my post could be confusing, though.

I do agree with you that MAC really brings little to the table anymore. He’s way overpaid and has regressed as a pass catcher. A solid blocking TE should be available for far less money.  I expect Mo to be jettisoned in a move to gain more cap space. 

[Superman]

4 minutes ago, Hoose said:

I do agree with you that MAC really brings little to the table anymore. He’s way overpaid and has regressed as a pass catcher. A solid blocking TE should be available for far less money.  I expect Mo to be jettisoned in a move to gain more cap space. 

 

I would expect that too, but to someone's point earlier, Ballard and Steichen keep mentioning him. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I guess we'll see.

 

Unlike last season, his guarantee doesn't kick in until Week 1, and we don't need the cap space, so there's no reason to rush. He could be a camp cut. And I don't actually care if they keep him, I just think we need to be better moving forward, and his age/contract make him the most obvious casualty.

[Superman]

24 minutes ago, krunk said:

I think Ballard has a vision for Woods and Ogletree. If he is satisfied with what he has there Im reasoning that he won't be as moved to add to the tight end room other than what he specifically said he was looking for. Now of course that changes if they just have a really high grade on Bowers. I think Ballard actually does draft for need if everything is similar. In our case though I think the need is bigger at WR. I have no problem with us taking Bowers at 15 if we have a stellar grade on him above our need positions.

 

The bolded is how I look at it. I think Bowers has the potential to be a top five TE, and I don't think I feel that way about anyone on our roster right now. I really like Woods, but he still has work to do to be a complete player, and his hamstrings have to cooperate. 

 

In general, I'm pretty resolutely against needs-based drafting. So if we're getting back a reserve TE who had nine catches in 12 games, it's not really changing the draft strategy, IMO.

[dw49]

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

No worries.   Funny, I never thought of you as old and cranky.   I’m 67.    You’re older?  Is the 49 in your name your birth year?  
 

 

 

Bingo . I can still do subtraction and that would make me 74.

[cdgacoltsfan]

5 hours ago, smittywerb said:

If ogletree stays, I hope we cut cox lol

Ouch! I like him. I hope he stays.

[ColtStrong2013]

2 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

I’m 67.

 

27 minutes ago, dw49 said:

that would make me 74

 

is this either of you getting on the forum in the evening? 
 

😂 

I kid. Much respect to you both. 

[cdgacoltsfan]

2 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

No worries.   Funny, I never thought of you as old and cranky.   I’m 67.    You’re older?  Is the 49 in your name your birth year?  
 

Grumpy old men...I'm only 66 . Yikes!

[hoosierhawk]

1 hour ago, dw49 said:

 

Bingo . I can still do subtraction and that would make me 74.

just a young man then!!

[MikeCurtis]

I’m hoping Ogletree is back

 

He is / was starting to get better and be a reliable target for AR

 

 

[Coltsfan1953]

I'm 70 myself, tough age.