Colts vs Eagles post game thread

[Indeee]

4 minutes ago, Indianapolis-Colts-Fan said:

 

I have concern as well. I think Downs has the best chance at being our best WR as he has amazing hands. the rest of our WR corps has way too many drops for my liking, and sure handed WRs left when TY wasnt resigned. look no further than week 1 of the preseason when peirce couldnt hold onto that sure TD pass. drops have been a regular thing every season with the guys we have on this roster and its showing no signs of slowing down. 

 

I wouldnt be worried but I am because Ballard doesnt think you need to draft WR high in the draft, so even if we are in play for the likes of Marvin Harrison Jr. I would woprry that the Colts dont take him

Don't worry about that one. If we happen to be in position to take Marv Jr, Irsay will make dang sure of it for namesake alone to go along with the talent. 

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

9 minutes ago, Indeee said:

Don't worry about that one. If we happen to be in position to take Marv Jr, Irsay will make dang sure of it for namesake alone to go along with the talent. 

 

I would hope it would be a no brainer. All I want from this season is to see growth from the Oline and QB. I like what I'm seeing early on in that sense, but it is preseason, so we will see. Richardson is showing brains and patience. Can't help but love the athleticism. That spin out of the blitz was a beauty. 

 

I am impressed with our TE group. Granson is turning into a very similar type of TE as Dallas Clark was. He seems to catch almost everything. Would love to see Woods back out there. 

 

But I am starting to lose faith in this WR group. Hopefully they put it all together. 

[RollerColt]

6 minutes ago, Indianapolis-Colts-Fan said:

 

I would hope it would be a no brainer. All I want from this season is to see growth from the Oline and QB. I like what I'm seeing early on in that sense, but it is preseason, so we will see. Richardson is showing brains and patience. Can't help but love the athleticism. That spin out of the blitz was a beauty.  

It was very "Luck-like" when he did that. Luck was the last truly athletic QB we've had when I think about it. 

[krunk]

19 minutes ago, Indeee said:

Come on Chloe. For being someone that prides themselves in knowing a good amount about this team and having a decent observance, for you to say the bolded is completely absurd. Stop settling for mediocre. It's been the Achillies heel for the past 6 years. 

I think you're worried about that too much though. This is going to be a run based/play action style deal somewhat similar to how the Ravens have operated. And we all know for a while good WR did not want to go to Baltimore bc they knew their numbers were going to suffer. So they mostly had okay type receivers. We probably won't need a bunch of electric ball demanding WR like you're advocating.

 

We got a bunch of guys who are going to be physical run blockers and who can catch the ball reliably coming off separation they gained from the playaction pass. I think that's why we have more possession style guys big body guys at WR. I would just like more speed at the 4th through 6th receivers to give us some variety. I think a lot of AR throws are going to go to the plethora of mismatch Tight Ends we have. I think what you want doesn't fit the type game we want to play.

[1959Colts]

I was pleasantly surprised with the oline minus Kelly.

Thought Pinter looked good at center until he got hurt, then French did a nice job as his replacement, which I believe solidified French making the 53. Carter O'Donnell, coming off a great game vs Chicago, backed it up again, with a fine performance last night. Looking more and more likely O'Donnell is the top choice as backup G heading into regular season

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

7 minutes ago, krunk said:

I think you're worried about that too much though. This is going to be a run based/play action style deal somewhat similar to how the Ravens have operated. And we all know for a while good WR did not want to go to Baltimore bc they knew their numbers were going to suffer. So they mostly had okay type receivers. We probably won't need a bunch of electric ball demanding WR like you're advocating.

 

We got a bunch of guys who are going to be physical run blockers and who can catch the ball reliably coming off separation they gained from the playaction pass. I think that's why we have more possession style guys big body guys at WR. I would just like more speed at the 4th through 6th receivers to give us some variety. I think a lot of AR throws are going to go to the plethora of mismatch Tight Ends we have. I think what you want doesn't fit the type game we want to play.

 

 

I think the team will be more similar to the Eagles than the Ravens. And the Eagles didn't go to the SB until trading for AJ Brown. The Ravens haven't done a damn thing with their style and I'd be worried if that's what the team is trying to be like, or similar to. Richardson has a higher ceiling than Jackson, and hopefully a better injury history. It would be a waste of what he's capable of if our goal is to be run centric. 

[BProland85]

19 minutes ago, Indianapolis-Colts-Fan said:

 

I would hope it would be a no brainer. All I want from this season is to see growth from the Oline and QB. I like what I'm seeing early on in that sense, but it is preseason, so we will see. Richardson is showing brains and patience. Can't help but love the athleticism. That spin out of the blitz was a beauty. 

 

I am impressed with our TE group. Granson is turning into a very similar type of TE as Dallas Clark was. He seems to catch almost everything. Would love to see Woods back out there. 

 

But I am starting to lose faith in this WR group. Hopefully they put it all together. 

I think MPJ almost has to be resigned at this point. He is the only dependable WR as Downs is a rookie and Pierce has had his drops. Jelani Woods has to get healthy and on the field as Granson is taking his job. 

[Hoose]

There will be movement by the Colts here. Either a pickup from cuts or a free agent still out there. Or both. If the Oline goes into this season as is, and Richardson is running for his life from Day one as he might well be, Chris Ballard’s head will be squarely placed upon the guillotine. Absolutely no excuse for not improving this line after last year’s terrible performance. I just can’t see Ballard not being aggressive here after being so passive up until now. 

[BProland85]

2 minutes ago, Hoose said:

There will be movement by the Colts here. Either a pickup from cuts or a free agent still out there. Or both. If the Oline goes into this season as is, and Richardson is running for his life from Day one as he might well be, Chris Ballard’s head will be squarely placed upon the guillotine. Absolutely no excuse for not improving this line after last year’s terrible performance. I just can’t see Ballard not being aggressive here after being so passive up until now. 

In these negotiations with Miami their starting RG Hunt needs to be involved with at least a 2nd and 4th. 

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

1 minute ago, BProland85 said:

In these negotiations with Miami their starting RG Hunt needs to be involved with at least a 2nd and 4th. 

 

Id take Hunt and a 3rd or 4th. more than likely would be a 5th. JT isn't worth that much contrary to the wishes of the forum members here. He wants a contract worth how much and no one wants to pay it? Why are we getting a player and a 2nd or 3rd? ludicrous. if he's worth that much you simply sign him to what he wants. He's not worth that much. 

[luv_pony_express]

8 minutes ago, BProland85 said:

In these negotiations with Miami their starting RG Hunt needs to be involved with at least a 2nd and 4th. 

I’d be all for getting Hunt and whatever else we could get in the way of draft picks.  I doubt we’ll get a starting IOL to go along with a 2 and a 4 tho.

[krunk]

37 minutes ago, Indianapolis-Colts-Fan said:

 

 

I think the team will be more similar to the Eagles than the Ravens. And the Eagles didn't go to the SB until trading for AJ Brown. The Ravens haven't done a damn thing with their style and I'd be worried if that's what the team is trying to be like, or similar to. Richardson has a higher ceiling than Jackson, and hopefully a better injury history. It would be a waste of what he's capable of if our goal is to be run centric. 

The Ravens usually make the playoffs so I'd say that's something. And we aren't getting any AJ Brown's this year so then what do you do? You have to play with what you have and play towards your strengths. The personnel we have today is more like the Ravens. And you can still run whatever you're calling the Eagles offense and still incorporate the Ravens approach with the emphasis on tight end usage. The Ravens System and The Philly system do a lot of running, using the QB in the run game and play action. They are not necessarily the same but you can have the same intent as far as what you want to emphasize. Steichen is more vertical when it comes to the passing game.

[csmopar]

59 minutes ago, Indeee said:

Don't worry about that one. If we happen to be in position to take Marv Jr, Irsay will make dang sure of it for namesake alone to go along with the talent. 

I do worry though, is Jr as good as dad or is it his namesake driving the hype 

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

8 minutes ago, krunk said:

The Ravens usually make the playoffs so I'd say that's something. And we aren't getting any AJ Brown's this year so then what do you do? You have to play with what you have and play towards your strengths. The personnel we have today is more like the Ravens. And you can still run whatever you're calling the Eagles offense and still incorporate the Ravens approach with the emphasis on tight end usage. The Ravens System and The Philly system do a lot of running and play action. They are not necessarily the same but you can have the same intent as far as what you want to emphasize. Steichen is more vertical when it comes to the passing game.

for this year you may be right, I just was talking long term vision shouldn’t be similar to the Ravens. While they compete, they haven’t done anything since Joe Flacco if my memory serves me correctly. 
 

but this year, yea, we will need to rely heavily on the TE group. 

[compuls1v3]

1 hour ago, Indianapolis-Colts-Fan said:

 

I have concern as well. I think Downs has the best chance at being our best WR as he has amazing hands. the rest of our WR corps has way too many drops for my liking, and sure handed WRs left when TY wasn't resigned. look no further than week 1 of the preseason when pierce couldn't hold onto that sure TD pass. drops have been a regular thing every season with the guys we have on this roster and its showing no signs of slowing down. 

 

I wouldn't be worried but I am because Ballard doesn't think you need to draft WR high in the draft (it isnt unheard of but where are those guys on our roster?), so even if we are in play for the likes of Marvin Harrison Jr. I would worry that the Colts don't take him.

Ballard also didnt want to draft a QB forever so maybe his tune will change this season proves we need a true number 1 WR.

[csmopar]

1 minute ago, compuls1v3 said:

Ballard also didnt want to draft a QB forever so maybe his tune will change this season proves we need a true number 1 WR.

Actually that’s been proven that it was infact Reich who “pounded the table” for veteran QBs 

[Colt.45]

20 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I do worry though, is Jr as good as dad or is it his namesake driving the hype 

 

Physically, he's obviously a bigger unit but in terms of college play, I find it's really hard to say Junior is better. Marv Snr. was a producer in 1993! A different era of football yet he produced.

 

If we were picking based on just college production, I'd lean Snr. 

 

With all that said, Junior is a HECKUVA player. He has every chance to vault to the top of the NFL when he comes in. Same talent level as the best i.e. Jefferson, Chase, those guys. Depends on where he lands and other factors but he's got a chance to be elite and that chance/potential is all you can ask for. His dad is a hall of famer....that's not easy to match.

[Moosejawcolt]

3 hours ago, Solid84 said:

Loved AR. He’s got “a little accuracy thing” but the WRs really need to step up and help him out. He’s DANGEROUS on the run - if he’s not out running you he’ll bulldoze you. 
 

Starting OL seemed to have a good game. Well, “starting” I thought we only played 2-3 starters right? Anyway, they held up. 
 

I’m feeling more and more confident about playing Hull, Jackson and Moss

 

Granson has had some good games I feel. Good camp too. Can’t really see us keeping Mo at this point. 
 

Paye is going to be an edge-setter not a sack specialist. I guess that’s fine for a strong-side DE. Dayo is going to be good this year! Happy to see Lewis out there. 

Do any of Ballard's picks at the most important position look like they are going to be stars? I am concerned about going into the season and wondering who I'd going to develop into something special. 

[Moosejawcolt]

1 hour ago, Hoose said:

There will be movement by the Colts here. Either a pickup from cuts or a free agent still out there. Or both. If the Oline goes into this season as is, and Richardson is running for his life from Day one as he might well be, Chris Ballard’s head will be squarely placed upon the guillotine. Absolutely no excuse for not improving this line after last year’s terrible performance. I just can’t see Ballard not being aggressive here after being so passive up until now. 

To me it's not about Ballard improving line. The supposed talent that  he has assembled should be able to play more than good enough to compensate for average to below average play at RG. I mean my God what does that say about the Oline if they can't? If they cannot  and no receiver, tight end and / or D line develop this year, then Ballard should be shown the door no matter how Richardson plays.

[King Colt]

So much for the preseason stats watching the Colts this season will be exiting and fun and it has been a long dry stretch since that was true.

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

45 minutes ago, compuls1v3 said:

Ballard also didnt want to draft a QB forever so maybe his tune will change this season proves we need a true number 1 WR.

I hope to god you’re right about that. 

[Mighty Blue]

Yeeessss!

I was able to see the game on Amazon Prime…Ooo!…am I not to mention Amazon Prime? Since Amazon Prime is a private app and if I mentioned Amazon Prime I give them free advertising?

 

Anyway, PEOPLE, NFL football is BACK!

 

I wanted a young, strong, fast QB.

I don’t need to remind you of the last three QBs that we had…one did not win a , won but from the bench, and the last one that had it, but his defense let it slip away (80 for Brady was okay to watch…1 time. Do you agree Matt?)

 

Okay, let’s say you and I are trying to tackle AR, or, catch one of his passes…or, just stand next to the guy…or, tell him to his face that he is wrong for the Colts…could you, would you? My answer-couldn’t and wouldn’t. 

 

Now, AR, one thing I saw was that you got “cocky” and I don’t like that. There are guys that are ready to welcome you to the NFL! Somebody please send my message to him…have him call me 
I like reading the posts but some of it sounds like yada yada, blah blah and mine probably sounds like that, too.

 

Thank you Amazon Prime…oops!

 

Go, Colts!

 

 

[DiogoSales]

12 hours ago, JediXMan said:

I want Evan Hull to make the roster.

 

 

Yes THAT play!

[DiogoSales]

12 hours ago, Indeee said:

ABSOLUTELY. Hated this pick when it was made, always knew he sucked and here we are. He is terrible.

 

Wasted pick when all we needed to do was trade up on that day just a little and grab Pickens. 

Hard to ignore the fact that Pickens is WAaaaaaaaay better right now.

[luv_pony_express]

1 hour ago, csmopar said:

I do worry though, is Jr as good as dad or is it his namesake driving the hype 

 

Personally, I think he'd be just as legit if his name was Marvin Jefferson, Jr.  At the college level, anyway, he is a phenomenal WR.

 

Does that mean he'll be able to meet or surpass his father's accomplishments in the NFL?  No.  There are no guarantees.  But it's within the realm of possibility.

 

I do think a lot of Colts fans have some built-in bias because of the family connection, though.

[RollerColt]

For those interested:

 

 

[csmopar]

1 hour ago, Colt.45 said:

 

Physically, he's obviously a bigger unit but in terms of college play, I find it's really hard to say Junior is better. Marv Snr. was a producer in 1993! A different era of football yet he produced.

 

If we were picking based on just college production, I'd lean Snr. 

 

With all that said, Junior is a HECKUVA player. He has every chance to vault to the top of the NFL when he comes in. Same talent level as the best i.e. Jefferson, Chase, those guys. Depends on where he lands and other factors but he's got a chance to be elite and that chance/potential is all you can ask for. His dad is a hall of famer....that's not easy to match.

Let me rephrase. 
 

is he good on his own merits or because of who his dad is/was

[Carlos Danger]

3 hours ago, BProland85 said:

Jelani Woods has to get healthy and on the field as Granson is taking his job

 

I tend to think that Woods is a bigger part of the offensive plan this season because of how they are treating this hamstring issue, but I could be wrong. Ogletree is intriguing and Granson seems to have great chemistry with Richardson, so it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. 

[krunk]

3 hours ago, Indianapolis-Colts-Fan said:

 

I have concern as well. I think Downs has the best chance at being our best WR as he has amazing hands. the rest of our WR corps has way too many drops for my liking, and sure handed WRs left when TY wasn't resigned. look no further than week 1 of the preseason when pierce couldn't hold onto that sure TD pass. drops have been a regular thing every season with the guys we have on this roster and its showing no signs of slowing down. 

 

I wouldn't be worried but I am because Ballard doesn't think you need to draft WR high in the draft (it isnt unheard of but where are those guys on our roster?), so even if we are in play for the likes of Marvin Harrison Jr. I would worry that the Colts don't take him.

Have u noticed that many people have problems catching ARs ball? He throws rockets.

[krunk]

7 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said:

 

I tend to think that Woods is a bigger part of the offensive plan this season because of how they are treating this hamstring issue, but I could be wrong. Ogletree is intriguing and Granson seems to have great chemistry with Richardson, so it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. 

And then there is the athletic and speedy Mallory. We got a bunch of them!

[Colt.45]

16 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Let me rephrase. 
 

is he good on his own merits or because of who his dad is/was

He's very good on his own merit. I thought it might be hype in '21 even though the flashes were there. In '22 he showed it was very real. The guy is going to come out to more hype than his dad. In 96, Keyshawn was that guy though we'd all pick Marv in hindsight. Next year, Marv jnr likely comes out with the same hype Keyshawn came out with in 96

[krunk]

23 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Let me rephrase. 
 

is he good on his own merits or because of who his dad is/was

all by himself. he's better than Marvin at that age

[sb41champs]

Like ALL preseason games - the theme was "The Good - The Bad - and - The Ugly".

 

I've seen progress each week - and - I am pleased with our preseason.

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

19 minutes ago, krunk said:

Have u noticed that many people have problems catching ARs ball? He throws rockets.

it isn’t just about AR. It’s been an ongoing issue for a while now. 

[Moosejawcolt]

3 hours ago, Indianapolis-Colts-Fan said:

 

Id take Hunt and a 3rd or 4th. more than likely would be a 5th. JT isn't worth that much contrary to the wishes of the forum members here. He wants a contract worth how much and no one wants to pay it? Why are we getting a player and a 2nd or 3rd? ludicrous. if he's worth that much you simply sign him to what he wants. He's not worth that much. 

Do u ser Miami giving up a starting RG when their qb is  one hit away from retirement? 

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

Just now, Moosejawcolt said:

Do u ser Miami giving up a starting RG when their qb is  one hit away from retirement? 

I don’t think Miami will trade any oline players to the Colts for a Rb. Especially one who has troubles blocking. But I’d take a trade RB for oline straight up. 

[Moosejawcolt]

8 minutes ago, Indianapolis-Colts-Fan said:

I don’t think Miami will trade any oline players to the Colts for a Rb. Especially one who has troubles blocking. But I’d take a trade RB for oline straight up. 

Agree. I don't know why people think Miami is giving up a lot. The rb market has been set.

[Dingus McGirt]

5 hours ago, Indeee said:

It's not just about adjusting to ball speed or even the placement, it's also that Pierce does not consistently gain any separation at all and when he does, which is rare, he doesn't capitalize on the opportunity. In truth, from what I have read, it seems Pierce and AR have had great chemistry during practice, so why isn't it translating to the games? Last night the eggles played their twos and threes. It's unfortunate as most fans will give benefit here and continue to hope but this guy, Pierce, is a bum. Not deserving of a WR2

 

It's really very simple, we have had zero wideouts who demand and command the ball. Zero wideouts who are over 65% open on all route trees. The first few weeks will be telling as some of the wideout problems might have been from scheme or play calling and that mainly has been vanilla in the preseason so even though I'm seriously pessimistic about our starting outside receivers, have been for years, I will also hope it turns out to be scheme and will gladly be wrong in my assessment of the players if they get it together but at this point I don't see it. 

A “bum?”  Good lord, hero.

[Indeee]

5 minutes ago, Dingus McGirt said:

A “bum?”  Good lord, hero.

Oh, wow. You are right. bum is not correct. He's not a bum, he's a BUM. That's better. Needed more emphasis, thanks for correcting me... 

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

17 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Agree. I don't know why people think Miami is giving up a lot. The rb market has been set.

I don’t know why JT thinks anyone is going to give up much for him at all. 
 

I think the reason he wants traded is because this team isn’t going to use him as a bell cow anymore and he knows that is going to hurt his stock.