Colts vs Eagles post game thread

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Nice! We started our teacher workdays back at the end of July. First day was August 3rd… oh the days of being a young Hoosier and school starting near Labor Day… those days are long gone lol.

This is how old I am, when I was in highschool = 1987-1989, Last day of school was before the Memorial Day weekend and we didn't go back until after Labor Day weekend - I could do that for 3 months straight.

[Indeee]

7 hours ago, krunk said:

I think we should give Pierce a little time to adjust to Richardsons ball. He throws some lazers.   I do think Pickens should have been our pick though. I don't hate Pierce though. Reggie liked him better for whatever reason.

It's not just about adjusting to ball speed or even the placement, it's also that Pierce does not consistently gain any separation at all and when he does, which is rare, he doesn't capitalize on the opportunity. In truth, from what I have read, it seems Pierce and AR have had great chemistry during practice, so why isn't it translating to the games? Last night the eggles played their twos and threes. It's unfortunate as most fans will give benefit here and continue to hope but this guy, Pierce, is a bum. Not deserving of a WR2

 

It's really very simple, we have had zero wideouts who demand and command the ball. Zero wideouts who are over 65% open on all route trees. The first few weeks will be telling as some of the wideout problems might have been from scheme or play calling and that mainly has been vanilla in the preseason so even though I'm seriously pessimistic about our starting outside receivers, have been for years, I will also hope it turns out to be scheme and will gladly be wrong in my assessment of the players if they get it together but at this point I don't see it. 

[Solid84]

Loved AR. He’s got “a little accuracy thing” but the WRs really need to step up and help him out. He’s DANGEROUS on the run - if he’s not out running you he’ll bulldoze you. 
 

Starting OL seemed to have a good game. Well, “starting” I thought we only played 2-3 starters right? Anyway, they held up. 
 

I’m feeling more and more confident about playing Hull, Jackson and Moss

 

Granson has had some good games I feel. Good camp too. Can’t really see us keeping Mo at this point. 
 

Paye is going to be an edge-setter not a sack specialist. I guess that’s fine for a strong-side DE. Dayo is going to be good this year! Happy to see Lewis out there. 

[John Hammonds]

My takeaways

• Although AR5's Wow Factor is huge, Minshew still plays the position more efficiently and, to be honest, more effectively.  At least at this time.  I understand why they want to start AR5.  But I would also totally understand if they wanted to start Minshew as well.
• Josh Downs was uncharacteristically silent last night.  Normally, he's open continually.  What's up?  I'm going to bet that Steichen designed last night's offense to intentionally get the ball to Pittman and Pierce.  Pittman did ok.  Pierce, not at all.  He was flat out bad.
• Starting defensive line completely stuffed the run last night.  Did we expect anything less?  Pass rush is still sub-optimal, but not terrible.
• The rookie DB's were pretty invisible.  I don't recall even hearing their names called.
• Terrible shame regarding Pinter.  You gotta feel for the guy.  From an objective view, however, he never truly justified Ballard's belief in him.  I didn't expect him to be on the team next year anyway.
• Can't wait for the final 53 roster.  Can't wait for when games count.

[RollerColt]

7 minutes ago, DEColtsLover36 said:

Please tell me your school year ends in May at least lol

Nope… the kids are done at the very end of May, but I keep working until two weeks into June.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, RollerColt said:

Nope… the kids are done at the very end of May, but I keep working until two weeks into June.

[w87r]

13 minutes ago, DEColtsLover36 said:

Oh wow! That should be against the law lol. Do you guys finish the school year in May? That’s the only way an Aug 1st start is somewhat acceptable  

Usually end of May, beginning of June.

 

Year round schooling.

 

2 weeks for fall break

2 week for spring break

[Mike06181]

Get those wrs on the juggs machine asap! Crank it on high and make them all catch 200 plus passes off that bad boy a day till the season starts or their fingers fall off.

[John Hammonds]

2 minutes ago, Indeee said:

It's not just about adjusting to ball speed or even the placement, it's also that Pierce does not consistently gain any separation at all and when he does, which is rare, he doesn't capitalize on the opportunity. In truth, from what I have read, it seems Pierce and AR have had great chemistry during practice, so why isn't it translating to the games? Last night the eggles played their twos and threes. It's unfortunate as most fans will give benefit here and continue to hope but this guy, Pierce, is a bum. Not deserving of a WR2

 

It's really very simple, we have had zero wideouts who demand and command the ball. Zero wideouts who are over 65% open on all route trees. The first few weeks will be telling as some of the wideout problems might have been from scheme or play calling and that mainly has been vanilla in the preseason so even though I'm seriously pessimistic about our starting outside receivers, have been for years, I will also hope it turns out to be scheme and will gladly be wrong in my assessment of the players if they get it together but at this point I don't see it. 

You're not wrong.  There's nobody in our WR room that anyone would be afraid of, or need to "account for" in their defensive game plan.  At least right now, Pierce is not justifying his 2nd round status.  He needs to step it up, or he's going to find himself replaced.  Either by moving Downs to the outside (a la, TY Hilton), or by a draft choice.  (Marvin Junior, anyone?)

[Virtuoso80]

2 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Nope… the kids are done at the very end of May, but I keep working until two weeks into June.

I work year round in IT for the schools.  School year started Aug 1st.

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

You're not wrong.  There's nobody in our WR room that anyone would be afraid of, or need to "account for" in their defensive game plan.  At least right now, Pierce is not justifying his 2nd round status.  He needs to step it up, or he's going to find himself replaced.  Either by moving Downs to the outside (a la, TY Hilton), or by a draft choice.  (Marvin Junior, anyone?)

I am hoping Downs steps up, last night I seen some drop balls that AR put right in there. His Completion % wasn't good but I seen at least 3 passes that were perfect and then dropped.

[DEColtsLover36]

6 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Nope… the kids are done at the very end of May, but I keep working until two weeks into June.

 

5 minutes ago, w87r said:

Usually end of May, beginning of June.

 

Year round schooling.

 

2 weeks for fall break

2 week for spring break

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, DEColtsLover36 said:

 

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

11 minutes ago, w87r said:

Usually end of May, beginning of June.

 

Year round schooling.

 

2 weeks for fall break

2 week for spring break

[Indeee]

13 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

You're not wrong.  There's nobody in our WR room that anyone would be afraid of, or need to "account for" in their defensive game plan.  At least right now, Pierce is not justifying his 2nd round status.  He needs to step it up, or he's going to find himself replaced.  Either by moving Downs to the outside (a la, TY Hilton), or by a draft choice.  (Marvin Junior, anyone?)

Yea, despite myself getting constant laughing and confused emojis on here based on my WR takes, there are a good amount, yourself included, who like me, are really concerned here. To me, if these wideouts don't get it together it just might hinder the early development of AR and that is what worries me the most. 

[John Hammonds]

6 minutes ago, Indeee said:

Yea, despite myself getting constant laughing and confused emojis on here based on my WR takes, there are a good amount, yourself included, who like me, are really concerned here. To me, if these wideouts don't get it together it just might hinder the early development of AR and that is what worries me the most. 

Pierce isn't the only one who has a lot to prove.  This is also a contract year for Pittman.  And if he wants to be paid the going rate for WR's these days, he needs to deserve it.  Otherwise, he may find himself getting the Jonathan Taylor treatment.

[NFLfan]

Many here have mentioned upgrading or improving the WR corp. Is there a player that you expect to become available that you hope the Colts will sign?

[Mike06181]

We might be looking at a ravens type offense where the te’s get the receiving looks more than the wrs. I do think downs will be a poor mans amon st brown by mid season. Look at when st brown “got it” and started exploding. It was mid to late in his rookie yr.

[Mitch Connors]

There was one play in the 2nd quarter, can't recall where exactly in the game, that AR got flushed from the pocket, ran around the right end, and had a 5-6 yard run in front of him. Instead of just taking off he ran just enough to make the linebacker take a step towards him and threw a 10-yard pass to the TE behind him. A lot of QB's will run and take that hit (Josh Allen is one that immediately came to mind) but AR used his legs to make the throw. Pretty exciting stuff imo.

[John Hammonds]

17 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

Many here have mentioned upgrading or improving the WR corp. Is there a player that you expect to become available that you hope the Colts will sign?

You mean, outside of Marvin Junior?

[csmopar]

17 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

Many here have mentioned upgrading or improving the WR corp. Is there a player that you expect to become available that you hope the Colts will sign?

Not for this year. I’m hoping for a high draft pick on a WR, doesn’t have to be Marvin Jr, just an obvious super stud at WR would be nice. 

[csmopar]

23 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

Pierce isn't the only one who has a lot to prove.  This is also a contract year for Pittman.  And if he wants to be paid the going rate for WR's these days, he needs to deserve it.  Otherwise, he may find himself getting the Jonathan Taylor treatment.

I must say, I’m not seeing Pittman earning a new contract. He’s just barely serviceable. He’s been my biggest disappointment cause I really like the kid. Hopefully he turns it around

[Moe]

AR is the biggest playmaker on this offense and Colts football is going to be fun to watch this year!

[NFLfan]

6 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

You mean, outside of Marvin Junior?

 

Of course. (He is not available this season.)

 

Who may be available this season? The Vikings just cut N'Keal Harry. He did well in camp but there were other WRs ahead of him.

[John Hammonds]

3 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Of course. (He is not available this season.)

 

Who may be available this season? The Vikings just cut N'Keal Harry. He did well in camp but there were other WRs ahead of him.

Naaa, I don't see the Colts picking up another free agent WR this year.  They drafted Downs and picked up Perriman, added to the Prove It year for Pittman and Pierce, along with the depth/special teams guys like Dulin.

This isn't a playoff run type of year, so we don't need to shore up any positions for the run.

[NFLfan]

3 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

Naaa, I don't see the Colts picking up another free agent WR this year.  They drafted Downs and picked up Perriman, added to the Prove It year for Pittman and Pierce, along with the depth/special teams guys like Dulin.

This isn't a playoff run type of year, so we don't need to shore up any positions for the run.

 

Isn't Dulin out for the year? I have not seen Perriman (not that I have been looking, ). Has he played?

[Indeee]

42 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

Many here have mentioned upgrading or improving the WR corp. Is there a player that you expect to become available that you hope the Colts will sign?

Based on last night the Colts should go try to go get Deon Cain and bring him back... 

[NFLfan]

@Mike06181  Hi there. I see the Lions cut Denzel Mims. Was he that bad? I thought he was going to be a good player after college. I was surprised to see that both the Jets and Lions cut him.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

I like our WR group.  We should actually have experience at those depth positions. I don’t see any additions there unless a big name became available.

[John Hammonds]

1 minute ago, Indeee said:

Based on last night the Colts should go try to go get Deon Cain and bring him back... 

Speaking of Deon Cain, the top opposing receiver of the past two games are ex-Colts

Bears - Daurice Fountain 5 catches for 86 yards and a TD

Eagles - Deon Cain 9 catches for 62 yards

[T-Cubed]

Cain, Fountain, and Pattmon. All 3 preseason games had ex Colts projects make catches

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

29 minutes ago, Mitch Connors said:

There was one play in the 2nd quarter, can't recall where exactly in the game, that AR got flushed from the pocket, ran around the right end, and had a 5-6 yard run in front of him. Instead of just taking off he ran just enough to make the linebacker take a step towards him and threw a 10-yard pass to the TE behind him. A lot of QB's will run and take that hit (Josh Allen is one that immediately came to mind) but AR used his legs to make the throw. Pretty exciting stuff imo.

It’s all over his college tape where he does the just take off and run. He is still looking to always pass. This is a good thing.

[chad72]

8 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I like our WR group.  We should actually have experience at those depth positions.

To be honest I like our TE group better than the WR group.

 

Granson, Ogletree and Woods are going to ball this year, IMO. TEs and RBs are a rookie QB’s best friend and I will throw in the rookie WR Josh Downs in the slot too. 
 

If AR breaks the pocket, I anticipate James Washington to give us more chunk plays than Pierce. Pierce will be good only as an element of surprise, unfortunately.

[RollerColt]

1 minute ago, chad72 said:

To be honest I like our TE group better than the WR group.

 

Granson, Ogletree and Woods are going to ball this year, IMO. TEs and RBs are a rookie QB’s best friend and I will throw in the rookie WR Josh Downs in the slot too. 
 

If AR breaks the pocket, I anticipate James Washington to give us more chunk plays than Pierce. Pierce will be good only as an element of surprise, unfortunately.

Ogletree was impressive last night. He could be a monster for the team. 

 

Hmm... Maybe I should pick him up in fantasy to stash for later...

[TrueBlue4ever]

Based on last night, AR is going to be Electric. 
 

I looked back at Lamar Jackson’s first season stats. 16 game schedule 

 

Passing

58.2% completion rate, 1207 passing yards, 6 TD’s to 3 Interceptions. 

 

Rushing 

147 attempts 657 yards, 4.7 yds. Per carry, 5 TD’s, 10 fumbles 

 

I think AR will be extremely competitive vs. those numbers. 
 

Possibly more Int’s is the only negative. Thoughts!

[Indeee]

7 minutes ago, chad72 said:

To be honest I like our TE group better than the WR group.

 

Granson, Ogletree and Woods are going to ball this year, IMO. TEs and RBs are a rookie QB’s best friend and I will throw in the rookie WR Josh Downs in the slot too. 
 

If AR breaks the pocket, I anticipate James Washington to give us more chunk plays than Pierce. Pierce will be good only as an element of surprise, unfortunately.

I agree, will be totally surprising if Pierce ever catches an uncontested pass or otherwise at this point 

[RollerColt]

1 minute ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

Based on last night, AR is going to be Electric. 
 

I looked back at Lamar Jackson’s first season stats. 16 game schedule 

 

Passing

58.2% completion rate, 1207 passing yards, 6 TD’s to 3 Interceptions. 

 

Rushing 

147 attempts 657 yards, 4.7 yds. Per carry, 5 TD’s, 10 fumbles 

 

I think AR will be extremely competitive vs. those numbers. 
 

Possibly more Int’s is the only negative. Thoughts!

Anthony's throws are so fast, it might actually help him avoid interceptions. 

[TrueBlue4ever]

3 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

Based on last night, AR is going to be Electric. 
 

I looked back at Lamar Jackson’s first season stats. 16 game schedule 

 

Passing

58.2% completion rate, 1207 passing yards, 6 TD’s to 3 Interceptions. 

 

Rushing 

147 attempts 657 yards, 4.7 yds. Per carry, 5 TD’s, 10 fumbles 

 

I think AR will be extremely competitive vs. those numbers. 
 

Possibly more Int’s is the only negative. Thoughts!

The Raven’s started 4-5 that year and then went 6-1 to close the season and won the division at 10-6. 

 

 

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

1 hour ago, Indeee said:

Yea, despite myself getting constant laughing and confused emojis on here based on my WR takes, there are a good amount, yourself included, who like me, are really concerned here. To me, if these wideouts don't get it together it just might hinder the early development of AR and that is what worries me the most. 

 

I have concern as well. I think Downs has the best chance at being our best WR as he has amazing hands. the rest of our WR corps has way too many drops for my liking, and sure handed WRs left when TY wasn't resigned. look no further than week 1 of the preseason when pierce couldn't hold onto that sure TD pass. drops have been a regular thing every season with the guys we have on this roster and its showing no signs of slowing down. 

 

I wouldn't be worried but I am because Ballard doesn't think you need to draft WR high in the draft (it isnt unheard of but where are those guys on our roster?), so even if we are in play for the likes of Marvin Harrison Jr. I would worry that the Colts don't take him.

[Indeee]

17 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I like our WR group.  We should actually have experience at those depth positions. I don’t see any additions there unless a big name became available.

Come on Chloe. For being someone that prides themselves in knowing a good amount about this team and having a decent observance, for you to say the bolded is completely absurd. Stop settling for mediocre. It's been the Achillies heel for the past 6 years.