w87r Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/27/colts-nfl-draft-grades-consensus-third-best-2023/ Interesting little breakdown. I found it interesting going through and seeing the differences on the individual evaluators. For instance, Pete Prisco giving Cowboys an A, when the consensus had them at #30. You can really see some biased here by some outlets. So all in all, I think this could give a decent outlook on what sites do show some biased to teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 I also like that the chart has the evaluators ranked on grading practice. Soft to Hard grades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb41champs Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 This doesn't surprise me. Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen "ROCKED THIS DRAFT"!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IinD Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 So we don't suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikingsFanInChennai Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 It would be even better to take a look at this chart one or two years later and see how it all worked out for each team and their initial grades, but I guess we lose track of these material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, VikingsFanInChennai said: It would be even better to take a look at this chart one or two years later and see how it all worked out for each team and their initial grades, but I guess we lose track of these material. Bookmark it. The chart is whatever, like I said the biggest thing I take away from this is being able to tell which outlets show biases and to who I do agree with the chart in reference to the Colts though. What's your thoughts on Vikings spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid84 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 I loved our draft this year. Liked every single pick. Not surprised we’re top 3 - would be fun to revisit this after a couple of seasons. On a side note. The Lions had 2 1st round picks… that’s gotta suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikingsFanInChennai Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 38 minutes ago, w87r said: Bookmark it. The chart is whatever, like I said the biggest thing I take away from this is being able to tell which outlets show biases and to who I do agree with the chart in reference to the Colts though. What's your thoughts on Vikings spot? Normally, we do mock draft a lot, and we get to know lot of players, especially at least until round 4. And, the actual draft happens, only rarely the team selects lots of those names and players we've heard often. This time, Colts drafted many of the known names, and players who fans here have been high on. Then.. there's Vikings, who draft a lot of players whom we've not heard at all even after we've accomplished hundreds of mock drafts. The new GM has done it twice in a row. But overall.. I'm happy with the direction they're going. As long as they don't extend Cousins anymore, and start looking for drafting the franchise QB sooner than later, I don't get upset with players they draft as coaches are the ones who are going to work with these players. Understandably, Vikings draft grades have been in the bottom ten, which is generously higher than what I thought these outlets would give. Looks like these analysts and experts have known some of the players well, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKB Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 hours ago, w87r said: I also like that the chart has the evaluators ranked on grading practice. Soft to Hard grades. thanks for sharing this , well done 13 minutes ago, VikingsFanInChennai said: Normally, we do mock draft a lot, and we get to know lot of players, especially at least until round 4. And, the actual draft happens, only rarely the team selects lots of those names and players we've heard often. This time, Colts drafted many of the known names, and players who fans here have been high on. Then.. there's Vikings, who draft a lot of players whom we've not heard at all even after we've accomplished hundreds of mock drafts. The new GM has done it twice in a row. But overall.. I'm happy with the direction they're going. As long as they don't extend Cousins anymore, and start looking for drafting the franchise QB sooner than later, I don't get upset with players they draft as coaches are the ones who are going to work with these players. Understandably, Vikings draft grades have been in the bottom ten, which is generously higher than what I thought these outlets would give. Looks like these analysts and experts have known some of the players well, after all. i like having fans of other teams on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, VikingsFanInChennai said: This time, Colts drafted many of the known names, and players who fans here have been high on. Can definitely say this was me this year. Was pleasantly surprised how much they took who I wanted and when. I will post some text I sent to buddies before day 2 and 3. Via my text April 28th 11:03am Quote Richardson is a beast. Going into round 2. I'm looking at CB - Porter Jr G - Torrence G - Avila One should be there with the 4th pick of round. Also wouldn't mind trading down though either. I like multiple guys in the 50-60 range DL - Adebawore - he ran like a 4.48 at 280lbsCB - Brents - he's from Indy and is a big corner WR - Mingo Wouldn't mind trying to trade back with a team that has a couple picks in that range. If we could get 2 of those 3. We know how this played out, so to my surprise Adebawore was still there to start Day 3. Via my text April 29th 10:00am Quote Wish list Round 4:DT Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern CB Kelee, Ringo, Georgia OT Dawand Jones, Ohio StateCB Darius Rush, South Carolina OG Chandler Zavala, NC State Any (2) would be nice, especially first 2. We have (2) of first 8 picks in 4th (2) of first 6 picks in 5th + (2) more 5ths. 5th round wish list:iOL Emil Ekiyor, Alabama OT Jaelyn Duncan, Maryland C Luke Wypler, Ohio State iOL Jon Gaines II, UCLA OT Braeden Daniels, Utah OT Carter Warren, Pittsburgh DT Jaquelin Roy, LSU CB Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson TCU Nice that Rush slid to the 5th also Still can't believe we got Ekiyor as UDFA. Very happy with Freeland in that round 4 also, even though he didn't make the list. Like I said I was very happy with the draft, they never take who I want. Lol Think this is more of having a good pulse on how Ballard operates and what he is looking for, not just me but a good chunk of knowledgeable fan base as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKB Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, w87r said: Can definitely say this was me this year. Was pleasantly surprised how much they took who I wanted and when. I will post some text I sent to buddies before day 2 and 3. Via my text April 28th 11:03am We know how this played out, so to my surprise Adebawore was still there to start Day 3. Via my text April 29th 10:00am Nice that Rush slid to the 5th also Still can't believe we got Ekiyor as UDFA. Very happy with Freeland in that round 4 also, even though he didn't make the list. Like I said I was very happy with the draft, they never take who I want. Lol Think this is more of having a good pulse on how Ballard operates and what he is looking for, not just me but a good chunk of knowledgeable fan base as well. well done 87r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, AKB said: i like having fans of other teams on the board. It is nice to have an outside perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 I knew we would get brents in the 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKB Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 i too am very happy with how this draft went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, AKB said: well done 87r Right on, not looking for an attaboy or anything, was just pleasantly surprised with it Especially talking of wanting to trade down to get 2 of the 3. Great weekend for Colts fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKB Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, w87r said: Right on, not looking for an attaboy or anything, was just pleasantly surprised with it Especially talking of wanting to trade down to get 2 of the 3. Great weekend for Colts fans don't think you're the type to look for cookies, im just saying that's a cool * chart, thanks for sharing! and some good predictions too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 21 minutes ago, AKB said: don't think you're the type to look for cookies, im just saying that's a cool * chart, thanks for sharing! I know, I just hate when people brag about being right. That is more about arguments over this and that though. Not really predictions/ or wishes, which I think this falls into that category, just want to make it clear that, that isn't what I'm doing, just thought it was cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stitches Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Anything but no. 1 is not good enough! AR gonna punish those pundits for their temerity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKB Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, w87r said: I know, I just hate when people brag about being right. That is more about arguments over this and that though. Not really predictions/ or wishes, which I think this falls into that category, just want to make it clear that, that isn't what I'm doing, just thought it was cool. well I wanted a mobile QB, a good CB, depth on OL, and a slot WR we got all of those things. Plus a freak athlete DT, and a promising young TE in Mallory. The only obvious hole I see today is Oline depth (mainly interior, but we have to see what happens with Freeland and Witt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshinator Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Definitely loved this draft. Super athletic with potential, and Ballard is truly ahead of the curve in this regard. Should be rated top 5 by most draft experts. I think this draft class will be very beneficial in the upcoming years towards building this team. Was so nice to have 12 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Colt Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 After the past few years, I don't care about anyone's opinion of anything related to the Colts. I just want wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshinator Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, King Colt said: After the past few years, I don't care about anyone's opinion of anything related to the Colts. I just want wins. Yeah I want wins too. The last few years felt like short term fixes, and a waste of draft capital for QBs that were over the hill, or had connections to the coach. I'm so happy we finally drafted someone that while a risk, can at least give us that high ceiling to potentially compete with the giants in the AFC (no pun intended). We'll either be a contender in a couple years, or have a top 5 draft pick IMO. It's an all or nothing strategy with Richardson, but the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesjan3 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Two things for me. 1- Ballard has widely been considered great at drafting however the results are not there, so as someone above posted, I dont care about draft grades anymore I want wins. 2- Also its impossible to grade this draft right now. If AR is good it will be a success and overshadow everyone else. If AR bombs out it will be a failure and overshadow everyone else lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matabix Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Loved or liked most Ballard drafts, I think this one may be one of his bests. Couple of posters suggested enough of the nonsense I want wins. Which brings me to my point. What if Ballard has been drafting good, what if it has been coaching? This year we find out. Most of Reich's coaching years we have beaten good teams and lost to bad teams except, Pat's, Steelers and at Jacksonville, we lose here all the time. All in all, I wouldn't be surprised if we go 6-12 or 12-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgt_rob Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Awesome. I feel like nobody knows until a few seasons in how the draft goes. It’s always a crap shoot but I’ll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwing BBZ Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 22 hours ago, Nesjan3 said: Two things for me. 1- Ballard has widely been considered great at drafting however the results are not there, so as someone above posted, I dont care about draft grades anymore I want wins. 2- Also its impossible to grade this draft right now. If AR is good it will be a success and overshadow everyone else. If AR bombs out it will be a failure and overshadow everyone else lol Does anyone think Ballard has been "great" at drafting? Over his tenure, some years his roster has been considered by optimists, many talking heads, and blue Colts fans to be top ten ish. That didn't happen because of the draft only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJpalmbeacher2 Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 On 5/27/2023 at 1:09 PM, IinD said: So we don't suck? Only if you pay attention to records, playoff appearances and wins, and division titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4daUColts Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 nice original post. we did get the best qb in the draft. richardsons got some seriously high potential and ceiling. as long as he can throw the ball he's going to be a really dangerous qb. I'd love to draw up plays for him, givin how dangerous he is on the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougDew Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 The media outlets could rank the Colts high because of their opinion of AR. They may want QBs like AR to succeed in the NFL, so any team that supports QBs like that could start off being rated highly. Overall, I think the Colts had a pretty good draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 On 5/27/2023 at 1:35 PM, VikingsFanInChennai said: It would be even better to take a look at this chart one or two years later and see how it all worked out for each team and their initial grades, but I guess we lose track of these material. Yep. All it would take would be if Richardson is a bust, the Colts would rank in the upper 20's or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 We’ve seen rave reviews on Ballard’s classes in the past… it’s actually part of the problem. Rave reviews, mixed results. But only mixed results in some cases. There’s cases out there with no results to speak of whatsoever. Looking at you, Banogu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 On 5/27/2023 at 5:56 AM, w87r said: https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/27/colts-nfl-draft-grades-consensus-third-best-2023/ Interesting little breakdown. I found it interesting going through and seeing the differences on the individual evaluators. For instance, Pete Prisco giving Cowboys an A, when the consensus had them at #30. You can really see some biased here by some outlets. So all in all, I think this could give a decent outlook on what sites do show some biased to teams. I’ve been meaning to comment on this for a few days…. I really like the work that was done here. It’s not perfect, but it’s still really really good. And it’s fascinating to see the broad difference of opinions. It all goes to my view that we all see the same thing differently. That includes all of these evaluators, and all of us who are evaluating the evaluators. Here’s the flaw for me…. And it may bother only me. It’s one evaluator for each website. So ESPN has four to evaluators, but they only count Kiper. No McShay, no Miller, no Reid. NFL.com has countless evaluators, but only Chad Reuter counts. No Jeremiah, no Brooks. PFF has numerous evaluators, but only one is used. But in the grand scheme of things, it’s not enough to bother me too much. This was a LOT of work. This wasn’t knocked out in a few minutes, more like a few hours. So mad props to Rene Bugner. A tip of my cap to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted May 31, 2023 Author Share Posted May 31, 2023 2 hours ago, NewColtsFan said: Here’s the flaw for me…. And it may bother only me. It’s one evaluator for each website. So ESPN has four to evaluators, but they only count Kiper. No McShay, no Miller, no Reid. NFL.com has countless evaluators, but only Chad Reuter counts. No Jeremiah, no Brooks. PFF has numerous evaluators, but only one is used. Fair point. Not sure of reasoning, couple things come to mind. 1. I just tried to do a quick Google search (not to intensely), and couldn't find Jeremiah, Brooks, McShay or Reid full team breakdown articles. PFF did grades as a staff it seems (combined effort) Found a video of Bucky Brooks and Matt Miller draft grades. Maybe only graded evaluators if they posted a full team draft grades article? I do see an additional article from NFL.com, but by Eric Edholm. 2. I only see (1) outlet that has multiple entries (CBS), so that blows my #2 theory out of water, that they only used 1 per outlet(was my thought before rechecking). Disregard #2 3. You would need to cap it at some point(29 is a lot), but those are definitely some heavy hitters there you mentioned. If you find some of those draft grades articles post them. Like I said I just did a quick search this morning. But yeah overall a good breakdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted May 31, 2023 Author Share Posted May 31, 2023 Something else I would like to bring to light. I know a lot of posters don't trust the draft pick value chart, but as trades were announced I was checking the chart to see how close they were. They were really close on the chart, outside trade up to #3 and the Patriots taking a hit to trade down and hurt the Jets by letting Steelers take their(Jets) guy. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted May 31, 2023 Author Share Posted May 31, 2023 11 hours ago, w87r said: Something else I would like to bring to light. I know a lot of posters don't trust the draft pick value chart, but as traded were announced I was checking the chart to see how close they were. They were really close on the chart, outside trade up to #3 and the Patriots taking a hit to trade down and hurt the Jets by letting Steelers take their(Jets) guy. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Colts trades breakdown: #35 - 550 #38 - 520 #141 - 35.5 + 5.5pts (late 6th difference) #38 - 520 #44 - 460 #110 - 74 + 14pts (high 6th difference) #141 - 35.5 #158 - 27 #211 - 5.4 - 3.1pts (late 6th difference) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defjamz26 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 This isn’t surprising when you consider how many of our prospects were In most analysts top 100 players. Richardson, Brents, Downs, Freeland, and the DT were all players that had high grades. To be able to draft all of them in the first 5 rounds is incredible. For example, PFF had Anthony Richardson, #11 Josh Downs, #38 Adetomiya Adebawore, #56 Julius Brents, #68 Darius Rush, #70 Jaylon Jones, #105 Blake Freeland, #108 https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-nfl-draft-board-big-board So by just their board (and their grading is usually tougher) we got 5 of their top 100 players, and two guys just outside it. So 7 out of their 110 highest graded players went to the Colts. When you factor in the draft value we got versus rankings, the Colts came out like Bandits. Richardson is the only person who was overdrafted by their rankings, although Freeland went just two picks earlier than he was ranked. Obviously we need to see how they all perform, but just in terms of value, this was the Colts best draft since 2018 and one of the best in the league this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougDew Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 9 hours ago, w87r said: Something else I would like to bring to light. I know a lot of posters don't trust the draft pick value chart, but as traded were announced I was checking the chart to see how close they were. They were really close on the chart, outside trade up to #3 and the Patriots taking a hit to trade down and hurt the Jets by letting Steelers take their(Jets) guy. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Yes. The chart is valid and always has been. There are always some quirks. Supposedly PIT turned down some capital to be able to stay in the area to draft Joey Porter Jr....so there are sometimes reasons for the chart to look wonky on any given trade (or nontrade). but its valid for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosejawcolt Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 If you are building a team based on upside, the Colts crushed the draft. However, the building of a team is based on acquiring football players not great athletes. Talk to me in 2 years. I have listened to GM's who are out of the league and they bring up old drafts and how Kiper and all these draft guys grade a draft A+ right after a draft. The GM then talks about that same draft 2 years later and how literally none of those players are with that same team. To me, you grade a draft only on if a team filled their needs and nothing more. The Colts did fine in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirobi48 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 At some point/ over the years you have to have a good draft draft. if they did it every year we would be in the playoffs often. Look at the Chiefs oh by the way Ballard from there, Cinn, Buffalo etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazycolt1 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 5 hours ago, mirobi48 said: At some point/ over the years you have to have a good draft draft. if they did it every year we would be in the playoffs often. Look at the Chiefs oh by the way Ballard from there, Cinn, Buffalo etc It makes a huge difference in how the Chiefs draft because they have had a MVP franchise QB on their roster for a while. Same for a lot of AFC teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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