Hines traded to the Bills

[GRUMPY OLD MAN]

1 minute ago, chad72 said:

what was ballard thinking? he wont even be here for that pick

[DougDew]

33 minutes ago, Shive said:

I posted it in the other thread, but:

 

Moss is the opposite of Hines as a RB. Here's a snippet from his NFL.com Draft Profile:

His player comp was Marion Barber, which I absolutely agree with.

 

Health has been his issue so far in the pros, plus he's more of a thunder vs Hines' lightning.

 

Highlight reel from last season for those interested:

 

Exactly.  He is the backup to JT that people complained we were using Hines for.  Complaining because he could not "run up the gut".  Well. we need a backup RB who actually can.

 

Now they complain that we didn't get enough for Hines, who is one dimensional...but still isn't as good as an average WR.

 

This forum just complains for no reason...

[GRUMPY OLD MAN]

Just now, DougDew said:

Exactly.  He is the backup to JT that people complained we were using Hines for.  Complaining because he could not "run up the gut".  Well. we need a backup RB who actually can.

 

Now they complain that we didn't get enough for a Hines, who is one dimensional...but still isn't as good as an average WR.

 

This forum just complains for no reason...

yes we do!!!!! lol

[chad72]

We got lots of thunder and NO lightning but hey JT can be a little pocket of lightning when he is healthy.

[dw49]

2 minutes ago, w87r said:

Just saw it was 2024 6th rounder (conditional)

 

For those that wasn't mad enough.

 

Hopefully , the "condition" turns the 6th into a 5th rather than a 7th. I thought I read that it was the former and not the later.

[w87r]

Just now, dw49 said:

 

Hopefully , the "condition" turns the 6th into a 5th rather than a 7th. I thought I read that it was the former and not the later.

Yeah 7th isn't is equation.

[GRUMPY OLD MAN]

this tells me the colts are all in !!!! the trading block!!

[AustexColt]

Zach Moss is a better lead blocker and pass blocker than Hines. The Bills will learn that when Josh Allen is being sacked. 

[dw49]

Just now, w87r said:

Yeah 7th isn't is equation.

 

Thanks.

[w87r]

6 minutes ago, dw49 said:

It's not as bad a picture as you paint. The estimated cap for next year is 226m. This I believe includes around 8 m in roll over.The colts top 51 for 2023 is 197 m. Dead money is around 3m. 

 

The 2023 top 51 contracts come to just under 200m.This gives the Colts 26 m in cap space. Add to that the 23 m they save on releasing Ryan. Gives you 49 mill in cap space.

You're right, I posted similar breakdown prior to this one.

 

Only thing you're wrong on is Matt Ryan, he has $18m dead cap, $12m new money.

 

[runthepost]

1 hour ago, coming on strong said:

whats annoying is if hines is  used right could of been elite .   use him like the saints use kamara  put him in motion run more outside runs and make him get 10 plus passes out of the back field a game .  when rivers was here he looked great .  this teams ruins good players its getting annoying .  

Kamara is better than Hines at everything . He can run outside or through the tackles, Hines can only run outside

[dw49]

1 minute ago, w87r said:

You're right, I posted similar breakdown prior to this one.

 

Only thing you're wrong on is Matt Ryan, he has $18m dead cap, $12m new money.

 

 

 

I think the 6m roster bonus is only guaranteed for injury.

[#12.]

Ballard:  6th rounder?  That's another franchise QB.

[w87r]

Just now, dw49 said:

 

 

I think the 6m roster bonus is only guaranteed for injury.

It's a $6m restructure bonus.

 

Already been paid out, when we restructured his deal last year. Counts against this year's cap.

 

 

[dw49]

1 minute ago, w87r said:

It's a $6m restructure bonus.

 

Already been paid out, when we restructured his deal last year. Counts against this year's cap.

 

 

 

I just finished taking another look at his contract and you are correct. 

[stitches]

28 minutes ago, ShuteAt168 said:

Good time to revisit Ballard’s decision to pay Hines top-10 RB money. 

I mean... he got positive value for that contract so... hard to fault him.

[w87r]

Just now, stitches said:

I mean... he got positive value for that contract so... hard to fault him.

And got out of most of the contract.

 

His contract structures are very under rated around here.

 

Just want to look at it as a whole and not see how he sets them up to get out of cheaply if need be.

[#12.]

In the last two meetings, Hines ran for 106 vs. the Bills at a 10.6 avg.  That's often the story behind some of these moves, similar to why Coutee is currently a Colt.

[GRUMPY OLD MAN]

ballard just saved our season with this blockbuster deal!!! no more 16 point games or losses!!

[Myles]

I think this was a bad trade for the Colts.

[GRUMPY OLD MAN]

Just now, Myles said:

I think this was a bad trade for the Colts.

ballard is good at making bad trades, teams love to trade with him

[w87r]

4 minutes ago, DEFENSE said:

ballard just saved our season with this blockbuster deal!!! no more 16 point games or losses!!

I know this is said in jest, but don't be surprised how much addition by subtraction there is right here.

 

3 of last 4 turnovers happened when Taylor wasn't on the field (he had other).

 

Don't have to worry about Taylor being off the field during 2 minute drill.

 

Offense should be easier to call without having to try and get Hines touches because he was 14th highest paid RB.

 

Then of course that near $14m over next 3 years in savings.

[GRUMPY OLD MAN]

1 minute ago, w87r said:

I know this is said in jest, but don't be surprised how much addition by subtraction there is right here.

 

3 of last 4 turnovers happened when Taylor wasn't on the field (he had other).

 

Don't have to worry about Taylor being off the field during 2 minute drill.

 

Offense should be easier to call without having to try and get Hines touches because he was 14th highest paid RB.

 

Then of course that near $14m over next 3 years in savings.

you nailed it, and moss is a good blocker

[chickenMan]

This is an absolutely atrocious trade

[ruf]

45 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

Yeah you got a point there lol. I suppose when the line is actually fixed, Miss can run between the tackles.

we don't have any tackles lol

[chickenMan]

34 minutes ago, chad72 said:

We got lots of thunder and NO lightning but hey JT can be a little pocket of lightning when he is healthy.

Not with this OL. At this point it’s a miracle when JT can make it past the LOS. 

[boogmanningluck]

1 hour ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Interesting it was Campbell running the jet sweeps too and not Hines . Campbell used to be a RB do I imagine less plays for Hines. I think we can get the same out of Parris. With him being healthy Hines is expendable.

Man that is totally possible that Campbell takes over most of Hines duties. Never looked at Hines as a RB anyways 

[Dobbinblitz]

Dallas Flowers might get a shot at returning punts also. He was good in the preseason. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

4 minutes ago, boogmanningluck said:

Man that is totally possible that Campbell takes over most of Hines duties. Never looked at Hines as a RB anyways 

Reich was finding it difficult to get Hines touches. Then you have pierce playing well too.  It is what it is. It’s actually a good thing. As much as we love Hines that means we actually have a good WR good now.  Now Reich doesn’t have go worry about finding him touches.

[cdgacoltsfan]

So...they finally use him in a wheel route for a nice 30 yard gain and then run him on a sweep for a TD. ( Only took them 2 years) I'm thinking they were just showcasing his abilities if used properly so we could  dump him.

[Indeee]

1 hour ago, IinD said:

Using those 6th Rd picks to get into the top 5... Lol

I think you mean top 5th, as in 5th round... 

[Indeee]

Campbell gets hurt in 3, 2, ...

 

[cdgacoltsfan]

15 minutes ago, DEFENSE said:

you nailed it, and moss is a good blocker

He was RB 3 for the Bills ....hardly used. I doubt he sees much action if any for the Colts.

[cptcomeback]

But.... who is gonna run it up the gut ten times a game now??  lol

[a06cc]

48 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Exactly.  He is the backup to JT that people complained we were using Hines for.  Complaining because he could not "run up the gut".  Well. we need a backup RB who actually can.

 

Now they complain that we didn't get enough for Hines, who is one dimensional...but still isn't as good as an average WR.

 

This forum just complains for no reason...

Can’t agree more. Hines was given opportunities in this offense. He couldn’t make guys miss in open space. He’s track fast and not elusive. He was taken off punt return duties because he would muff the kicks. People keep forgetting these things. 

[RollerColt]

Good luck, Hines. Singletary hasn’t really been much with the offense and Allen, so maybe you’ll find your niche with the Bills. 

[ADnum1]

2 hours ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:

And so it begins, clearing cap…

 

Lets tank! 

[GoColts8818]

38 minutes ago, Myles said:

I think this was a bad trade for the Colts.

 

26 minutes ago, chickenMan said:

This is an absolutely atrocious trade

I join you two in not being a fan of this trade.

[GRUMPY OLD MAN]

26 minutes ago, boogmanningluck said:

Man that is totally possible that Campbell takes over most of Hines duties. Never looked at Hines as a RB anyways 

campbell can be a wes welker type player

[Dobbinblitz]

What a difference 2 months make,

 

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