Irsay tweet about QB (MERGE)

[Captain_Colts1317]

16 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

I know I was just adding that at the end of my comment because o am listening to the radio. Sorry I wasn’t saying you did.

John Clayton just said he thinks Rodgers will end up in Denver.

It’s all speculation at this point and will be for the next 2 months. You will be able to find analyst that think everyone will be traded and some that think everyone wont. Hopefully over the next 2 months you don’t over react to everyone doing what you’re doing right now. Which is trying to prove your point with opinion and supporting evidence. 

[Captain_Colts1317]

This is going to be a wild off-season. There are going to be a lot of moves not QB related also. It’s going to be a wild and fun off-season league wild. I’m actually pretty excited to see how everything plays out. 

[jszfunk]

8 hours ago, RollerColt said:

Problem is, it's very hard to find that QB. We were extremely lucky to go from Peyton to Andrew to even Philip. It rarely happens to get a special talent. Just look at how long it took for the Bengals and Chiefs. Look at how the Broncos continue to struggle to find the next franchise QB. I think Jim is upset because he's realized our time is over. Yes, we'll have some good years sprinkled in, but we'll never be as dominant as we were with Peyton and even Andrew. 

 

It's really hard folks. 

Nailed it, dead on RollerColt.  There are a lot of teams looking for "that" QB and that struggle can go for years, decades. Wentz is going to be here for next year. Draft is weak in that area.  Free agency for the most part is fools gold, and very rare you are gonna strike it. They are just guys, stop gaps .

[jszfunk]

8 hours ago, Colt.45 said:

He pi$$ed away Andrew Luck. The QB who he sacrificed Peyton for.

That's on Jim.

 

I bet you he's leaning HARD on Ballard to get a guy in the draft class.

Not sure if I would put that all on Jim concerning Luck. He hired Grigson to do a job with personnel, and that failed to protect him.

[Colt.45]

39 minutes ago, Tsarquise said:

He didn't * away Luck. Luck chose to retire on his own volition.

 

He * away having exclusive rights to Manning's legacy.  

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Luck retired because of a compounding of injuries. Those injuries occurred because of administrative mismanagement. Whether from an inability to get the right personnel in, or just bad luck, they failed to protect the asset that was Andrew Luck....for YEARS. Now sacks can be a function of the QBs decision making many times but the offense for years was literally Andrew Luck pulling bunnies out of his butt and taking hits. He was great but needed support, and what'd Jim do? He sat there and let his organization get run by a man who complained that the QB's wages were stopping his build. He let dysfunction and failure creep in, all while having the best asset in the game. For me, that's pi$$ing away your asset. 

And that's all without talking of the fact that there's no way he didnt know that his QB was being trotted out there with serious injuries. Then he went on to say later that "it was all in Luck's head". Yeah...Luck retired of his own volition but Irsay paved the way there unwittingly. And yes, i'm being a tad harsh to Jim Irsay but trust me, he's beating himself up worse  

[SOMDColtsfan]

Anyone who thinks Irsay "didnt" know what he had in Manning or Luck is delusional. Irsay has been a part of the Colts and the Colts him since he was young. He's experienced many bad years, before Manning. He knows...Mahomes and Allan are both great QB's. It didnt hurt having Kelce and Hill to throw to either. Hill is a threat to score on any given play. Both teams have playmakers other than QB.

[Colt.45]

2 minutes ago, jszfunk said:

Not sure if I would put that all on Jim concerning Luck. He hired Grigson to do a job with personnel, and that failed to protect him.

It's not 100% on Jim. He did the right thing as an owner and let his employees do their jobs. Unfortunately the employees were on a serious one, and went off the deep end, and the fact that Jim didnt protect his asset more fiercely goes down as a demerit on his scorecard.

Teams go decades without a franchise QB. Irsay got one, got a Super Bowl from him, cut him and in true horseshoe fashion, he got lucky and drafted the next best thing, then proceeded to fail to reel in his front office and coaches who were mismanaging the kid. 

 

Is it a straight line to Irsay? No. But he takes the blame for it, and if you talk with him, he'd say as much. Jim Irsay trusted his franchise QB and his organization to a GM who....lets leave it there. There's blame to go around with Jim, Pagano and Grigson. There's a reason Irsay is being very vocal right now.

[Colt.45]

7 minutes ago, SOMDColtsfan said:

Anyone who thinks Irsay "didnt" know what he had in Manning or Luck is delusional. Irsay has been a part of the Colts and the Colts him since he was young. He's experienced many bad years, before Manning. He knows...Mahomes and Allan are both great QB's. It didnt hurt having Kelce and Hill to throw to either. Hill is a threat to score on any given play. Both teams have playmakers other than QB.

Irsay's comments about Manning and that time period showed a man who'd lost touch of what he had. Jim Irsay has forgotten more about this sport than most on the forum will ever even know so i don't make that comment lightly.

You can know that you have a good thing, and ALSO come to forget just how good that thing truly is, or dim in appreciation of just how much that thing does for you. Happens with human beings across the world every single day. Every single day.

[Moosejawcolt]

2 hours ago, Hawkeyecolt said:

The Colts and Vikings had the lowest vaccination rate in the league. A league that had around a 95% vaccination rate. Irsay is obviously PO’d about it. The Colts started 0-3 after a bunch of starters including Wentz were deemed close contacts to Fisher just prior to the start of the season.  They lost valuable time. Then finish 0-2 after a bunch of the team tests positive.  Some can take that video as a shot at Wentz or it can be a shot at the entire group who we’re unvaccinated. 
 

Listening to Rodgers whine on McAfee’s show about the world rooting against him because of his vaccination status makes a Rodgers-Irsay team unlikely. 
 

If I’m Ballard I’m taking a shot at Wilson. The Colts can offer them a package similar to what Detroit got from the Rams without hindering their ability to improve the team around Wilson. If they can’t land him then most likely they’re stuck with Wentz. 

so you take a shot at Wilson and how are you going to surround him with skills players now that you have spent all your draft capital on trading for him?

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

7 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

so you take a shot at Wilson and how are you going to surround him with skills players now that you have spent all your draft capital on trading for him?

 

Oh you know. Ballard will expect all those 6th and 7th round receivers to be stars lol.

[Moosejawcolt]

1 hour ago, Scott Pennock said:

From a stability standpoint I think they will finish out Wentz's contract BUT he may have Ballard try to draft a toolsy QB in the 2nd round to groom for a year? I HIGHLY doubt anyone would trade for Wentz unless they too, are a former Eagle coach who thinks they can win with him.....

 

OR.....

 

We trade Wentz for a bag of balls and start Sam all year, finish 3-14 and draft 1st overall in 2023 and have our pick of what is supposed to be a decent QB class.....lol <------- sarcasm alert, sarcasm alert, sarcasm alert

I just dont get it why people are so focused on Wentz. When i look at the landscape it is very ominous for the Colts. They dont have  a franchise qb. They dont have the skills players to make an average qb look above average. They dont have the Dline to go up against the likes of Mahommes, Herbert, Burrow, Allen and even Lamar. Just look at those names and it makes me cringe. The sad part is that they are going to be around for another 10+ plus years. Just look at the Titans. They have some skill players, a good Oline and a crzy Dline. The difference. They have an average qb and the other guy they played is an elite qb who made an elite play to set up the field goal. Sure the Niners have a great Dline and that may get them so far. They mostly constructed that Dline from picking in the top 10, which the Colts have not done. They have invested a ton of 2nd rounders with no real results to show for it. Honestly when I watch the games, I am not sure which way the Colts should go. Part of me is like blow the whole thing up because I truly dont know if you can win in todays game without the guy. No one has done it for a long time. When a defense does win a superbowl with an average qb it is just one year and that team falls back down to earth the next year. It seems you need a franchise qb, skills players, Oline made out of mid round picks and a Dline that can rush the passer. Just my thought

[Four2itus]

34 minutes ago, Captain_Colts1317 said:

This is going to be a wild off-season. There are going to be a lot of moves not QB related also. It’s going to be a wild and fun off-season league wild. I’m actually pretty excited to see how everything plays out. 

A fan who gets it! I am as excited as you. 

 

[SOMDColtsfan]

2 minutes ago, Colt.45 said:

Irsay's comments about Manning and that time period showed a man who'd lost touch of what he had. Irsay has forgotten more about this sport than most on the forum will ever even know so i don't make that comment lightly.

You can know that you have a good thing, and come to forget just how good that thing is, or dim in appreciation of just how much that thing does for you. Happens with human beings across the world every single day.

As a fan, I agreed with Irsay at the time. Still do. I realize its a "passing league". But..JT carved the Bills defense up on the ground. That doesn't always work out. Manning could score through the air on any given series. Come playoff time that didn't always work out. The only year the Colts won it all, the defense was a legit force once playoffs started, a great TE and great WR's..and they had a legit running game. I believe what Irsay is saying is this team needs balance (GM Ballard) and play to their abilities (Reich). It took perfection with available weapons and hearts of a lion for the Chiefs to beat the Bills. What Irsay is saying now is what he said then

[NewColtsFan]

2 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I just dont get it why people are so focused on Wentz. When i look at the landscape it is very ominous for the Colts. They dont have  a franchise qb. They dont have the skills players to make an average qb look above average. They dont have the Dline to go up against the likes of Mahommes, Herbert, Burrow, Allen and even Lamar. Just look at those names and it makes me cringe. The sad part is that they are going to be around for another 10+ plus years. Just look at the Titans. They have some skill players, a good Oline and a crzy Dline. The difference. They have an average qb and the other guy they played is an elite qb who made an elite play to set up the field goal. Sure the Niners have a great Dline and that may get them so far. They mostly constructed that Dline from picking in the top 10, which the Colts have not done. They have invested a ton of 2nd rounders with no real results to show for it. Honestly when I watch the games, I am not sure which way the Colts should go. Part of me is like blow the whole thing up because I truly dont know if you can win in todays game without the guy. No one has done it for a long time. When a defense does win a superbowl with an average qb it is just one year and that team falls back down to earth the next year. It seems you need a franchise qb, skills players, Oline made out of mid round picks and a Dline that can rush the passer. Just my thought

Just your thought.   
 

Which we all be subjected to over the rest of this year over and over and over again.   What’s the over-under for the number of times you’ll make that post?    100?   200?   
 

I assure you with absolute certainty based on your history since you arrived.   We’ll be reading posts like this until the 2022 season is done.  

[richard pallo]

7 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

so you take a shot at Wilson and how are you going to surround him with skills players now that you have spent all your draft capital on trading for him?

 

I don’t think Wilson would agree to the trade unless he was assured by the Colts that they had a plan to get him those skill players.  Most likely requiring some contract restructuring and making a couple of significant FA moves.

[stitches]

BTW Kenny Moore liked a tweet by Darius Butler suggesting the Colts should go after Aaron Rodgers. IMO the locker room is very far from sold on Wentz. TY did something similar right after the Jaguars game too. 

 

I am not saying they hate him or something of the sort, I bet on personal level they like him, but you cannot deceive the locker room. They know. They see what Wentz is doing on the field. 

[RollerColt]

17 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Oh you know. Ballard will expect all those 6th and 7th round receivers to be stars lol.

Dear God… 

[John Hammonds]

After reading through this entire thread for the past  (looks at watch) oh, I don't know.  A long time.

I've come to this conclusion:

I'm glad Chris Ballard does not read these boards, nor makes his decisions based on what is posted.

[Colt.45]

6 minutes ago, SOMDColtsfan said:

As a fan, I agreed with Irsay at the time. Still do. I realize its a "passing league". But..JT carved the Bills defense up on the ground. That doesn't always work out. Manning could score through the air on any given series. Come playoff time that didn't always work out. The only year the Colts won it all, the defense was a legit force once playoffs started, a great TE and great WR's..and they had a legit running game. I believe what Irsay is saying is this team needs balance (GM Ballard) and play to their abilities (Reich). It took perfection with available weapons and hearts of a lion for the Chiefs to beat the Bills. What Irsay is saying now is what he said then

The best way to win the SB is to actually get in the playoffs regularly. The rest of it can be a crapshoot. When you say the things Irsay said, it's indicative of a person who doesnt appreciate what he has (or a guy who didnt), and as you say you agreed with him as did quite a few others. He had a team that had the # 1 recipe i.e. just get in there. The other stuff? Running game, defense, sure that's important but Jim's point was that the magical offense wasnt enough which was simply not fair to the legacy of the QB who made Indy a football city.

 

A missed tackle here, a broken tackle there, an unfortunate injury here, a missed home field opportunity there. There're many teams who go home unhappy every year. We saw it in Indy for a decade. Buffalo are seeing it now. You get to a level of luxury where your aim at the start of the season is securing home field advantage, that stuff dulls you to the brilliance you have.

 

The beauty of football is every team would love to build a balanced unit but resources don't work that way. You have to make choices.

 

[Four2itus]

5 hours ago, stitches said:

Do your job, or you're out. Full support from me here!

I remember a quote from an NFL coach...not sure who...who said,

 

"You have 3 choices. Do what I say and we succeed.....and you'll get all the credit. Do what I say and we fail....and I'll take all the blame. Or don't do what I say, and you'll be gone". 

[smittywerb]

2 hours ago, Colt.45 said:

Good stuff, one note though.....JT had the most rush attempts in the league this year. We leaned too heavily on the run game. We were working the dude.

However, that crutch of leaning on the run game happened because the pass wasnt doing anything. If the pass was working better, i don't think teams would have squatted on JT like they wound up doing. When your QB shows that he cannot punish defenses for their choices, they double down on those choices. It's a copycat league and the word is out, we'd better be able to pass the ball in 2022 because teams are going to stack the box and dare our QB is to throw

agreed, that’s honestly what I was getting at.  No doubt he was used but not to an extent like the Titans did with Derrick Henry.  But even though he had the most touches I don’t feel we ran him into the ground.  Some games I do think he was used too much.  Especially games where he didn’t need to (ex.  The bills game).  

[csmopar]

9 hours ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

I am really sick of Irsay. 

Find another team then. 

[NewColtsFan]

26 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

After reading through this entire thread for the past  (looks at watch) oh, I don't know.  A long time.

I've come to this conclusion:

I'm glad Chris Ballard does not read these boards, nor makes his decisions based on what is posted.

But I wouldn’t be surprised if one or more of his kids did.   Or some staffer in the building does.   
 

Just saying….

[Four2itus]

6 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Find another team then. 

Exactly. If one wants to use a name that isn't going anywhere, use CarlieIrsayRocks. 

[John Hammonds]

3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

But I wouldn’t be surprised if one or more of his kids did.   Or some staffer in the building does.   
 

Just saying….

In that case....

 

Carlie! Stop reading!  Stop it, I say!  La La La La La La La La La La

[ChuggaBeer]

36 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

After reading through this entire thread for the past  (looks at watch) oh, I don't know.  A long time.

I've come to this conclusion:

I'm glad Chris Ballard does not read these boards, nor makes his decisions based on what is posted.

Really?  I wish he would come here and tell certain people they are freakin insane!!!!!!

[RollerColt]

7 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

But I wouldn’t be surprised if one or more of his kids did.   Or some staffer in the building does.   
 

Just saying….

Certainly. It’s a forum officially tied to the team. And a good reason for why we have such amazing mods to keep it clean in here. 

[Nancy]

50 minutes ago, stitches said:

BTW Kenny Moore liked a tweet by Darius Butler suggesting the Colts should go after Aaron Rodgers. IMO the locker room is very far from sold on Wentz. TY did something similar right after the Jaguars game too. 

 

I am not saying they hate him or something of the sort, I bet on personal level they like him, but you cannot deceive the locker room. They know. They see what Wentz is doing on the field. 

Wasn't it Pat McAfee saying that the next QB for the Colts would be Aaron Rodgers?!!

[csmopar]

22 minutes ago, Nancy said:

Wasn't it Pat McAfee saying that the next QB for the Colts would be Aaron Rodgers?!!

As awesome as it’d be, it should would be a short term solution. But man most of me would love this

[Hawkeyecolt]

1 hour ago, Moosejawcolt said:

so you take a shot at Wilson and how are you going to surround him with skills players now that you have spent all your draft capital on trading for him?

 

The Rams were in worse shape than the Colts last season and went out and got Stafford. They didn’t give up a # 1 last year.  They gave up a #3 in 2021. They gave up #1’s in 2022 and 2023 and Goff. The Colts could put forth a similar offer for Wilson. I would initially offer Kelly instead of the #3 knowing that might not fly. If Seattle wants Wentz in the deal I offer to pay $15 million of it. 
 

I’m getting rid of Doyle. Between Doyle and Wentz that puts the Colts up to $61 million in cap space before acquiring Wilson.  Free-agent contracts can be weighted more in 2023 than 2022 if necessary. All teams will reap the benefits of a new tv deal in 2023. The salary cap will jump tremendously.  I’m also parting with Kelly after 2022 if I haven’t traded him already.  Guys like Defo and Grover can restructure if need be.  There are enough draft picks and money left to surround Wilson. 
 

The issues are whether Seattle would deal him. Would a team like Philly offer more, and would Wilson want to play in Indy. Not being able to surround him with talent. Irsay has money and is willing to spend. His days on earth are on the clock.  All teams pay cap specialists to figure things out. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Kevin Bowen said in his podcast today that the video Irsay tweeted with the Bible story was in mature and childish to do on Twitter.  He said Irsay needs to get over the vaccination stuff,

 

He repeated again Thr a Ballard was a hard no on Stafford.

[ChuggaBeer]

3 minutes ago, csmopar said:

As awesome as it’d be, it should would be a short term solution. But man most of me would love this

"Jimmy from the Colts" would certainly sell out the stadium. 

[Knuckles79]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

BTW Kenny Moore liked a tweet by Darius Butler suggesting the Colts should go after Aaron Rodgers. IMO the locker room is very far from sold on Wentz. TY did something similar right after the Jaguars game too. 

 

I am not saying they hate him or something of the sort, I bet on personal level they like him, but you cannot deceive the locker room. They know. They see what Wentz is doing on the field. 

Even if you believe it you as a teammate shouldn't be publicly endorsing for another player to be signed. Jags ate Kenny for lunch that day also

[EastStreet]

10 hours ago, CurBeatElite said:

Sorry mods, please merge if this is already posted but did not see it in the irsay all chips are in thread. Irsay says it is clear watching playoffs you need a qb and O who can score 30 plus and a D that can hold the opponent under 30.  The fact he mentions the qb position leads me to believe Wentz is out.

 

Sort of odd that he tweeted it at 1:20am on Tuesday AM, but it's Irsay so not too out of the ordinary. 

 

 

 

Of the teams left.....

3 of the 4 have top 10 OLs...

And coaching style/scheme, Reid, Callahan, McVay, Shannahan is a huge departure from ours.. 

And only one of those teams is top 10 rushing.... 

 

[NewColtsFan]

42 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

In that case....

 

Carlie! Stop reading!  Stop it, I say!  La La La La La La La La La La

Carlie is Irsay’s daughter….   But she’s an adult.  

 

I was talking about Ballard’s kids.   He’s talked his kids telling him when fans are tough in him on social media. 

 

 

[Pat Curtis]

10 hours ago, Fisticuffs111 said:

Holder did an interview on JMV where he shared said stuff that kind of coincides with Irsay says here, having a high powered/better offense.

 

Said that a well placed source thought they relied on the run too much or at least that the run game had to do too much…that they need a real weapon at WR (duh)…and that Pitt’s better suited as a 2 (agree with that).

 

Also, on defense, that they didn’t get as much production out the edge rushers as they wanted (who didn’t see that coming?). That he thinks they had a number of sacks in mind and didn’t come close. 

 

So Holder with his incredible "sources" had THAT to say?!  Everyone knows this stuff who has watched a few games.  I hope you guys don't pay for this fantastic "insight" from that guy...

[EastStreet]

11 hours ago, CurBeatElite said:

Ballard has long said you need to be able to run and stop the run in the playoffs.  He's still about building the trenches. We showed we can win by pounding the rock and have had the run the damn ball motto for a few years. 

 

I doubt we're going to totally veer away from the run, but my guess is irsay wants a qb who can put up 30 if that's what needs to be done. We had a great record when JT had >100 yards and and bad record when Wentz threw a lot.

 

Of course, a qb will need more weapons at wr/te to thrive in this offense.. but, it's pretty clear from irsays tweet that he wants to be able to win if our qb has to throw the ball 40+ times.

 

I, for one, would like to see a more balanced approach on offense. At least part of that will require better pass blocking and more weapons. Whether or not Wentz will be the qb, I don't know.. but irsay did single out qb in that tweet, so it's either meant to challenge Wentz or to suggest he's looking to get a new qb.

 

On running.

 

Only one team (that's left) is top 10 in running (49ers are 7th), And the 49ers don't have a 1000 yard rusher. 

 

They do however have the #3 ranked OL, and some great skill players on O.

[Jack86]

I guess the proof will be in the pudding!

 

[CurBeatElite]

3 hours ago, Colt.45 said:

Love the comments. Responses in bold. Good stuff.

 

Also enjoyed your responses..  

 

You made a comment that what Mahommes and Allen did (i.e., put together long, time-consuming drives - time-consuming because they don't throw incompletions which stop the clock - so in some ways even though they are not running a lot, they're controlling the clock as if they were playing keep away by running) is not rare for them.  To an extent, you're correct, they are two of the best QBs in the game... but that is rare for them.  Mahommes was 75% in that game, he was 66.3% in regular season.  Allen was 73% in that game, he was 63.3% in regular season.  Both were almost 10% higher than normal.  Burrow was only QB in league to average >70% in regular season and he was at 70.4%, so yes it's rare for a QB to complete 75% of passes.  That said, when I said it was rare, I was trying to say it'd not be something for us to expect (especially if we don't get Rodgers) -- if we want to play keep away with the Chiefs in the playoffs, we'll likely have to rely heavy on the run game (similar to the Bills game we had early this year, which is also rare like you pointed out), as it's not going to be easy to expect our QB to have a 73-75% completion rate against them to keep the clock running on long drives.

[Jack86]

Lots of talk about green bay having big cap issues.

 

I wonder if the colts go hard at Rogers.

 

Go Colts