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  1. Personally, I think Mack going down early in week 1 changed the game plan. Also, aside from the 2 bad interceptions, Rivers was very efficient passing vs. Jax. Before he got hurt (I think it was the 4th offensive drive - TD drive 1, Hines got stopped on 4th and 1 at Jax 3 drive 2, Rivers threw pick drive 3) Mack was very effective as a runner and receiver out of the backfield. The missed FG, getting stuffed on 4th and 1 deep in Jax territory on our 2nd drive and costly interceptions certainly didn't help, as it allowed Jax to stay in the game and then take a lead. Had we gotten that 4th a
  2. Ben is 4 below him on that list... Look at the AFC since 2004 -- Brady, Peyton and Pittsburgh have been dominant since Rivers entered the league (Flacco and Mahommes each had 1 SB appearance since Rivers entered the league, otherwise it has been/was dominated by Brady and his HOF coach Belichick, Peyton and his HOF coach Dungy, and Ben and his future HOF coach Tomlin). Yea, Rivers lack of championships may hurt him in some eyes, but we'll probably never see another era of dominance in the NFL like Brady-Belichick put together in NE. IF is a big word -- I'd put myself
  3. Not quite sure JT is more physically gifted than Saquon (not sure any RB in the NFL is, TBH -- maybe Derrick Henry due to how massive he is?). Their 40 yard dash, 20 yard split, 10 yard split, 20 yard shuttle are just about identical (JT ran a 4.39, SB ran a 4.40). Saquon had a 5 inch higher vertical leap and 12 more reps at 225 lbs on bench and is also 8 pounds heavier and 2 inches taller. Also, not sure Mack is a top 10 RB. I like Mack, he had a good year last year... but behind one of the top OLs in the NFL, he ranked 24th in average yards per carry last year out of those who
  4. ^I'll say you're both right.. along with not converting a 4th and short inside Jax's 10. The Jags didn't really beat us that game, we beat ourselves... but as recent trends go, we stink against JAX in JAX and we stink at season openers... hopefully that'll change, soon. Also, losing Mack early in that game probably had a lot to do with our offensive game plan (IMO)... we threw 46 times and ran 22 - Mack was having a lot of success running, we struggled after he went down.
  5. I tend to disagree here. Have all the guys you mentioned had better seasons than Rivers? Yes. Have more than 4 done it in the same year? Aside from last year, I think not (admittedly, part of that is due to the other guys being injured for long stretches of time). Rivers has also had seasons where he was better, at least statistically, than all of the guys mentioned here. In 2008 he led the league in passer rating and tied for lead with Brees for TDs (Brees had more yards, but also threw almost 200 more attempts and still had the same amount of TDs and a lower passer rating),
  6. I think Taylor has been consistently improving. His overall numbers will likely depend on what Reich/Sirianni do with the O play calling. We seem to have had more imbalanced than balanced games on O (really aside from week 3 against NYJ). Week | Pass Attempts | Run Attempts 1 | 46 | 22 2 | 25 | 40 3 | 25 | 31 4 | 29 | 38 5 | 33 |18 6 | 44 | 15 Both Hines and Wilkins have seen big drops in c
  7. Brees got offensive player of year that year, and threw for more yards and the Saints offense put up more points. He and Rivers tied for league lead in TDs (both 34) with Kurt Warner (30), Aaron Rodgers (28), Peyton (27) rounding out the top 5. Brees did throw 635 attempts and Rivers 478, which explains the difference in yards. Rivers rating was a 105.5, followed by Chad Pennington (97.4), Warner (96.9), Brees (96.2), Peyton (95.0).... I think it's kind of a toss-up between Brees and Rivers for offensive player of year that year and think the fact that Brees got it is OK given that the Sain
  8. I see where you are coming from to some extent... but don't fully agree. I think if you ask just about anyone who follows football and has for a long time to name the top 3 QBs ever, both Brady and Manning will be mentioned. There are 23 QBs from the modern-era in the Pro Football HOF. Several of those guys were not the best at their position at any point in their career. Troy Aikman won multiple superbowls on absolutely loaded teams, but he was never a first or second team all-pro and was only a 6x pro-bowler (Rivers has gone to 8). Aikman never lead the league in any major pa
  9. Rivers was also forced to do virtual learning/meetings with his new team and coaching staff due to covid. The Rookies on this team had very little NFL experience compared to years past (Pittman was the #2 WR and Taylor has become the number #1 RB this season). If I recall correctly, Luck played very little in preseason games that year... but this year Rivers and his teammates didn't even get to play preseason games. Also, through 6 weeks Rivers has lost his RB 1 (Mack), WRs 2 and 3 (Pittman and Campbell), and has seen all 3 of his TEs (Doyle, Burton, MAC) miss games.
  10. I'm not really sure that Rock is a 'weak link.' Personally, I think Willis is the 'weak link' of our secondary. That said, Rhodes seems like he's back to probowl form after a down year last year and I imagine after his pick six and other INT that teams are more likely to pick on Rock that Rhodes. Agreed -- though, the problem with Kenny Moore is he is really not very good when he has to line up outside. I know he typically only does that if an injury happens, but he becomes a liability out there (IMO). However, as a nickelback, I think he's one of the best in the enti
  11. No, in your first post you say stats aren't important without post-season success. Then you use a very poor example by comparing Rivers to Kenny Anderson. Your logic in this post was very flawed. Then you suggest I don't realize today's NFL is more passer-friendly than it was when Kenny Anderson played, which you were wrong about. Then you come back with another post suggesting that stats do matter and use a list with 75% of the guys you named not having a superbowl ring (only Marv has 1). Then you lie about your statistics, so not only were you trying to reverse you
  12. Didn't you say in your previous post that stats don't mean anything? QB is a different position than WR, obviously. And if you read my post, I'm saying I think Rivers has the credentials to be first-ballot but he'll have a lot of competition with guys who will be retiring at or near the same time as him and who will likely be on the ballot at the same time. This all comes into play with the selection committee. And then let's get to the facts... Rivers is going to be top 5 in passing yards and most likely passing TDs when he retires. Right now he is one of only 6 QBs
  13. Only team I could think of would potentially be New England if Cam and the Patriots don't turn it around and if Belichick comes back. The only reason I say that is because Jacoby is a disciplined player who doesn't turn the ball over much and he has familiarity with NE. I think Belichick could win with him being basically a game manager, and if NE drafts a QB who they want to develop, I could see Jacoby making sense for them as a short-term solution. Highly doubt we could trade Jacoby for a 3rd. I don't think he's any better than Dalton, anyway.
  14. By the end of this year, barring injury, Rivers will definitely be top 5 All-Time in Passing Yards. He'll likely be top 5 in passing TDs. I am with you, the HOF has a lot of factors, but they aren't selecting 'teams' they are selecting individual players. The fact Rivers doesn't have a SB will likely hurt him in the eyes of some voters, and it's the only thing I think which could keep him from being first ballot (potentially along with his retiring class and who else is on the ballot). Eli likely won't return to the NFL, so he'll be eligible at least one year prior to Rivers - I don't see
  15. Your initial post read: "I don't know. I kinda put him in the Kenny Anderson category. Great QB with stats to back it up, but no or little success in the post season. He'll get in, but not before Eli and Ben" Kinda seems like stats mean something. And your logic is totally flawed. The HOF has a lot of factors and it is for individual players, not for teams. Therefore, stats do matter. If the HOF selection criteria was based mainly on playoff success, like you suggest in this post (contradicting your first post), then Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Brad Johnson and J
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