Year 3- Dorsett Expectations?

[RockThatBlue]

What are your expectations for his third season?

 

Do you think he improves greatly? 

[twfish]

They are talking about him on 107.5 now haha. Honestly it's still in my opinion that he's used wrong, he's used alot as clear out routes and to take a top off for t.y. I still think he has a ton of upside and i think if he was used like he should be he could be a really decent WR

[NewColtsFan]

 

I'm hoping for 50 catches and 750 yards....

 

We're basically talking about 3 catches per game.....       that would be a step up....    in two seasons he has about 50 catches total +/-

 

I hope the difference is the new WR coach.... 

[jameszeigler834]

17 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

I'm hoping for 50 catches and 750 yards....

 

We're basically talking about 3 catches per game.....       that would be a step up....    in two seasons he has about 50 catches total +/-

 

I hope the difference is the new WR coach.... 

55 catches for about 800 yards and 5-6 touchdowns that would be enough for me to justify keeping him around next offseason.

[21isSuperman]

I once saw a post on these forums that said the Colts need to use Dorsett the way the Falcons used Taylor Gabriel.  Lots of deep routes to take advantage of his speed and open up things underneath, and use his speed and quickness to our advantage by getting him the ball in space.  Get the ball in his hands and let him make plays.

[GoBlue12]

From reports, he has been working on improving his route running. If he succeeds, perhaps Chud will use him in a less predictable way. Let's hope.

[RockThatBlue]

1 hour ago, 21isSuperman said:

I once saw a post on these forums that said the Colts need to use Dorsett the way the Falcons used Taylor Gabriel.  Lots of deep routes to take advantage of his speed and open up things underneath, and use his speed and quickness to our advantage by getting him the ball in space.  Get the ball in his hands and let him make plays.

I always felt like he could be used similarly to how Percy Harvin was used. 

 

Harvin would be lined up everywhere, even taking snaps at RB. With Dorsetts speed, I don't see why Dorsett couldn't do that.

[crazycolt1]

9 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:

I always felt like he could be used similarly to how Percy Harvin was used. 

 

Harvin would be lined up everywhere, even taking snaps at RB. With Dorsetts speed, I don't see why Dorsett couldn't do that.

I truly feel he has the talent but so far the Colts and their offensive play calling has been suspect.

It seems they have a hard time utilizing their talent at their disposal.

Maybe an upgrade in the offensive line will help in that regards.

[WoolMagnet]

There are only so many balls to go around.  TY, moncrief, and perhaps doyle will get the bulk.  Ty and moncrief will see most of the snaps. I think some here are expecting too much. 750 or 800 yards?  Thats 50 yards a game.  That will be tough to average imo with all the other weapons around.  Even Aiken will push for catches because of his size. We may even lean more on the running game.

i would say if he holds onto the balls thrown his way and he stays healthy, i will be happy.

lets hope Chud comes up with creative ways to use his talent (speed).  I'm gonna say 500 yards and 3 TDs.

[WoolMagnet]

2 hours ago, jameszeigler834 said:

55 catches for about 800 yards and 5-6 touchdowns that would be enough for me to justify keeping him around next offseason.

There are #1 and #2 receivers in the league that dont get that production.  I would think ty or crief would have to miss games for dorsett to reach those numbers.  The kid cant pile up yards if he isnt on the field.

[sreeb2deeni]

I don't see anything special with him. Fast yes, but drops important balls.

 

When you are still working on your route running in your third year, you sound like a typical Grigson project player.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but he's in tough competition for playing time now and Ballard probably would have never picked him if he was our GM during the 2015 draft.

[21isSuperman]

1 hour ago, RockThatBlue said:

I always felt like he could be used similarly to how Percy Harvin was used. 

 

Harvin would be lined up everywhere, even taking snaps at RB. With Dorsetts speed, I don't see why Dorsett couldn't do that.

That's another really good comparison.  I'd really like to see that.

[21isSuperman]

12 minutes ago, sreeb2deeni said:

I don't see anything special with him. Fast yes, but drops important balls.

 

When you are still working on your route running in your third year, you sound like a typical Grigson project player.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but he's in tough competition for playing time now and Ballard probably would have never picked him if he was our GM during the 2015 draft.

I'm not here to defend Dorsett, but while some of his drops have been in some backbreaking situations, I think that has caused his drop problem to be overrated.  Per https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2016/customize/, he only had 3 drops on 59 targets in 2016, which is 5.1%.  That's a lower drop rate than Michael Crabtree, Brandon Marshall, Allen Hurns, Travis Kelce, Le'Veon Bell, and Darren Sproles.  In 2015, he had 0 drops on 39 targets.

[crazycolt1]

33 minutes ago, sreeb2deeni said:

I don't see anything special with him. Fast yes, but drops important balls.

 

When you are still working on your route running in your third year, you sound like a typical Grigson project player.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but he's in tough competition for playing time now and Ballard probably would have never picked him if he was our GM during the 2015 draft.

His drop rate is less than quite a few receivers and RBs that are regular starters.

[twfish]

52 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

There are only so many balls to go around.  TY, moncrief, and perhaps doyle will get the bulk.  Ty and moncrief will see most of the snaps. I think some here are expecting too much. 750 or 800 yards?  Thats 50 yards a game.  That will be tough to average imo with all the other weapons around.  Even Aiken will push for catches because of his size. We may even lean more on the running game.

i would say if he holds onto the balls thrown his way and he stays healthy, i will be happy.

lets hope Chud comes up with creative ways to use his talent (speed).  I'm gonna say 500 yards and 3 TDs.

^this

[Hoosiernsavga]

i expect him to make the roster.

i really hope Dorsett will have a good season but I doubt he will ever live up to his first round billing. He's just not that great of a receiver. No surprise he wasn't that great at the U either. He can make the occasional home run open field play. I was hoping for him to at least be a good return specialist for the Colts. But that doesn't look very promising either. 

Good luck to Dorsett the Colts could really use him as an additional weapon in the offense. It's pretty much do or die this season for him. 

[sreeb2deeni]

Fellas I see your point with drops rates. However, when your QB sees you gag in an important situation, he is probably going to be less apt to throw your way in another equally important situation. Had Dorsett been targeted more in those situations, would his drop rate gotten worse?

 

Honestly, I think deep down he knows he was drafted way above where he deserved to be drafted and with that he has put pressure on himself to live up to his 1st round status. His problem is between his ears. 

[ar1888]

I expect him to be cut before the season starts. If not, I expect him to be a game day inactive more often than not. Ballard has zero connections to Dorsett, So it should be a easy cut if he once again underperforms.

[will426]

Dorsett doesn't have the ideal quickness but he's great speed  the playcalling has been lacking in terms for his production even for Hilton  I think he caught 1 slant last year and took it to the house..and you see guys like Landry and OBJ get slants weekly to see what they can do after the catch.. it's like we have no counter when people play off coverage on us we just send everyone to same area and hope the play breaks down and luck somehow finds hilton for an amazing catch 

[throwing BBZ]

22 minutes ago, will426 said:

Dorsett doesn't have the ideal quickness but he's great speed  the playcalling has been lacking in terms for his production even for Hilton  I think he caught 1 slant last year and took it to the house..and you see guys like Landry and OBJ get slants weekly to see what they can do after the catch.. it's like we have no counter when people play off coverage on us we just send everyone to same area and hope the play breaks down and luck somehow finds hilton for an amazing catch 

 

 Hitting a quick slant takes quick thinking and pinpoint accuracy. If you know what i mean. lol
 And plodding guards that can`t get out in space kills many Normal options. Lanky Haeg will hurt us some,
but he can run. yeehaa!
 Dorsett needs to up his game. His speed is feared.

[jameszeigler834]

1 hour ago, WoolMagnet said:

There are #1 and #2 receivers in the league that dont get that production.  I would think ty or crief would have to miss games for dorsett to reach those numbers.  The kid cant pile up yards if he isnt on the field.

He could put up those numbers if he gets open more often.

[crazycolt1]

18 minutes ago, jameszeigler834 said:

He could put up those numbers if he gets open more often.

Maybe if you would go back and watch the tape of him on the field you would notice he does get open. One of the problems is Luck hasn't had the time to go through any progressions and he also force feeds Hilton. When Hilton is not gone to Luck dumps the ball off to Doyle. The offensive plays that are called have not been beneficial to Dorsett either.

[BProland85]

I'll also be curious to see how Chester Rogers is used this year. I think at the very least he has earned the WR #4 spot behind Hilton, Moncrief, and Aiken. Dorsett needs to earn it to beat out Rogers.

[TKnight24]

Number 5 WR behind 

 

Hilton 

Moncrief 

Aiken 

Rogers

[crazycolt1]

7 minutes ago, TKnight24 said:

Number 5 WR behind 

 

Hilton 

Moncrief 

Aiken 

Rogers

IMO there will be no clear cut who is number 2-5 once on the field. It will all come down to what play is called and what personnel is used in that formation.

[RockThatBlue]

1 hour ago, ar1888 said:

I expect him to be cut before the season starts. If not, I expect him to be a game day inactive more often than not. Ballard has zero connections to Dorsett, So it should be a easy cut if he once again underperforms.

Really doubt he gets cut this year. That would happen next year IMO. Hopefully it won't need to happen.

[WoolMagnet]

1 hour ago, jameszeigler834 said:

He could put up those numbers if he gets open more often.

Agreed.  But some of that may have been due to Chud, Andrew, and the OL.  He had some nagging injuries too. Hes not a big guy. We've been lucky TY has stayed on the field.  TY is smart, he avoids big hits.  Wonder if he learned it watching old Marvin videos.

i hope he does well.  Chester the DB molester is who I'll be watching. He's just exciting everytime he touches the ball. Reminds me a little of Terrance Wilkins.

[will426]

1 hour ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Hitting a quick slant takes quick thinking and pinpoint accuracy. If you know what i mean. lol
 And plodding guards that can`t get out in space kills many Normal options. Lanky Haeg will hurt us some,
but he can run. yeehaa!
 Dorsett needs to up his game. His speed is feared.

 agreed but it's just like how we were trying to force T-Rich to work. Now we're forcing our small receivers to do too much instead of doing what would fit them I mean we see Hilton get thrown jump balls (I know he does come down with them) but that's not how he's built  we don't seem to utilize this offense at all and it's not lack of playmakers the talent is there it's been there on offense besides rb/oline

[Luck is Good]

I'm not expecting too much to be perfectly honest. He better hope he improves though. If not, he'll definitely be cut at the end of the season

[bleevit]

Route running, route running, route running.  Then his speed will make him a difference maker. If he just goes out there like a gazelle with a bee on his behind, he may me gone.

[Dark Superman]

I'm pretty sure he bulked up a bit this off-season.

[Dark Superman]

Protect Luck and give him time to allow a speedster like Dorsett to get down the field and have a chance to open up the field. Chud needs to get creative with this guy and find ways to get the ball in his hands. He showed that he can make plays. We just need to get the ball in his hands more.

[MacDee1975]

I expect him to be invisible, just like he's been his entire career.  I also expect Aiken and Rogers to leap over him on the depth chart.....quickly and easily.

[RockThatBlue]

3 hours ago, WoolMagnet said:

 TY is smart, he avoids big hits.  Wonder if he learned it watching old Marvin videos.

 

Feel like I remember reading somewhere that Reggie Wayne taught him that, as Marvin taught Reggie to do that. 

[MR. Blueblood]

I think Dorsett was a Grigson safety blanket pick in case they couldn't get a deal done with T.Y.  Now that we have two small speedsters, they (coaches/coordinators) seem to be struggling to find ways to utilize them together.  T.Y. has the benefit of more time spent with Luck, and Luck trusts him to make a play.  That trust, IMO, isn't there with Dorsett, so I don't think Luck goes to him or even looks his way really because of that.  You have seen Chester Rogers get targeted a lot more towards the end of the season as Luck has developed some rapport with him.

 

I've never been fond of the Dorsett pick as I felt it was Grigson overreaching for a player that really wasn't a need.  Sure, many on this forum have defended the pick as Grigson's BPA (which if he was who in their right mind was putting that board together?), or they use the Reggie Wayne example to continue to hold out hope that this kid is going to be something special.  I hope that he makes me eat my words because I want to see the success for the team, but I doubt it.  My expectations for year 3.....try like hell to make the 53, and then try like hell to not be one of the 7 inactives on game day every week. 

[jameszeigler834]

8 hours ago, WoolMagnet said:

There are only so many balls to go around.  TY, moncrief, and perhaps doyle will get the bulk.  Ty and moncrief will see most of the snaps. I think some here are expecting too much. 750 or 800 yards?  Thats 50 yards a game.  That will be tough to average imo with all the other weapons around.  Even Aiken will push for catches because of his size. We may even lean more on the running game.

i would say if he holds onto the balls thrown his way and he stays healthy, i will be happy.

lets hope Chud comes up with creative ways to use his talent (speed).  I'm gonna say 500 yards and 3 TDs.

Moncrief is inconsistent he goes off one game like 5 to 7 catches for 100 or more yards next week he gets maybe 2 catches for about 20 yards now I like crief in the redzone he is a touchdown machine there but he needs to step his game up and be that week to week threat we expected when we drafted him or he will find himself goin somewhere else to play in 2018.

[WarGhost21]

18 minutes ago, jameszeigler834 said:

Moncrief is inconsistent he goes off one game like 5 to 7 catches for 100 or more yards next week he gets maybe 2 catches for about 20 yards now I like crief in the redzone he is a touchdown machine there but he needs to step his game up and be that week to week threat we expected when we drafted him or he will find himself goin somewhere else to play in 2018.

We drafted him in the third round. He was never supposed to be "that week to week threat" as you put it. Most players drafted in any round but the first don't do that. He's a number 2 as well so he isn't going to be getting every ball his way. My only issue with Moncrief is staying healthy but other than that I think he's doing fine

[Fluke_33]

I think the 3rd year is the time when receiviers either have it or not.  Didn't Reggie take a little time?

 

ill take a chance and say he puts it together this year.  

[WoolMagnet]

3 hours ago, jameszeigler834 said:

Moncrief is inconsistent he goes off one game like 5 to 7 catches for 100 or more yards next week he gets maybe 2 catches for about 20 yards now I like crief in the redzone he is a touchdown machine there but he needs to step his game up and be that week to week threat we expected when we drafted him or he will find himself goin somewhere else to play in 2018.

Are u talking about Crief or Dorsett?  One could make the argument they both have underachieved the team's expectations.

i wouldnt be surprised if we see better production thru the whole organization.  Theres a renewed excitement and optimism in the organization. I think the team knows Ballard will give EVERYONE a chance to contribute and succeed.  They also know (i think) that either they produce, or they'll be gone.  Players and coaches alike.

[AZColt11]

We're likely talking about a 4th or 5th option here.  If he steps up and REALLY surprises perhaps they move him up to the top 3.  But I'm not sure he's going to get that chance.  He REALLY needs to show something in pre-season for that to happen, or Heaven forbid, an injury.  I would say 20-25 catches, 225-250 yards, 2-3 TD's sounds about right for his position in the pecking order.  But I don't see him getting by Hilton, Moncrief, Aiken, or maybe even Rogers at this point.