on JMV today / Peyton Manning rumors (merge)

[dgambill]

11 hours ago, Myles said:

My bad.    I must have read it hastily and assumed you were referring to Bird in a bad way.

I agree that we don't know how Manning would do as GM.  Personally, I would put my money on him being successful.   He seems to always make wise decisions whether in life or on the field.   I think it is mostly because he puts in the time and does the research before making a decision.   A well researched educated guess is better than a typical Grigson guess.  

I am pretty disheartened by the Grigson/Pagano era. I think we can do better. Since they are staying I just hope they grow as GM/Coaches and do a better job. That said I just haven't seen enough there to say I feel confident "personally" to think they will get this thing turned around. For me staying the course is great for consistency but if the course is headed to Greenland and not a beautiful island in the carribean then well I'd rather us weather some storms and get this thing turned around even if we have a to hire a new captain.

 

For my money I think Bird has done ok...had his share of hits and misses...in a small market like Indiana in basketball his job is much more difficult but overall he puts a good product on the court. I'm sure with Manning we could do the same. The learning curve might be a little rough for a bit but in the end I trust his judgement of talent and what it takes to win. If he gets a front office job I won't complain.

[dudley dawson]

What respectable coach is going to want to work under Grigson if he stays??

[dudley dawson]

7 minutes ago, dgambill said:

I am pretty disheartened by the Grigson/Pagano era. I think we can do better. Since they are staying I just hope they grow as GM/Coaches and do a better job. That said I just haven't seen enough there to say I feel confident "personally" to think they will get this thing turned around. For me staying the course is great for consistency but if the course is headed to Greenland and not a beautiful island in the carribean then well I'd rather us weather some storms and get this thing turned around even if we have a to hire a new captain.

 

For my money I think Bird has done ok...had his share of hits and misses...in a small market like Indiana in basketball his job is much more difficult but overall he puts a good product on the court. I'm sure with Manning we could do the same. The learning curve might be a little rough for a bit but in the end I trust his judgement of talent and what it takes to win. If he gets a front office job I won't complain.

You have no clue if they are staying or not.

[jvan1973]

Just now, dudley dawson said:

What respectable coach is going to want to work under Grigson if he stays??

Any coach that wants to become an NFL  head coach

[dudley dawson]

2 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Any coach that wants to become an NFL  head coach

You missed the word "respectable". lol

[buccolts]

3 minutes ago, dudley dawson said:

What respectable coach is going to want to work under Grigson if he stays??

 

? I don't know who Grigson knows.

[buccolts]

Just now, dudley dawson said:

You missed the word "respectable". lol

OK,

Any respectable coach that wants to become an NFL  head coach

or

Any respectable person that wants to become an NFL  head coach

or

Any respectable coach that wants to become a respectable NFL  head coach

or

Any respectable person that wants to become a respectable NFL  head coach

[dgambill]

5 minutes ago, dudley dawson said:

You have no clue if they are staying or not.

Your right. I'm just taking Jim at his word from his press conference a couple weeks ago. If he has changed his mind he hasn't told anyone. But you are correct.

[AZColt11]

This whole no info thing has me wondering if Irsay is waiting to talk to Saban since they are still in their season.  Not sure if that is bad or good but it makes me wonder.

[jvan1973]

4 minutes ago, dudley dawson said:

You missed the word "respectable". lol

No,  No I didn't.

[buccolts]

2 minutes ago, AZColt11 said:

This whole no info thing has me wondering if Irsay is waiting to talk to Saban since they are still in their season.  Not sure if that is bad or good but it makes me wonder.

 

Why Saban. There's plenty of other valid candidates still in season.

[AZColt11]

1 minute ago, buccolts said:

 

Why Saban. There's plenty of other valid candidates still in season.

No particular reason.  Just a hunch.

[jvan1973]

17 minutes ago, AZColt11 said:

No particular reason.  Just a hunch.

Based on what??

[Mr Coffee]

2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

 

 

Irsay  wants him for his football intelligence,  not his experience in Papa John's commercials

This made me laugh out loud for some reason.

[AZColt11]

1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:

Based on what??

My enormous gut.  LOL

[John Waylon]

I am pretty disheartened by the Grigson/Pagano era. I think we can do better. Since they are staying I just hope they grow as GM/Coaches and do a better job. That said I just haven't seen enough there to say I feel confident "personally" to think they will get this thing turned around. For me staying the course is great for consistency but if the course is headed to Greenland and not a beautiful island in the carribean then well I'd rather us weather some storms and get this thing turned around even if we have a to hire a new captain.

 

For my money I think Bird has done ok...had his share of hits and misses...in a small market like Indiana in basketball his job is much more difficult but overall he puts a good product on the court. I'm sure with Manning we could do the same. The learning curve might be a little rough for a bit but in the end I trust his judgement of talent and what it takes to win. If he gets a front office job I won't complain.

You have no clue if they are staying or not.

Irsay said no changes.

There have been no changes.

If that doesn't draw a precise map to what exactly is going on then I'm not sure there are enough crayons left in the box to explain it to you.

There is literally no reason for Irsay to repeat what he already stated just a couple weeks ago.

"Don't call us, we'll call you."

Are people seriously gonna carry this on until Irsay comes out to hold your hand to cross the finish line?

What if he decides to never reiterate what he's already said? Is this % still gonna be a topic in training camp? September? "Well he never said..."

Jesus. Get a grip people.

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[Coltfreak]

43 minutes ago, John Waylon said:

Irsay said no changes.

There have been no changes.

If that doesn't draw a precise map to what exactly is going on then I'm not sure there are enough crayons left in the box to explain it to you.

There is literally no reason for Irsay to repeat what he already stated just a couple weeks ago.

"Don't call us, we'll call you."

Are people seriously gonna carry this on until Irsay comes out to hold your hand to cross the finish line?

What if he decides to never reiterate what he's already said? Is this % still gonna be a topic in training camp? September? "Well he never said..."

Jesus. Get a grip people.

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 But now if he does change his mind you are gonna look pretty silly after this post

[John Waylon]

Irsay said no changes.

There have been no changes.

If that doesn't draw a precise map to what exactly is going on then I'm not sure there are enough crayons left in the box to explain it to you.

There is literally no reason for Irsay to repeat what he already stated just a couple weeks ago.

"Don't call us, we'll call you."

Are people seriously gonna carry this on until Irsay comes out to hold your hand to cross the finish line?

What if he decides to never reiterate what he's already said? Is this % still gonna be a topic in training camp? September? "Well he never said..."

Jesus. Get a grip people.

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 But now if he does change his mind you are gonna look pretty silly after this post

I'll double down and take my chances.

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[Myles]

12 hours ago, dgambill said:

 

 

For my money I think Bird has done ok...had his share of hits and misses...in a small market like Indiana in basketball his job is much more difficult but overall he puts a good product on the court. I'm sure with Manning we could do the same. The learning curve might be a little rough for a bit but in the end I trust his judgement of talent and what it takes to win. If he gets a front office job I won't complain.

I think he has done OK too.  I thought the offseason moves he made last year were great.   I thought the team would be much better than they are playing now. 

In the NBA, it's hard to build a great team in a small market that doesn't attract top level free agents.  It's also tough when you win 35+ games every season.   It's pretty rare when great players fall to the 20+ draft positions.   Last time the Pacers had a top 10 pick they got Paul George.   Last time they had a top 5 pick they got Rik Smits.   Lots of teams that are good have a top 5 pick in their recent past.   

[deedub75]

JMV said yesterday that Peyton didn't feel ready but there was mutual interest. 

[1959Colts]

Jim Irsay should hand the keys to Peyton Manning

[presto123]

8 hours ago, deedub75 said:

JMV said yesterday that Peyton didn't feel ready but there was mutual interest. 

 

 There are also rumors out there that Manning wanted partial ownership. Don't know if I can see that. I mean, how much money do you need after a while? haha.

[GoColts8818]

I can see why Irsay would turn down Peyton if Peyton was asking for a stake in ownership.  That makes it nearly impossible for replace Peyton one day if he's not successful and that's a ridiculous thing to give to any first time GM even if he is the biggest star in that franchise's history. 

 

Also based on what's being reported here I think Irsay wanted Peyton and it doesn't look like that is going to happen so he's now working on plan B whatever that might be which is why we still haven't heard from Irsay. 

[oldunclemark]

10 hours ago, deedub75 said:

JMV said yesterday that Peyton didn't feel ready but there was mutual interest. 

Is it fair to ask how would JMV know this?

 

..who else would be in the room?

[jameszeigler834]

19 hours ago, John Waylon said:

Irsay said no changes.

There have been no changes.

If that doesn't draw a precise map to what exactly is going on then I'm not sure there are enough crayons left in the box to explain it to you.

There is literally no reason for Irsay to repeat what he already stated just a couple weeks ago.

"Don't call us, we'll call you."

Are people seriously gonna carry this on until Irsay comes out to hold your hand to cross the finish line?

What if he decides to never reiterate what he's already said? Is this % still gonna be a topic in training camp? September? "Well he never said..."

Jesus. Get a grip people.

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Well all that means is this team will be lousy again next season we are not winning anything with pags and grigs in charge it just isn't happening period.

[oldunclemark]

we weren't lousy this season, were we?

[jvan1973]

20 minutes ago, jameszeigler834 said:

Well all that means is this team will be lousy again next season we are not winning anything with pags and grigs in charge it just isn't happening period.

Heard the same thing about dungy

[jshipp23]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

Heard the same thing about dungy

Dungy was overrated too..Manning ran that show..

[corgi]

2 hours ago, presto123 said:

 

 There are also rumors out there that Manning wanted partial ownership. Don't know if I can see that. I mean, how much money do you need after a while? haha.

Brad Wells came up with that theory on his podcast. He said Irsay should offer Manning minority ownership. Then Wells "reported" Irsay didn't want to give that up, he then followed that up by reporting he (Wells) was headed out to buy cat food. But hey, the former blogger who lives in Vancouver has a source!

[corgi]

6 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Heard the same thing about dungy

Manning can't win the big games.

[jvan1973]

5 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

Dungy was overrated too..Manning ran that show..

No,  No he didn't.     He had a lot of pull,  No question.   But dungy was in charge

[jshipp23]

3 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

No,  No he didn't.     He had a lot of pull,  No question.   But dungy was in charge

Dungy was a good coach I'm not denying that just saying he was overrated,  but I'd take him in a heartbeat over Pagano..I'm just saying Peyton would make a lot of coaches look good...Ask John Fox..

[CF4L]

Just now, jshipp23 said:

Dungy was a good coach I'm not denying that just saying he os overrated,  but I'd take him in a heartbeat over Pagano..I'm just saying Peyton would make a lot of coaches look good...Ask John Fox..

 

John Fox got to an SB with Jake Delhomme as a QB 

 

I think Kubiak might be a better argument. Even at his advanced age the Broncos offense managed to look more inept after Manning retired.

[corgi]

4 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

Dungy was a good coach I'm not denying that just saying he os overrated,  but I'd take him in a heartbeat over Pagano..I'm just saying Peyton would make a lot of coaches look good...Ask John Fox..

Didn't Fox go to a Superbowl with Jake Delhomme?

[jvan1973]

Just now, jshipp23 said:

Dungy was a good coach I'm not denying that just saying he os overrated,  but I'd take him in a heartbeat over Pagano..I'm just saying Peyton would make a lot of coaches look good...Ask John Fox..

Of course a great qb makes a coach look good.   

[Superman]

Just now, corgi said:

Didn't Fox go to a Suowrbowl with Jake Delhomme?

 

Delhomme was above average for about 20 minutes.

 

They also had a great rushing attack. 

[jshipp23]

1 minute ago, CF4L said:

 

John Fox got to an SB with Jake Delhomme as a QB 

 

I think Kubiak might be a better argument. Even at his advanced age the Broncos offense managed to look more inept after Manning retired.

Kubiak should thank Wade Philips..

[jshipp23]

1 minute ago, corgi said:

Didn't Fox go to a Suowrbowl with Jake Delhomme?

Delhomme was actually a very good QB,  even an all-pro at 1 time..They had a great defense and running game too..Ask Chicago Bears how good Fox is..

[corgi]

14 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

Delhomme was actually a very good QB,  even an all-pro at 1 time..They had a great defense and running game too..Ask Chicago Bears how good Fox is..

The Bears would have been bad this year if Belichick were head coach.

[Bigbadbill]

9 minutes ago, corgi said:

The Bears would have been bad this year if Belichick were head coach.

Not that bad.....