ThaCaliColt Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 8 hours ago, jshipp23 said: Colts need a proven coach who will have the players RESPECT...These are my top choices. .. 1-Bill Cowher, will change the culture and bring the toughness we have been lacking for years... 2-John Gruden , will do wonders with Luck's progression. ... 3-Jim Harbaugh, would b my #1 choice and the perfect coach , but it's a long shot he will leave Michigan...Throw 10 million a yr at him and gm and hc and u never know.......... 4- Herm Edwards, has had success without having a qb, give him Andrew Luck and see what he can do...I guarantee the players will run through a wall for him and be accountable. .He is my dark horse and possibly the best choice.... 5- Hue Jackson, love his offensive philosophy, get a good DC and he could very well turn us into a juggernaut. ... The first three candidates you listed sound great. I'm not totally confident in Herm Edwards personally. I do like Hue Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csmopar Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 8 hours ago, jshipp23 said: Colts need a proven coach who will have the players RESPECT...These are my top choices. .. 1-Bill Cowher, will change the culture and bring the toughness we have been lacking for years... 2-John Gruden , will do wonders with Luck's progression. ... 3-Jim Harbaugh, would b my #1 choice and the perfect coach , but it's a long shot he will leave Michigan...Throw 10 million a yr at him and gm and hc and u never know.......... 4- Herm Edwards, has had success without having a qb, give him Andrew Luck and see what he can do...I guarantee the players will run through a wall for him and be accountable. .He is my dark horse and possibly the best choice.... 5- Hue Jackson, love his offensive philosophy, get a good DC and he could very well turn us into a juggernaut. ... Josh Mc Daniels.... I said it one more time...now what No I don't want him as coach... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 3 minutes ago, csmopar said: Josh Mc Daniels.... I said it one more time...now what No I don't want him as coach... I wouldn't be upset. Nervous, but not upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwing BBZ Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 8 hours ago, jshipp23 said: Colts need a proven coach who will have the players RESPECT...These are my top choices. .. 1-Bill Cowher, will change the culture and bring the toughness we have been lacking for years... 2-John Gruden , will do wonders with Luck's progression. ... 3-Jim Harbaugh, would b my #1 choice and the perfect coach , but it's a long shot he will leave Michigan...Throw 10 million a yr at him and gm and hc and u never know.......... 4- Herm Edwards, has had success without having a qb, give him Andrew Luck and see what he can do...I guarantee the players will run through a wall for him and be accountable. .He is my dark horse and possibly the best choice.... 5- Hue Jackson, love his offensive philosophy, get a good DC and he could very well turn us into a juggernaut. ... So Bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViriLudant Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 2 hours ago, jshipp23 said: Peyton is a different animal though... Evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffensivelyPC Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I hope we get the most animated coach in the history of the NFL and miss the playoffs. Just so I can use that every time someone says what amounts to, "If we got a fiery coach, we would be instantly better." It would be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Well. This topic certainly spiraled quickly out of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeedrinker Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I don't buy into the notion that just because a team loses they are soft. The Colts have shown signs of being as tough as any team. I think pagano was a good coach for a team in transition. I do think a new coach is needed to take them to the next level but not because the Colts are soft or any such nonsense just because I don't think Pagano is enough of a tactician to lead the team to continued success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 50 minutes ago, John Waylon said: Well. This topic certainly spiraled quickly out of control. Started with the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 8 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said: I don't buy into the notion that just because a team loses they are soft. The Colts have shown signs of being as tough as any team. I think pagano was a good coach for a team in transition. I do think a new coach is needed to take them to the next level but not because the Colts are soft or any such nonsense just because I don't think Pagano is enough of a tactician to lead the team to continued success. You're probably right about that. Plenty of ways to defend Pagano, but if you asked me whether I think he can coach with the likes of Pete Carroll, Sean Payton, John Harbaugh, etc., even Mike Tomlin, I have to say no. Even Bruce Arians, for as much as I dislike his offensive play calling, tactically, he's proven to be better than Pagano (for instance, his first game taking over for Pagano, he deduced that we should go up tempo and let Luck run the show, and that decision paid dividends). Ron Rivera was a dud at first, but made a significant shift in his approach, and has since looked like a winning coach. Pagano is probably better compared to guys like John Fox, Jason Garrett, Rex Ryan, Lovie Smith, Jeff Fisher, etc. Not bad coaches, but trend toward being too conservative and haven't adjusted to new trends in the NFL. Pagano at least showed some willingness to loosen up on fourth down and try to steal some possessions. Oh well, I do think Pagano turned out to be good for the turnaround. Better than I thought he would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeedrinker Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 12 minutes ago, Superman said: You're probably right about that. Plenty of ways to defend Pagano, but if you asked me whether I think he can coach with the likes of Pete Carroll, Sean Payton, John Harbaugh, etc., even Mike Tomlin, I have to say no. Even Bruce Arians, for as much as I dislike his offensive play calling, tactically, he's proven to be better than Pagano (for instance, his first game taking over for Pagano, he deduced that we should go up tempo and let Luck run the show, and that decision paid dividends). Ron Rivera was a dud at first, but made a significant shift in his approach, and has since looked like a winning coach. Pagano is probably better compared to guys like John Fox, Jason Garrett, Rex Ryan, Lovie Smith, Jeff Fisher, etc. Not bad coaches, but trend toward being too conservative and haven't adjusted to new trends in the NFL. Pagano at least showed some willingness to loosen up on fourth down and try to steal some possessions. Oh well, I do think Pagano turned out to be good for the turnaround. Better than I thought he would be. I don't dislike Pagano at all. And he has helped orchestrate some of the best comeback victories in Colts history. I like him about as much as I did Jim Mora. Good coach but has some flaws that I don't think he can overcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I have so many reservations about any Belichick assistant, but I'd rather have either of them than Herm Edwards, Jon Gruden or Bill Cowher. What a bad post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 1 hour ago, Coffeedrinker said: I don't buy into the notion that just because a team loses they are soft. The Colts have shown signs of being as tough as any team. I think pagano was a good coach for a team in transition. I do think a new coach is needed to take them to the next level but not because the Colts are soft or any such nonsense just because I don't think Pagano is enough of a tactician to lead the team to continued success. Really good post. It'll probably get lost, but wanted to let you know that I saw it, I read it, and I liked it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I think Edwards and Cowher are enjoying retirement. Meaning, it's a younger person's game... they've made their money, and now they're making good money for doing simple, easy work -- giving their opinion. Otherwise, they don't have to do anything. Coaching in the NFL is 24/7/365. I think Gruden would jump back in, but only for the right team. I think Indy would interest him, but I'm not sure about all the conditions he'd want to come out of the broadcast booth where he is said to make a boat load of $$$$$!! Serious bank. I've read $5-6 Mill per.... I think he only comes back if he gets everything he wants. Not sure if that's what we want......... Oh, and welcome back to my old friend, JShipp!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jshipp23 Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 22 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said: I think Edwards and Cowher are enjoying retirement. Meaning, it's a younger person's game... they've made their money, and now they're making good money for doing simple, easy work -- giving their opinion. Otherwise, they don't have to do anything. Coaching in the NFL is 24/7/365. I think Gruden would jump back in, but only for the right team. I think Indy would interest him, but I'm not sure about all the conditions he'd want to come out of the broadcast booth where he is said to make a boat load of $$$$$!! Serious bank. I've read $5-6 Mill per.... I think he only comes back if he gets everything he wants. Not sure if that's what we want......... Oh, and welcome back to my old friend, JShipp!! You are one of my favorites ncf, I don't always agree with you, but I agree a lot of the time...BTW espn 30 for 30 is great, good work man saw the one abt the Colorado qb who died of cancer, it was tremendous. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaAllDay757 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I would nominate jim's brother john if he would get the boot from baltimore I know he would have that defense right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennymoore24 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I think a very, very long shot, but an interesting combo would be Jim Harbaugh as coach with say over personnel and Peyton Manning brought in an administrative role similar to Elway in Denver. Harbaugh is my #1 choice for coach for many reasons. He is a proven winner, he knows Luck, he is in the Colts Ring Of Honor, and he calls a good game. He is not retreat who flamed out. He is intense, but so was Lombardi and Shula. And Peyton is a Colts legend who likely will be great at anything he does because of his commitment and intensity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 9 hours ago, VaAllDay757 said: I would nominate jim's brother john if he would get the boot from baltimore I know he would have that defense right How would he get the defense right? I like Harbaugh, but Ozzie has been the key to that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superrep1967 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 23 hours ago, jshipp23 said: Colts need a proven coach who will have the players RESPECT...These are my top choices. .. 1-Bill Cowher, will change the culture and bring the toughness we have been lacking for years... 2-John Gruden , will do wonders with Luck's progression. ... 3-Jim Harbaugh, would b my #1 choice and the perfect coach , but it's a long shot he will leave Michigan...Throw 10 million a yr at him and gm and hc and u never know.......... 4- Herm Edwards, has had success without having a qb, give him Andrew Luck and see what he can do...I guarantee the players will run through a wall for him and be accountable. .He is my dark horse and possibly the best choice.... 5- Hue Jackson, love his offensive philosophy, get a good DC and he could very well turn us into a juggernaut. ... I agreed with you whole hardly until you mentioned Herm and Hue Jackson then you lost me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superrep1967 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 8 hours ago, lennymoore24 said: I think a very, very long shot, but an interesting combo would be Jim Harbaugh as coach with say over personnel and Peyton Manning brought in an administrative role similar to Elway in Denver. Harbaugh is my #1 choice for coach for many reasons. He is a proven winner, he knows Luck, he is in the Colts Ring Of Honor, and he calls a good game. He is not retreat who flamed out. He is intense, but so was Lombardi and Shula. And Peyton is a Colts legend who likely will be great at anything he does because of his commitment and intensity. I think Peyton will want to stay home and raise his son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeedrinker Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 13 hours ago, NewColtsFan said: I think Edwards and Cowher are enjoying retirement. Meaning, it's a younger person's game... they've made their money, and now they're making good money for doing simple, easy work -- giving their opinion. Otherwise, they don't have to do anything. Coaching in the NFL is 24/7/365. I think Gruden would jump back in, but only for the right team. I think Indy would interest him, but I'm not sure about all the conditions he'd want to come out of the broadcast booth where he is said to make a boat load of $$$$$!! Serious bank. I've read $5-6 Mill per.... I think he only comes back if he gets everything he wants. Not sure if that's what we want......... Oh, and welcome back to my old friend, JShipp!! I think the only reason a coach like Cowher would consider it, is not for the money but for the legacy. This is a guy that built winning teams with guys like Kordell Stewart and Mike Tomzack(sp?) at the QB position. With a QB like Luck and his previous success in Pittsburgh he would be thinking about becoming known as one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jshipp23 Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 1 hour ago, superrep1967 said: I agreed with you whole hardly until you mentioned Herm and Hue Jackson then you lost me. I understand Herm, bit I like hue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 1 hour ago, superrep1967 said: I think Peyton will want to stay home and raise his son. How about his daughter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jshipp23 Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 18 hours ago, jvan1973 said: He isn't leaving michigan Money talks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 15 minutes ago, jshipp23 said: Money talks Not in this case. He wouldn't burn the bridge to his alma matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 1 hour ago, superrep1967 said: I think Peyton will want to stay home and raise his son. He could be doing that now. Plus, that's what Moms are for. i kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jshipp23 Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 20 hours ago, jvan1973 said: He isn't leaving michigan Money talks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim H. Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 On 12/22/2015 at 11:41 AM, CoachLite said: Yes. You don't want a HC that has never failed, but one smart enough to learn from his mistakes. Gruden seems like "he gets it". What "it" is, is the important part. Sorry. I can't help but replay some of his never-ending TV commentary in my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 On 12/22/2015 at 11:41 AM, CoachLite said: Yes. You don't want a HC that has never failed, but one smart enough to learn from his mistakes. Gruden seems like "he gets it". What "it" is, is the important part. What is "it" exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jszfunk Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Neither one of those guys are coming out. They would have by now. But why would they? The are still involved in the sport, making good money, and no headaches. I am not sure why people keep bringing these guys up. Gruden talks a "sexy " game, but he had a mediocre record at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somewhere ovr the Waynebow Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Say Peyton Manning one more time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jshipp23 Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 15 hours ago, Somewhere ovr the Waynebow said: Say Peyton Manning one more time... Peyton Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViriLudant Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 19 hours ago, jshipp23 said: Money talks Jim loves his alma mater. He's not leaving for at least 2-3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaAllDay757 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 23 hours ago, BOTT said: How would he get the defense right? I like Harbaugh, but Ozzie has been the key to that team. They have some great players but the have a much better scheme and their secondary isn't all that but the front 7 makes up for that and john knows how to coach them up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Superman Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Herm Edwards? Lay off the Eggnog my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 2 hours ago, VaAllDay757 said: They have some great players but the have a much better scheme and their secondary isn't all that but the front 7 makes up for that and john knows how to coach them up I'm not sure how you give that credit to Harbaugh. He was more of a special teams coach than anything else before going to the Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaAllDay757 Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 10 hours ago, BOTT said: I'm not sure how you give that credit to Harbaugh. He was more of a special teams coach than anything else before going to the Ravens. I guess you haven't watched baltimore that much....he didn't have the best coordinators.....caldwell, ozzie, chuck......who's suppose to get the credit then? Because that team is well coach by the head coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defjamz26 Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I'll tell you one thing. The one coach that could fix Luck's flaws and make him the best QB in the NFL is Gruden. Sean Peyton could probably get the best out of him too but he would reach new heights with Gruden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 18 minutes ago, VaAllDay757 said: I guess you haven't watched baltimore that much....he didn't have the best coordinators.....caldwell, ozzie, chuck......who's suppose to get the credit then? Because that team is well coach by the head coach ok lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReMeDy Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 On 12/22/2015 at 11:10 AM, jvan1973 said: Most great players are terrible coaches Yea I was going to say, if Peyton is supposedly such a good coach, why was Curtis Painter so atrocious? Jim Sorgi wasn't much better. I know he wasn't paid to coach, but did he seriously not have anything to offer those players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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