C0lts088 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Harrison will get the start against the Falcons, Holmes will be benched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesjan3 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 source please and by benched do you mean still injured or healthy scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0lts088 Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 He's been healthy apparently but colts sticking with Harrison. http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/14728/colts-sticking-with-jonotthan-harrison-as-their-starting-center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcolt Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Harrison has a higher ceiling hopefully he can put it together. Mewhort Harrison Thorton is our strongest run blocking interior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesjan3 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I don't mind Harrisson as a starter, he is a much better run blocker than Holmes, but I believe Holmes is better in the game management and pass blocking. I like the decision to stick with Harrison only if Pagano sticks with his plan of keeping him in, at least the rest of the season, see what he can do over a critical stretch of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0lts088 Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 I don't mind Harrisson as a starter, he is a much better run blocker than Holmes, but I believe Holmes is better in the game management and pass blocking. I like the decision to stick with Harrison only if Pagano sticks with his plan of keeping him in, at least the rest of the season, see what he can do over a critical stretch of the seasonThat's what I'm skeptical off; I wonder if this is a pagano or grigson move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucklez Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 This stinks of Grigson meddling.... Holmes wasnt playing amazingly, but he wasnt playing terribly either.... Too much shifting on the O-line still.... Any O-line player will tell you the importance of continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GwinnettColt Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 It could be either. Holmes could be the new AQ Shipley, better than the starter and benched anyway or Harrison could improve. To me, he isn't terrible but he snaps the ball too high and plays as if he can't calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnelson Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 <snip>Too much shifting on the O-line still.... Any O-line player will tell you the importance of continuity. Maybe that is the point. Harrison HAS been playing. He played the last two games. Maybe putting Holmes back in the mix was considered bad for the continuity they've been building. Putting Holmes in would have been a step backwards for a line that has been coming together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 He sucks to me until he can quite blowing up every other play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo2004 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 We keep flip flopping between these two guys. Always worry about bad snaps with Harrison though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucklez Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Maybe that is the point. Harrison HAS been playing. He played the last two games. Maybe putting Holmes back in the mix was considered bad for the continuity they've been building. Putting Holmes in would have been a step backwards for a line that has been coming together?You've got to think long term. Harrison has butter fingers and has buckled under pressure before... When healthy, Holmes has actually played well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theanarchist Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Harrison has had some shotgun snap issues for sure. Neither one of em is what I would call a great choice at this point but niether one is terrible either. Personally I dont feel strong either way. If the coaching staff feels that he's the better choice then I'll go with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwing BBZ Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I don't mind Harrisson as a starter, he is a much better run blocker than Holmes, but I believe Holmes is better in the game management and pass blocking. I like the decision to stick with Harrison only if Pagano sticks with his plan of keeping him in, at least the rest of the season, see what he can do over a critical stretch of the season I believe someone posted here recently that Holmes is the worst rated pass blocking center of all thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bap1331 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I don't mind Harrisson as a starter, he is a much better run blocker than Holmes, but I believe Holmes is better in the game management and pass blocking. I like the decision to stick with Harrison only if Pagano sticks with his plan of keeping him in, at least the rest of the season, see what he can do over a critical stretch of the seasonWell we will be depending more on the running for now. It's gonna be more balanced with luck out. I'm guessing that's the reasoning behind the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterBowman Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Harrison's issues were never physical they were mental and it's looking like he's getting that under control....other than that one slick snap against Carolina. I don't really remember him getting beat physically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeDown Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Harrison probably worked with Hasselback on 2nd team anyway, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougDew Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 This stinks of Grigson meddling.... Because he replaced a guy that he drafted with a guy he signed as a UDFA......obviously he favors one over the other, and he obviously favors the one that Pagano doesn't. We have to think that, or else how would it support our conclusion that there is a rift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twfish Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Wow. I swear some of you have got to be really trying to blame everything on Grigson or trying to point out some friction that's probably not there. Holmes played decent and got injured so Harrison came in and has played a little better than Holmes so there sticking with the hot hand, isn't that what your normally supposed to do? For me I like Holmes more but I beleive they both have about the same ceiling wich isn't all that high but they will work until we can find a better one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcolt Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Holmrs is terrible I would hope the decision was made by the OLine coach and Chud.Harrison has the potential to hold that spot down. He's snaps have been much better. The only oops I remember was early vs Carolina bad weather played a part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horse Shoe Heaven Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Harrison played well role with the hot hand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zibby43 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Harrison has played well. Dude is a straight-up mauler. His ceiling is very, very high. And, IIRCC, he has only had 1 poor snap this season and that was in the pouring rain @ Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcolt Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I could see Castanzo Mewhort Harrison Thorton turning into a solid OL over the second half of the season. Sign Mitchell Swartz away from the Browns to play RT in the offseason. He's going to cost. It's free agency but I don't think anyone would be upset with Grigs for spending on the O line. Focus on D in the first 2 days of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defjamz26 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Neither one of them is "great" though. Holmes is steady and adequate but can perform terribly some times. Harrison has performed terribly in most of his time hear but it's about his potential.It's not a significant change if Harrison can snap the ball well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeedrinker Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Harrison has not played well. He was responsible for at least 5 full speed hits on Luck in the Denver game. Nor is his ceiling very high, he's strong but he does not move well, he's slow to disengage, he lacks awareness of his area and he over commits when doubling and gets himself out of position and he does not understand defenses well enough to adjust protection on the outsides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will426 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Harrison has not played well. He was responsible for at least 5 full speed hits on Luck in the Denver game. Nor is his ceiling very high, he's strong but he does not move well, he's slow to disengage, he lacks awareness of his area and he over commits when doubling and gets himself out of position and he does not understand defenses well enough to adjust protection on the outsides. I've noticed that too they're both weak in one area. Holmes Isn't as strong but his protection calls are awesome. Harrison is strictly strength and struggles with the mental game and also snapping the ball on shotgun which I think might be easy as hell. Seems like he's looking at the qb rather than looking forward when snapping in shotgun afraid of being overpowered on the snap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeedrinker Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I've noticed that too they're both weak in one area. Holmes Isn't as strong but his protection calls are awesome. Harrison is strictly strength and struggles with the mental game and also snapping the ball on shotgun which I think might be easy as hell. Seems like he's looking at the qb rather than looking forward when snapping in shotgun afraid of being overpowered on the snapHolmes needs to improve his strength but I disagree that Harrison is only weak in one area... I think Harrison is a horrible center and I was surprised he made it as part of the 53 man roster after the preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I think you are splitting hairs when picking between Holmes and Harrison and neither has been a "good" option which is why they keep flip flopping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennymoore24 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I think Holmes is a far better center and a mistake to replace him with Harrison. Holmes is not as strong, but much smarter and better technique. Harrison is a mauler but has slow feet that I doubt he will ever get better at. He will always have problems with A gap blitz and quick Dlineman. I get tired of this back and forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douzer Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Harrison > Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird95 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Holmes is a wimp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I say start Jeff Saturday, that will solve the problem. He looks like he is in awesome shape . Between Harrison and Holmes, I think since Luck is out it's better to start Harrison. He is stronger and a better Run Blocker. I think the Colts will run the ball more without Luck in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I say start Jeff Saturday, that will solve the problem. He looks like he is in awesome shape . Between Harrison and Holmes, I think since Luck is out it's better to start Harrison. He is stronger and a better Run Blocker. I think the Colts will run the ball more without Luck in.Well, Chud ran the ball 39 times with Luck in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Well, Chud ran the ball 39 times with Luck in there.Very true. Great point. I pretty much expect the same today unless we fall way behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I didn't see Harrison looking better. I've seen Harrison just get blown up by one guy way to many times. I think our run game has looked better with Holmes. Can you guys/gals recall Holmes getting blown up as much as Harrison? Maybe I'm just over critical on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will426 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I didn't see Harrison looking better. I've seen Harrison just get blown up by one guy way to many times. I think our run game has looked better with Holmes. Can you guys/gals recall Holmes getting blown up as much as Harrison? Maybe I'm just over critical on him? he hasn't his pass protection and his calls are better he just lacks the strength in the run game that's his biggest issue but that's still better than Harrison cuz you always have to worry about him potentially throwing the ball over the qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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