Manning1887 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 There is a new mock draft available via SB Nation that has Landon Collins falling to the Colts. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2015/3/16/8219223/2015-nfl-mock-draft-free-agency While this mock draft is hardly definitive of what may transpire, I am curious if anyone is aware of reports of Collins' draft stock falling? It appears that questions about his coverage ability are the biggest knock against him, but given some of the premium deals the free agent safeties have received this offseason (see Ron Parker Chiefs) I would imagine teams might overdraft safeties (and defensive backs generally). Safety is obviously one of our biggest needs in the draft, and while I am generally hesitant to trade up, it may make sense to trade up in the first and giving up our 2nd or 3rd round pick to land a potentially marquee safety in Collins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everyone Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR91 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 id be fine with collins armstead or Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityIsLuck Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 He'd have to fall through KC, PIT, and PHI so it's somewhat of a strech but oh boy if he did I'd be ecstatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 No. He's not falling to 29. The odds are pushing zero. Even if he's average in pass coverage, he's excellent in run support, and he's the #1 safety overall. Landon Collins to the Colts is not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Jaquiski Tartt of Samford, what do you guys think of him? At 6'1", 221 lbs, he fits the strong safety profile and with Pagano's coaching, I feel he can become the next Kam Chancellor that hits aggressively. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1761394/jaquiski-tartt Thoughts??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano1818 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I doubt he falls to us....... or...... EVERY mock draft (except one) that I have seen are WRONG...... ... but... anything is possible...... I get this "feeling" that the Colts are going with the Safeties at hand...... and they MIGHT address it in round 4 on...... (For a later Adams replacement, and current STs, and depth) At some point, you cant fill EVERY hole with FA or immediate draft....... you have to have some drafted players or UDFA, from last year, or the year before step it up. I cant envision any situation where the Colts do anything in the first, but bolster the enormous holes in the front 7 on defense....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Superman Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Collins won't fall to us.. It's just not realistic. He's going top 20 for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I hope not. People never learn man. If you're ever in need of a good laugh, just remember the time a professional football team actually used a top 10 pick on Mark Barron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckColt Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 There is a new mock draft available via SB Nation that has Landon Collins falling to the Colts. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2015/3/16/8219223/2015-nfl-mock-draft-free-agency While this mock draft is hardly definitive of what may transpire, I am curious if anyone is aware of reports of Collins' draft stock falling? It appears that questions about his coverage ability are the biggest knock against him, but given some of the premium deals the free agent safeties have received this offseason (see Ron Parker Chiefs) I would imagine teams might overdraft safeties (and defensive backs generally). Safety is obviously one of our biggest needs in the draft, and while I am generally hesitant to trade up, it may make sense to trade up in the first and giving up our 2nd or 3rd round pick to land a potentially marquee safety in Collins. I saw another mock on WalterFootball that had him falling to us at #29.This may not be great news tho. The concern is his ability in pass coverage...he has been torched by a couple of teams.He might be a young LaRon Landry...great against the run, not so great against the pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peytonator Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 He fits the bill perfectly as the kind of safety you do NOT want to draft in the first round of a draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Landon Collins isn't falling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Jaquiski Tartt of Samford, what do you guys think of him? At 6'1", 221 lbs, he fits the strong safety profile and with Pagano's coaching, I feel he can become the next Kam Chancellor that hits aggressively. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1761394/jaquiski-tartt Thoughts??? I think everybody likes Tartt. I'd want to ease him into the lineup, though; not sure he's ready to cover in the NFL yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 So.... I stumbled into a "post free agency mock draft" put out today by SB Nation and who do they have the Colts taking...... Yup.... Landon Collins. OK..... http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2015/3/16/8219223/2015-nfl-mock-draft-free-agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manning1887 Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 I think everybody likes Tartt. I'd want to ease him into the lineup, though; not sure he's ready to cover in the NFL yet. The knock on Tartt is that he struggles in coverage as well. He is more raw than Collins from a technical standpoint. Plus, he may not be available for us in the 3rd round. I still like Eric Rowe at safety. I have not heard much about his draft stock lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Don't want him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKColt13 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Mark Barron 2.0 No thanks. DL needs to be the 1st pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manning1887 Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 Interesting piece on Bleacher Report http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2399005-will-the-safety-starved-nfl-overdraft-landon-collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 May I ask why everyone is so down on Collins? I watched a few bama games this year, and he looked good. Is there something I'm missing? Why don't we want this guy on our football team? EDIT: I'm watching some video on him. He appears to be very impatient. He doesn't want to wait, needs to be right in the action. Those are just his football instincts, and could be easily coached otherwise. He looks good in coverage, that's a plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltsfanatic24 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I doubt it but he can't cover. I prefer a player in the front 7 in the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colts_Fan12 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Who cares he isn't good hope he goes way before us so Grigs can't take himWould also hope Grigs wouldn't blow our 1st on a S that can't cover when he could get a player to help the Dline that needs a ton of help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyP Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 There is a new mock draft available via SB Nation that has Landon Collins falling to the Colts. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2015/3/16/8219223/2015-nfl-mock-draft-free-agency While this mock draft is hardly definitive of what may transpire, I am curious if anyone is aware of reports of Collins' draft stock falling? It appears that questions about his coverage ability are the biggest knock against him, but given some of the premium deals the free agent safeties have received this offseason (see Ron Parker Chiefs) I would imagine teams might overdraft safeties (and defensive backs generally). Safety is obviously one of our biggest needs in the draft, and while I am generally hesitant to trade up, it may make sense to trade up in the first and giving up our 2nd or 3rd round pick to land a potentially marquee safety in Collins. Even if he does fall to us, we need to pass on him. ......we badly need interior DL help. .....I'm hoping for Goldman or Brown...although Brown seems unlikely to fall. ....If Goldman is there, he's ours. ....I'll pass on Philips as well and take an OL, if Goldman or Brown are gone. ....Flowers or Erving woud be a nice consolation prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I just watched Landon Collins yesterday. I'm not sure why we don't like him, to be honest. He has range, size, toughness, he tackles well (an occasional miss, of course), he takes good angles in run support, and he has ball skills. I don't think he was tested a lot in coverage, so I can see why that's a concern, but I don't come away with the impression that he can't cover. I probably need to watch more of his film to have a well-formed opinion of his ability in coverage, but I wouldn't call it a liability at this point. I saw him flip and run with receivers several times. Worst thing I can say about him is that he is prone to playing too shallow when he's in deep coverage, but I think that's a technique/coaching issue, not an ability issue. And as far as coaching issues go, that's pretty easy to correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I just watched Landon Collins yesterday. I'm not sure why we don't like him, to be honest. He has range, size, toughness, he tackles well (an occasional miss, of course), he takes good angles in run support, and he has ball skills. I don't think he was tested a lot in coverage, so I can see why that's a concern, but I don't come away with the impression that he can't cover. I probably need to watch more of his film to have a well-formed opinion of his ability in coverage, but I wouldn't call it a liability at this point. I saw him flip and run with receivers several times. Worst thing I can say about him is that he is prone to playing too shallow when he's in deep coverage, but I think that's a technique/coaching issue, not an ability issue. And as far as coaching issues go, that's pretty easy to correct. He's also an Alabama DB, therefor he doesn't backpedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 He's just outside my top 30; so, even if he does fall to us, I expect something better to be available as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 He's also an Alabama DB, therefor he doesn't backpedal. Neither do our safeties. Even when they cover the slot, they usually give a cushion, then turn and run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Neither do our safeties. Even when they cover the slot, they usually give a cushion, then turn and run. Understood, but If I'm taking a safety in the first round, he's going to have position flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krunk Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think everybody likes Tartt. I'd want to ease him into the lineup, though; not sure he's ready to cover in the NFL yet. You're right, he does need a little bit of refinement and acclimation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Understood, but If I'm taking a safety in the first round, he's going to have position flexibility. You wanted Lamarcus Joyner, didn't you? College safeties generally can't cover like corners. Or at least they don't get the chance in college. You'd probably be better off converting a corner to safety. Josh Shaw and Jalen Collins seem like candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 You wanted Lamarcus Joyner, didn't you? College safeties generally can't cover like corners. Or at least they don't get the chance in college. You'd probably be better off converting a corner to safety. Josh Shaw and Jalen Collins seem like candidates. Yes I definitely wanted Joyner. And I'll take Ifo and move him to safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I'm confused as to why everyone wants to get ask these strong safeties. From what I've seen we don't have a true free safety, that's what we really need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Yes I definitely wanted Joyner. And I'll take Ifo and move him to safety. Ifo is too small. Same reason I didn't want Joyner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manning1887 Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 I'm confused as to why everyone wants to get ask these strong safeties. From what I've seen we don't have a true free safety, that's what we really need. My understanding is that we like our safeties to be interchangeable, so we do not have a true free safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 My understanding is that we like our safeties to be interchangeable, so we do not have a true free safety.Ugh...I'd rather have a true free safety. I don't like having a jack-of-all-trades position, leaves to much chance for then to get burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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