Harvey and Rayford

[Nesjan3]

All over the field the whole second half, didn't seem like the browns had an answer, looks like these two should be locked in as backups

[BronxColtNYC]

Do we have a spot for both? With the 4 mlbs, Mathis/Werner, Walden/Sidbury? Maybe no sidbury but 9 linebackers? Hmmm...

[arkana04]

Sidbury is a chance of getting cut i think. 

[coltsfanatic24]

Do we have a spot for both? With the 4 mlbs, Mathis/Werner, Walden/Sidbury? Maybe no sidbury but 9 linebackers? Hmmm...

Will keep 5 OLB's Mathis,Walden,Werner,Rayford,and Sidbury. Sidbury will make the team because of the money we paid him.

[BronxColtNYC]

Will keep 5 OLB's Mathis,Walden,Werner,Rayford,and Sidbury. Sidbury will make the team because of the money we paid him.

Harvey gets cut? Whatver happened to best player makes the team?

[Bluefire4]

Will keep 5 OLB's Mathis,Walden,Werner,Rayford,and Sidbury. Sidbury will make the team because of the money we paid him.

So that means we will have to get rid of Harvey. 

[coltsfanatic24]

Harvey gets cut? Whatver happened to best player makes the team?

We have too many ILB's if he clears waivers he'll be on practice squad.

[coltsfanatic24]

So that means we will have to get rid of Harvey. 

Yeah most likely

[Bluefire4]

I made up a 53 man roster where we keep 10 linebackers but we would only have 6 d lineman so i guess one linebacker has to go.

[BronxColtNYC]

I made up a 53 man roster where we keep 10 linebackers but we would only have 6 d lineman so i guess one linebacker has to go.

No way only 6 lineman. Not the way Matthews and Nevis been playing. Tough cuts coming.

[chrisfarley]

Do we have a spot for both? With the 4 mlbs, Mathis/Werner, Walden/Sidbury? Maybe no sidbury but 9 linebackers? Hmmm...

No

[Nesjan3]

Do we have a spot for both? With the 4 mlbs, Mathis/Werner, Walden/Sidbury? Maybe no sidbury but 9 linebackers? Hmmm...

man you are very right, damn! I was so excited about the way they both played I didn't even think of that. I havnt seen Sidbury do anything, is he inactive?

[Boiler_Colt]

I think Sidbury gets cut. He hasn't shown anything too impressive in the games he has played and his one year deal is for less than a million, not a huge loss. Harvey is great on special teams it'll suck to cut him but it may be a tough tough numbers game.

[cbear]

There is no way Rayford does not make this team.

[Smonroe]

All over the field the whole second half, didn't seem like the browns had an answer, looks like these two should be locked in as backups

Rayford should make the team, going to be tough for Harvey.

We have to remember that except for the first drive of the second half, they were playing against reserves.

[BOTT]

Will keep 5 OLB's Mathis,Walden,Werner,Rayford,and Sidbury. Sidbury will make the team because of the money we paid him.

I think Sidbury makes less than a million

[atapcl]

Harvey was one of the best ST players last year and will be hard to cut. I was hoping we could trade Conner and Angerer.

[BronxColtNYC]

Harvey was one of the best ST players last year and will be hard to cut. I was hoping we could trade Conner and Angerer.

Cut harnish, keep harvey

[atapcl]

Cut harnish, keep harvey

I think Harnish was headed for the PS anyway so Harvey has to beat out one of the ILBs.

[dw49]

I think Harnish was headed for the PS anyway so Harvey has to beat out one of the ILBs.

 

 

 

Yes.. Harnish will have zero to do with the LB that gets cut. I would think Harvey makes it and no way you in your right mind can cut Rayford. The guy has played lights out . So i guess that leaves Sidbury as the odd man out. At least he will probably have no problem finding another home.

[throwing BBZ]

Will keep 5 OLB's Mathis,Walden,Werner,Rayford,and Sidbury. Sidbury will make the team because of the money we paid him.

 

Sidbury is a Cap Hit of $65,000 I believe if he is not on the opening game roster and costs ($780,000) about $300,000 more than Harvey for the season. Sure liked Harvey in the Blitz. Is he becoming intuitive as a run stopper too?

[dw49]

I think Sidbury makes less than a million

 

 

I don't think the money will come into play here at all. I'm seeing a base salary of $715,000 ( Sidbury) and a signing bonus of $65,000. Says nothing about the base of 715K being guaranteed , thus the cap hit for cutting him would be the signing bonus amount of 65K. 

 

So the money factor in who gets cut is actually the other way around. 

 

Rayford cap hit is 405K 

Harvey cap hit is  480 K 

 

So add the 65K to Rayford's base of 405 and you get a savings of 715 K - 470 =  $245,000 if Raford makes the team and Sidbury doesn't

[BronxColtNYC]

I don't think the money will come into play here at all. I'm seeing a base salary of $715,000 ( Sidbury) and a signing bonus of $65,000. Says nothing about the base of 715K being guaranteed , thus the cap hit for cutting him would be the signing bonus amount of 65K.

So the money factor in who gets cut is actually the other way around.

Rayford cap hit is 405K

Harvey cap hit is 480 K

So add the 65K to Rayford's base of 405 and you get a savings of 715 K - 470 = $245,000 if Raford makes the team and Sidbury doesn't

Nerd!

[Ja'Crispy]

It's a great problem to have if you are forced to cut really good players. Rayford has to be a lock though.

[dw49]

Nerd!

 

 

Na... just math I would hope a 3rd grader could do. I might be a lot of things but not a nerd.

[BronxColtNYC]

Na... just math I would hope a 3rd grader could do. I might be a lot of things but not a nerd.

I work for an investment bank so I was just displacing frustration onto you.

[dw49]

I work for an investment bank so I was just displacing frustration onto you.

 

 

I didn't think you were actually calling me a nerd (in a bad way) , so I figured I would play along.

[BronxColtNYC]

I didn't think you were actually calling me a nerd (in a bad way) , so I figured I would play along.

Damn internet and its allergy to sarcasm.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Honestly what do you think are reasonable expectations for Caesar? Like team wise, stat wise, and how has his pass rushing technique looked? Any "moves" or just pure athletiscism?

[Superman]

I don't think the money will come into play here at all. I'm seeing a base salary of $715,000 ( Sidbury) and a signing bonus of $65,000. Says nothing about the base of 715K being guaranteed , thus the cap hit for cutting him would be the signing bonus amount of 65K. 

 

So the money factor in who gets cut is actually the other way around. 

 

Rayford cap hit is 405K 

Harvey cap hit is  480 K 

 

So add the 65K to Rayford's base of 405 and you get a savings of 715 K - 470 =  $245,000 if Raford makes the team and Sidbury doesn't

 

This.

 

So long as Sidbury's contract isn't guaranteed, I don't think his contract will be a factor come cut day. Rayford has clearly been better. Sidbury has been practically invisible. 

[NewColtsFan]

Will keep 5 OLB's Mathis,Walden,Werner,Rayford,and Sidbury. Sidbury will make the team because of the money we paid him.

 

No he won't.   Because we didn't pay him barely anything.

 

I think he got couch cushion money for a signing bonus, and his salary (which is non-guarenteed)  is roughly $750k,  more chump change.

 

So,  we can cut him and it will cost the Colts literally almost nothing.      That was the beauty of the deal...   potential upside, with almost zero downside.       The only way he makes the team is if he shows the talent.    Money will not be an issue.

[Jason_]

This.

So long as Sidbury's contract isn't guaranteed, I don't think his contract will be a factor come cut day. Rayford has clearly been better. Sidbury has been practically invisible.

Sudbury only played the first preseason game and I thought he made some good plays in that game. If his injury is a concern then I could see him being cut for that reason. Otherwise I wouldn't be surprised if he and rayford make the team and we simply carry 5 olbs

[Superman]

Sudbury only played the first preseason game and I thought he made some good plays in that game. If his injury is a concern then I could see him being cut for that reason. Otherwise I wouldn't be surprised if he and rayford make the team and we simply carry 5 olbs

 

I read somewhere today that he was hurt in the Giants game, so that explains why I haven't noticed him. And now we've IR'd him, so that's settled.

[NewColtsFan]

I don't think we'll see 10 linebackers on the final roster.    And, I don't think we'll see 10 DB's either....

 

As for the LB's....

 

OLB:

-- Mathis

-- Walden

-- Werner

-- Rayford

 

 

ILB:

-- Freeman

-- Angerer

-- Sheppard

-- Connor

-- Harvey

 

That's 9.    I think the question is do we really want to carry 5 Inside linebackers and only 4 outside linebackers.     My hunch is "no."    But I don't know who else on the outside we'd keep?    Hickman and Sidbury are both already hurt.

[Superman]

I don't think we'll see 10 linebackers on the final roster.    And, I don't think we'll see 10 DB's either....

 

As for the LB's....

 

OLB:

-- Mathis

-- Walden

-- Werner

-- Hickman

-- Rayford

 

 

ILB:

-- Freeman

-- Angerer

-- Sheppard

-- Connor

 

That's 9.    I suspect Harvey (especially since he's an Inside LB) is the odd man out.

 

I regret to inform you that Hickman is on IR. This would be my linebacker lineup also, if he was still healthy.

[NewColtsFan]

I regret to inform you that Hickman is on IR. This would be my linebacker lineup also, if he was still healthy.

 

Yeah....   after I posted I double checked and saw that too.   My regrets too.    I've adjusted my final 9....  I just don't know if I buy the idea of 4 OLB's and 5 ILB's??

[Gavin]

I read somewhere today that he was hurt in the Giants game, so that explains why I haven't noticed him. And now we've IR'd him, so that's settled.

Leaves room for another pass rusher or a 5th wr

[Superman]

Yeah....   after I posted I double checked and saw that too.   My regrets too.    I've adjusted my final 9....  I just don't know if I buy the idea of 4 OLB's and 5 ILB's??

 

I see Harvey as a kind of hybrid backer, so I think it's a similar lineup to having Hickman in there, though I think Hickman is better. But whoever that 9th linebacker is will be a special teams contributor, primarily, which Harvey is good at.

[dw49]

I see Harvey as a kind of hybrid backer, so I think it's a similar lineup to having Hickman in there, though I think Hickman is better. But whoever that 9th linebacker is will be a special teams contributor, primarily, which Harvey is good at.

 

 

Agree and I don't see any problem with carrying 9 LB's rather than 10.

[JoKeR]

I can't see Harvey or Rayford being cut for a player on IR with a 1 year deal.