Anybody Else Think Our D Might Be A Little "too" Specialist Based?

[Kenny]

Been bored and thinking, we have a lot of guys who are either run/pass "specialist" and are expected to do a lot of subbing and mixing/matching. Am I the only person who is just imagining us against the Peytons/Brady's who will instantly go no huddle when we go run heavy and take full advantage of that?

[Albaby]

That's when you need a time out.  Maybe Landry can decimate someone on the play and force an injury timeout. :heh:

[TKnight24]

Not at all. Everyone on this Defense has something to offer. We're like a Multiple Defense just like our Offense.

That's just how I see it though

[John Dee]

??  If anything this organization went heavy on RUN D...  

 

Which is GOOD.     Stop the run and the defending the pass becomes much easier.   JMO

Been bored and thinking, we have a lot of guys who are either run/pass "specialist" and are expected to do a lot of subbing and mixing/matching. Am I the only person who is just imagining us against the Peytons/Brady's who will instantly go no huddle when we go run heavy and take full advantage of that?

[funktacious2]

Unless they're doing the 2 minute drill I can't imagine any team doing plays so quickly that a guy can't run off the field and then another guy on in that time, no matter if they're running the no-huddle or not just still usually plenty of time there when you consider ref placement, flags, on-field celebrations, etc... I guess what I mean is that I'm sure we'll find a way to get the guys we need on the field even if it means taking a time-out.

[TKnight24]

Isn't there a RULE in place now anyway where the Offense has to allow a sub for defense? Or is that College football I'm thinking of?

[ReMeDy]

??  If anything this organization went heavy on RUN D...  

 

Which is GOOD.     Stop the run and the defending the pass becomes much easier.   JMO

 

I hear ya. The Texans especially run a lot of bootleg and we had a ton of issues against Foster's physicality. I remember when the Texans also had Vonta Leach at FB and they just ran the same play up the middle over and over out of I-Form. We couldn't do anything, and our head coach was too conservative to care.

[Kenny]

Isn't there a RULE in place now anyway where the Offense has to allow a sub for defense? Or is that College football I'm thinking of?

 

I'm pretty sure it's IF the O substitutes then the D is allowed one as well.

[TKnight24]

I'm pretty sure it's IF the O substitutes then the D is allowed one as well.

Oh, so I was partially right. Well, like the post above stated.... let Landry K.O. someone and that'll be our timeout

[Kenny]

Oh, so I was partially right. Well, like the post above stated.... let Landry K.O. someone and that'll be our timeout

 

That I fully agree with . We definitely did sell our soul for the run this offseason. Just hope that doesn't bite us in the butt, but I fully expect Pags to have us in the right package at the right time.

[Mouthfire]

Been bored and thinking, we have a lot of guys who are either run/pass "specialist" and are expected to do a lot of subbing and mixing/matching. Am I the only person who is just imagining us against the Peytons/Brady's who will instantly go no huddle when we go run heavy and take full advantage of that?

 

Didn't seem to hurt the Ravens all that much. 

[John Dee]

Ya they were kinda bad at both...

 

But had a really GREAT QB to save the day..  ;)

Didn't seem to hurt the Ravens all that much. 

[Narcosys]

Unless they're doing the 2 minute drill I can't imagine any team doing plays so quickly that a guy can't run off the field and then another guy on in that time, no matter if they're running the no-huddle or not just still usually plenty of time there when you consider ref placement, flags, on-field celebrations, etc... I guess what I mean is that I'm sure we'll find a way to get the guys we need on the field even if it means taking a time-out.

How many times has Manning been able to do that to other teams?

Official: *whistle* 12 men on the field. 5 yard penalty, automatic first down.

[funktacious2]

How many times has Manning been able to do that to other teams?

Official: *whistle* 12 men on the field. 5 yard penalty, automatic first down.

That penalty would at least allow for substitutions. lol

 

But no I don't really ever remember Peyton being so quick with the no huddle that teams could still make some subsitutions unless he 

[ColtJ82]

Been bored and thinking, we have a lot of guys who are either run/pass "specialist" and are expected to do a lot of subbing and mixing/matching. Am I the only person who is just imagining us against the Peytons/Brady's who will instantly go no huddle when we go run heavy and take full advantage of that?

Do you mind elaborating a little bit with specifics. I understand what you are saying, but I am not figuring out WHO you are talking about specifically. The only glaring person with a significant deficiency I see is Walden. He is definitely a run specialist. Sheppard is better in coverage, but I wouldn't call him a specialist. 

[AllYouNeedIsLuck]

Yeah, I was just thinking that. I wish we had players who were keen in both run and pass coverage. 

[coltsfanatic24]

Will start off in our base 3-4 but if a team no huddles and goes 3 Wr, then Landry will most likely play the slot WR(Freeman on TE) and Bethea play the deep half. The Steerlers run the 3-4 and it's very effective vs 3 WR sets because of Polomalu's versatility. We want our defense to dictate the game not the other way around. We played a lot of man coverage last  year i think will mix it up and use more 3-4 zone blitzes.

[John Dee]

Debatable...     and    .  Did Troy play last season at all? 

 

carry on... 

Will start off in our base 3-4 but if a team no huddles and goes 3 Wr, then Landry will most likely play the slot WR(Freeman on TE) and Bethea play the deep half. The Steerlers run the 3-4 and it's very effective vs 3 WR sets because of Polomalu's versatility. We want our defense to dictate the game not the other way around. We played a lot of man coverage last  year i think will mix it up and use more 3-4 zone blitzes.

[krunk]

Will start off in our base 3-4 but if a team no huddles and goes 3 Wr, then Landry will most likely play the slot WR(Freeman on TE) and Bethea play the deep half. The Steerlers run the 3-4 and it's very effective vs 3 WR sets because of Polomalu's versatility. We want our defense to dictate the game not the other way around. We played a lot of man coverage last  year i think will mix it up and use more 3-4 zone blitzes.

I think we have the ability this year to do some of what the Steelers did. Landry runs about a 4.3 so I believe you could get away with matching him up man to man on a Tight End or a Slot Receiver at times.

[TKnight24]

I think we'll be fine. Cause once we get Darius Butler at the Nickel CB, we're getting an interception on thqt play

[coltsfanatic24]

Debatable...     and    .  Did Troy play last season at all? 

 

carry on... 

He didn't but he's played last 8 years and Steerlers are usually in the top 5 defense every year. The 3-4 is one of the most effective defenses vs 3 WR sets because of the multiple looks. It's the reason Peyton struggles because you don't know who's blitzing or dropping. The one key in every successful 3-4 defense is having a great safety Polomalu,Weddle,Reed because of the great manipulation to the QB . I think Landry has the athleticism and ability to do the same.

[TKnight24]

Off-topic here for a moment

I was on the App watching vids and watched Vontae Davis' interview after OTA's and couldn't help but laugh. Vontae's voice is funny to me

[Superman]

Been bored and thinking, we have a lot of guys who are either run/pass "specialist" and are expected to do a lot of subbing and mixing/matching. Am I the only person who is just imagining us against the Peytons/Brady's who will instantly go no huddle when we go run heavy and take full advantage of that?

I think some of our guys are being pigeonholed as specialists, as if they are incapable otherwise. Walden, for instance, is considered a "run stopper," but he's actually pretty decent in coverage and as such, fits the Sam backer spot. Not a difference maker as a pass rusher, but that's something you hope the scheme can account for. Especially if the defense is strong against the run. I don't think Walden will be a liability in passing situations, though I'd rather have another pass rusher when possible.

Many of our projected rotation players have strengths that we hope will impact the defense positively. Some of them have pretty serious weaknesses, too. But I don't think any of them are so deficient in any one area that they will completely undermine what we're trying to do on defense. More than that, I like that many of our guys can play multiple roles in multiple fronts. And we have more depth along the defensive line than ever before.

[Stephen]

Honestly peyton is the only one who could cause trob with his quick playcalling. Something he forgot to use versus ravens in playoffs

[chrisfarley]

I think we will be one dimensional unless we find a back like Ray Rice of the Baltimore Ravens.  We must have a running game, like Pagano says, ground and pound is how to win.  If we fail to find a back, we are doomed.

[Warhorse]

Simple me, complex you. The Ravens, Steelers, and Pats have used this defensive style of disguised coverages against us successfullly for years. If our QB stays healthy, the sky is the limit.

[Bbswatching]

Isn't there a RULE in place now anyway where the Offense has to allow a sub for defense? Or is that College football I'm thinking of?

That is only if the offense subs players.

[Kenny]

I think some of our guys are being pigeonholed as specialists, as if they are incapable otherwise. Walden, for instance, is considered a "run stopper," but he's actually pretty decent in coverage and as such, fits the Sam backer spot. Not a difference maker as a pass rusher, but that's something you hope the scheme can account for. Especially if the defense is strong against the run. I don't think Walden will be a liability in passing situations, though I'd rather have another pass rusher when possible.

Many of our projected rotation players have strengths that we hope will impact the defense positively. Some of them have pretty serious weaknesses, too. But I don't think any of them are so deficient in any one area that they will completely undermine what we're trying to do on defense. More than that, I like that many of our guys can play multiple roles in multiple fronts. And we have more depth along the defensive line than ever before.

 

I can get behind that. A lot of the guys we have broguht in I've only seen highlgiht reels or limited viewing time if any at all. Had a couple coke n crowns last night viewing the forums and saw about 5-6 posts about who was good at this n who was good at that n it flagged in my noggin .

[Narcosys]

That penalty would at least allow for substitutions. lol

But no I don't really ever remember Peyton being so quick with the no huddle that teams could still make some subsitutions unless he

That's my point. The guy was saying we could sub in and out, my point was that when manning runs the no huddle and were in a run package, he'll make sure we won't have time to sub unless we want to take a 12 man penalty.

[jshipp23]

Yeah...It is gonna "SPECIALIZE" in creating turnovers and hurting quarterbacks....

[BOTT]

I think we will be one dimensional unless we find a back like Ray Rice of the Baltimore Ravens.  We must have a running game, like Pagano says, ground and pound is how to win.  If we fail to find a back, we are doomed.

1985 called and wants your thinking back

[snotknockind]

I can get behind that. A lot of the guys we have broguht in I've only seen highlgiht reels or limited viewing time if any at all. Had a couple coke n crowns last night viewing the forums and saw about 5-6 posts about who was good at this n who was good at that n it flagged in my noggin .

Kenny why would you ruin a great drink (Crown) with coke?  May I suggest Ginger Ale if you must mix.  Try the Crown Black.....very good and the reserve is even better but expensive.  Enjoy

[chad72]

Balanced elite Os will always put a pressure on any defense.

 

So, with the division being run oriented, stressing more on run D is not a bad thing.

 

Last year we played Brady and Rodgers and split, and this year we play Peyton who is probably the only one I feel can stress our D more than anyone else with a balanced approach or no huddle approach based on what D personnel is out there. It just sucks we have to play him on a short week, IMO.

 

But most of the better teams in the AFC the last decade or so, the Ravens, Steelers and Patriots have had a better run D than pass D, the Texans seem to be going in that direction too. Everyone firmly believes that if you can stop the run with a stout front 7, you can force more 3rd and longs and then use your pressure packages more often then, and have done so.

 

So, in a nutshell, I am not worried with the approach we are taking as long as we have the right personnel for that approach.

[TKnight24]

Sidenote here since we're talking about Defense

I want the 2010 Greg Toler to show up this year

82 solo tackles (8 assisted so 90 total)

1 sack

9 pass deflections & 2 interceptions

2 Forced Fumbles & 1 Touchdown

That's a great season for a CB imo

[Dustin]

Sidenote here since we're talking about Defense

I want the 2010 Greg Toler to show up this year

82 solo tackles (8 assisted so 90 total)

1 sack

9 pass deflections & 2 interceptions

2 Forced Fumbles & 1 Touchdown

That's a great season for a CB imo

If we have a CB making 90 tackles, that's probably not a good thing.

[TKnight24]

If we have a CB making 90 tackles, that's probably not a good thing.

Well you get the point. Dag Dustin, must you be so technical??!!!

[ponyboy]

That penalty would at least allow for substitutions. lol

 

But no I don't really ever remember Peyton being so quick with the no huddle that teams could still make some subsitutions unless he 

 

I always felt Peyton would be at the line ready to snap so they couldn't attempt a substitution and he did this all the time.  If they did try to substitute, it was a quick snap and a free play.  So maybe you didn't see a lot of penalties (but still quite a few)  -- I feel there were plenty of times defenses wanted to substitute but couldn't.

[Superman]

I can get behind that. A lot of the guys we have broguht in I've only seen highlgiht reels or limited viewing time if any at all. Had a couple coke n crowns last night viewing the forums and saw about 5-6 posts about who was good at this n who was good at that n it flagged in my noggin .

 

 

Seriously, I think it's a legitimate topic. I'm anxious to see what our final 53 looks like, and what our rotations along the defensive line will be. I also wonder about our pass rushers.

 

But I think a lot of your concern comes from the labels that players get tagged with, and a lot of time those labels are inaccurate or misleading.

[Kenny]

 

Seriously, I think it's a legitimate topic. I'm anxious to see what our final 53 looks like, and what our rotations along the defensive line will be. I also wonder about our pass rushers.

 

But I think a lot of your concern comes from the labels that players get tagged with, and a lot of time those labels are inaccurate or misleading.

Oh I wasn't trying to blame a bad topic on  my booze at all even asked myself if it was worth the discussion before posting. Was more of a sidebar on how it popped in my head . I'm very anxious as well this season couldn't come fast enough.

 

 

Kenny why would you ruin a great drink (Crown) with coke?  May I suggest Ginger Ale if you must mix.  Try the Crown Black.....very good and the reserve is even better but expensive.  Enjoy

 

I've always used Coke as a mixer for my crown when I'm in the mood to cut it. Usually stick to it straight, or just drink my scotch and forget about the crown depends on my fancy .

[NewColtsFan]

I don't see how the Colt's defense is anymore "specialist" based than any of the other 31 defenses.

 

That's today's modern NFL.     If you can't draft a quality 3-down player, then you're looking for someone who can give you one or two exceptional downs in every series.    Either because they can rush the quarterback,  stuff the run,  cover a receiver,  you name it.

 

So much of today's NFL is situational football based on down, distance and score.    You're trying to squeeze every last bit of talent out of every last player on your roster. 

 

Seems to be all 32 teams do it.    If someone like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or (soon) Andrew Luck can make things harder on the defense by going no huddle, or quick snap (whatever you call it) before the defense can make changes,  then so much the better for them.    More power to them.

 

Just part of the game.