Hamster360 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Is it possible for the Colts to offer Mack a 10 year 150M$ contract, that paid him like 8M, 8M, 8M, 8M, 14M,18M,20M, 22M, 22M, 22M=150M Give him say 20M guaranteed over the 1st 3 years, so he could be cut after 3 or 4 years with no cap hit, but, make it known to him, that after he signs, he would restructure his deal to more like 5 year/45M$ with 25M guaranteed. I don't know if that would work, or if Cleveland would still sign that with the hope to restructure as well. Just an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theanarchist Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 And we're going to keep picking up Browns players, until you're happy about it........... I don't know if ill ever be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theanarchist Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Is it possible for the Colts to offer Mack a 10 year 150M$ contract, that paid him like 8M, 8M, 8M, 8M, 14M,18M,20M, 22M, 22M, 22M=150M Give him say 20M guaranteed over the 1st 3 years, so he could be cut after 3 or 4 years with no cap hit, but, make it known to him, that after he signs, he would restructure his deal to more like 5 year/45M$ with 25M guaranteed. I don't know if that would work, or if Cleveland would still sign that with the hope to restructure as well. Just an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ja'Crispy Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 nevermind, they just cut Weeden Hoyer (or a rookie), Flacco, or Luck...same answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buccolts Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I don't know if ill ever be... O.K., then I'm asking you 'please', 'cause there's only so many Browns worth anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsBTM12 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Another Browns player? OK, I know Mack is a premier C but why are we getting all these Browns players? First Richardson, that's worked out great so far....then Jackson who I'm still not sold on....and now Mack.The Browns have a ton of talent, just no coaching or leadership with their front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modern Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Maybe taking all the Browns players is how Grigson gets even for making him look like a fool with the Richardson trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso80 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 nevermind, they just cut Weedenwell you can say hoyer or whoever is their new starter is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsBTM12 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Grigson: Would you rather be snapping the ball to Brandon Weeden, Joe Flacco, or Andrew Luck? Mack: Where do I sign?More like Manziel, Flacco, or Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theanarchist Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 The Browns have a ton of talent, just no coaching or leadership with their front office.OK, hope your right. I don't want us to turn into the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso80 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 never mind you changed it before i looked. sneaky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 5 yrs. $40-45 mil. should get it done with sweetness in guaranteed money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Irrelevant Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 5 yrs. $40-45 mil. should get it done with sweetness in guaranteed money Where do I sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzer40 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Is it possible for the Colts to offer Mack a 10 year 150M$ contract, that paid him like 8M, 8M, 8M, 8M, 14M,18M,20M, 22M, 22M, 22M=150M Give him say 20M guaranteed over the 1st 3 years, so he could be cut after 3 or 4 years with no cap hit, but, make it known to him, that after he signs, he would restructure his deal to more like 5 year/45M$ with 25M guaranteed. I don't know if that would work, or if Cleveland would still sign that with the hope to restructure as well. Just an idea.Cleveland could still match that though. This is my point, there really isn't a way for his agent to construct a deal with us that Cleveland couldn't match so I don't see why his agent would say something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso80 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 how do they figure the salary cap hit with the contracts? im trying to understand the guaranteed part and the rest of the contract, how does it affect the salary cap? any website that explain this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCollarColts Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 5 yrs. $40-45 mil. should get it done with sweetness in guaranteed money I doubt Cleveland wouldn't match that, especially just 40 million, but I'm all for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsBTM12 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000332797/article/alex-macks-agent-browns-cant-match-all-offers Mack's agent thinks the Browns wouldn't be able to match all offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterBowman Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 now if Cleveland matched, could Mack refuse it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCollarColts Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Cleveland can match any offer we could give Mack, we can just hope either A) Cleveland decides its not worth it, or B) Mack tells Cleveland he doesn't want to play with them and wants to come here and they let him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000332797/article/alex-macks-agent-browns-cant-match-all-offers Mack's agent thinks the Browns wouldn't be able to match all offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bavanlan Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Cleveland could still match that though. This is my point, there really isn't a way for his agent to construct a deal with us that Cleveland couldn't match so I don't see why his agent would say something like that. Go through that link I put earlier. You basically need to wait until Cleveland spends a bunch of cash, sign him to a sheet with a big year 1 roster bonus instead of signing bonus so theres a $20M+ cap hit, have the Browns not match, and then renegotiate it to a signing bonus after the time to match has passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzer40 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 5 yrs. $40-45 mil. should get it done with sweetness in guaranteed money Why wouldn't Cleveland match that? Any deal we could offer, Cleveland could easily match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCollarColts Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 now if Cleveland matched, could Mack refuse it?Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Irrelevant Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000332797/article/alex-macks-agent-browns-cant-match-all-offers Mack's agent thinks the Browns wouldn't be able to match all offers. Oh dear, that means those crazy Cowboys are in the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzer40 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Go through that link I put earlier. You basically need to wait until Cleveland spends a bunch of cash, sign him to a sheet with a big year 1 roster bonus instead of signing bonus so theres a $20M+ cap hit, have the Browns not match, and then renegotiate it to a signing bonus after the time to match has passed.This is assuming that Cleveland is going to spend a bunch more cash. They left almost 25 million from last yr. so I don't see them spending the type of money that would take Mack off the market for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Wish it was a way we could get Alex Mack &/or Joe Haden *Wakes up from dream* Anyway, back to reality. If cleveland can match any offer, why are they even entertaining talks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonABrown Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 This is assuming that Cleveland is going to spend a bunch more cash. They left almost 25 million from last yr. so I don't see them spending the type of money that would take Mack off the market for them. Ben Tate wont come cheap to Cleveland. Who knows? This may happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poster X Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 If they get both Mack and say Hakeem Nicks... this free agent period would be an overwhelming success. I'm not sure on cap space , but a Mack and Decker combo would be unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devildog Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 This maybe a stupid question but if the Colts offer x amount of money and the Browns matches it, can Mack still pick the Colts? Does the tag prevent him from going elsewhere if the Browns match any offers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCollarColts Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Wish it was a way we could get Alex Mack &/or Joe Haden *Wakes up from dream* Anyway, back to reality. If cleveland can match any offer, why are they even entertaining talks?Well there is always the hope Mack tells Cleveland don't match the offer, I want to go to Indy and not play for you, and Cleveland listens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzer40 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Wish it was a way we could get Alex Mack &/or Joe Haden *Wakes up from dream*Anyway, back to reality. If cleveland can match any offer, why are they even entertaining talks?This is what I'm saying. Were wasting a chance to sign one of the other available guys for literally almost 0% chance of getting Mack. Unless Mack just comes out tells Cleveland not to match because he won't play for them, then were wasting our time. BTW, Mack isn't gonna do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smonroe Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Go through that link I put earlier. You basically need to wait until Cleveland spends a bunch of cash, sign him to a sheet with a big year 1 roster bonus instead of signing bonus so theres a $20M+ cap hit, have the Browns not match, and then renegotiate it to a signing bonus after the time to match has passed. That's basically a poison pill strategy. Of course the Browns could still match it. I'm sure Mack's agent is in heaven right now. I'd love to have him but EDS would be a great upgrade too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyScribe Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 This maybe a stupid question but if the Colts offer x amount of money and the Browns matches it, can Mack still pick the Colts? Does the tag prevent him from going elsewhere if the Browns match any offers?Nope. Mack has to sign the contract if Browns match. If they get both Mack and say Hakeem Nicks... this free agent period would be an overwhelming success. I'm not sure on cap space , but a Mack and Decker combo would be unlikely.There won't be enough money because of what each player will cost. We have 17 million. I don't think we can sign both unless one takes a cheap deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblueblood Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Me if we somehow land Alex MackI laughed so hard I farted a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bavanlan Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 This maybe a stupid question but if the Colts offer x amount of money and the Browns matches it, can Mack still pick the Colts? Does the tag prevent him from going elsewhere if the Browns match any offers?If the Browns match it he stays in Cleveland regardless of his wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Irrelevant Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Anyway, I don't understand what the Browns are trying to achieve here? Wont they just be pushed to pay him more than if they just re-signed him without this arrangement? Yes, I'm clueless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCollarColts Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 If they get both Mack and say Hakeem Nicks... this free agent period would be an overwhelming success. I'm not sure on cap space , but a Mack and Decker combo would be unlikely.No way we get Mack and Decker. We have about 18 million left I believe. Mack will likely cost 10-11 million so that leaves us with 7-8 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzer40 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 This maybe a stupid question but if the Colts offer x amount of money and the Browns matches it, can Mack still pick the Colts? Does the tag prevent him from going elsewhere if the Browns match any offers?If Cleveland matches then Mack has to play in Cleveland unless he just quits. Cleveland would retain his rights for the remainder of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bui Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 lets get er done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buccolts Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Sounds like any real chance of snagging Mack is to negotiate a bit with the Browns also(?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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