ESPN Ranks Colts All-Pro DT DeForest Buckner as the NFL’s 4th Best Inside Defensive Lineman

[Luck2Hilton4TD]

 

[runthepost]

Who’s in front? Chris Jones Aaron Donald and Fletcher Cox?

[Luck2Hilton4TD]

15 minutes ago, runthepost said:

Who’s in front? Chris Jones Aaron Donald and Fletcher Cox?

 

Yeah! Donald, Jones, and then Cox. 

[cdgacoltsfan]

We paid " a really good player" superstar money?

[runthepost]

41 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

We paid " a really good player" superstar money?

Top 5 in your position qualifies for big money. Just wait till Darius signs a 5-7 year deal for 70-100 M and Nelson to get a 5-7 deal for the same range

[chad72]

7 minutes ago, runthepost said:

Top 5 in your position qualifies for big money. Just wait till Darius signs a 5-7 year deal for 70-100 M and Nelson to get a 5-7 deal for the same range

 

Do you think the post Covid-19 salary caps will follow the same trends as they expected or do we expect a course correction in these salaries?

[BProland85]

I could see Buckner getting to top 2-3 soon.

[Yoshinator]

19 minutes ago, BProland85 said:

I could see Buckner getting to top 2-3 soon.

I would put him at 3 personally over Fletcher Cox. He's a few years younger and on the same level IMO. I think that would qualify him to be 1 spot ahead of him.

[coltsfeva]

4 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I would put him at 3 personally over Fletcher Cox. He's a few years younger and on the same level IMO. I think that would qualify him to be 1 spot ahead of him.

   In the last 4 years, he’s had over 100 more tackles (263 to 155) and 2 more sacks (28.5 to 26)

To be fair, Cox had some injuries last year but I’d still put Buckner ahead of Cox.

    You could argue he belongs at #2 (ahead of Jones).

[runthepost]

3 hours ago, chad72 said:

 

Do you think the post Covid-19 salary caps will follow the same trends as they expected or do we expect a course correction in these salaries?

Deals will probably not change since this is hopefully a 1 year thing. The league will lose money this year no doubt but if a vaccine is ready by end of November, early December then the league will jack up the prices at the superbowl and playoffs in January. 

[runthepost]

Chris Jones just got the same deal as Buckner

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, runthepost said:

Chris Jones just got the same deal as Buckner

Dang! Was hoping we could get him! 

[chad72]

1 hour ago, coltsfeva said:

   In the last 4 years, he’s had over 100 more tackles (263 to 155) and 2 more sacks (28.5 to 26)

To be fair, Cox had some injuries last year but I’d still put Buckner ahead of Cox.

    You could argue he belongs at #2 (ahead of Jones).

 

Because of the age, yes, Buckner over Cox now. The Chris Jones contract probably reflects it a bit, IMO.

[runthepost]

1 hour ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Dang! Was hoping we could get him! 

Buckner and Jones in the middle would be really fun  

[Myles]

I could see him dropping after this year.   He is the man here where in SF he was one of many.   He'll get the additional focus.   Not saying he can't or won't be great, just saying that might be tougher for him here.   

[chad72]

22 minutes ago, Myles said:

I could see him dropping after this year.   He is the man here where in SF he was one of many.   He'll get the additional focus.   Not saying he can't or won't be great, just saying that might be tougher for him here.   

 

Either he becomes "the guy" or he enables Turay or another DE to become "the guy" due to the attention he gets. Both work in the Colts favor.

[smittywerb]

7 hours ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

We paid " a really good player" superstar money?

 

Chris Jones got the same deal as Buckner.  And Chris Jones probably did that deal for the hometown discount.

[smittywerb]

1 hour ago, Myles said:

I could see him dropping after this year.   He is the man here where in SF he was one of many.   He'll get the additional focus.   Not saying he can't or won't be great, just saying that might be tougher for him here.   

 

 

From what SF fans say, he was the man before the other people popped up.  Basically, he's the reason why he was one of many in SF.

[cdgacoltsfan]

7 minutes ago, smittywerb said:

 

Chris Jones got the same deal as Buckner.  And Chris Jones probably did that deal for the hometown discount.

Thanks. Just as I thought. Ballard set the market too high.

[smittywerb]

13 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Thanks. Just as I thought. Ballard set the market too high.

 

If someone ranked above him got a similar deal and it's a good guess it was discounted...I'm not sure how he overbid.  Now if the other two in front of them sign for similar numbers then yes, he overpaid.

[NewColtsFan]

49 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Thanks. Just as I thought. Ballard set the market too high.

Well...    you thought wrong.  
 

The market was set by Aaron Donald who makes $25m per.   He’s the top paid DL.

 

The market was not set by Chris Ballard. 

[The Oopty Oop]

I just really hope he performs at his normal level of play and he’s well worth it. Can’t underpay and get anyone at his caliber so I hope for health and hope for havoc.

[cdgacoltsfan]

52 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Well...    you thought wrong.  
 

The market was set by Aaron Donald who makes $25m per.   He’s the top paid DL.

 

The market was not set by Chris Ballard. 

Donald and Jones are game changing, great ,difference making players.

Buckner is a "pretty good player"

We overpaid.

[NewColtsFan]

5 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Donald and Jones are game changing, great ,difference making players.

Buckner is a "pretty good player"

We overpaid.

Says you, and nobody else.

 

And I couldn’t help but notice that you don't even have a number you’d find acceptable.   You just want to criticize.   
 

You don’t know what you’re talking about.  You just like playing the part of a bomb thrower.   Good luck with that.   Watch how fast people don’t take you seriously.   

[w87r]

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

Watch how fast people don’t take you seriously.

Too late

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

10 minutes ago, w87r said:

Too late

 

Very true, yeah 

[NewColtsFan]

32 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Donald and Jones are game changing, great ,difference making players.

Buckner is a "pretty good player"

We overpaid.

Actually...   you got it wrong — again.

 

The quote was that Buckner was a “really good player”.   It was NOT “pretty good player.”    And there’s a big difference.

 

But even so, answer this question....  Why would you prefer the opinion of a nameless person over that of our own General Manager?   Why is the opinion of someone who you don’t even know more valuable to you than the view of Chris Ballard? 
 

That’s a mystery to me.... 

[2006Coltsbestever]

6 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Actually...   you got it wrong — again.

 

The quote was that Buckner was a “really good player”.   It was NOT “pretty good player.”    And there’s a big difference.

 

But even so, answer this question....  Why would you prefer the opinion of a nameless person over that of our own General Manager?   Why is the opinion of someone who you don’t even know more valuable to you than the view of Chris Ballard? 
 

That’s a mystery to me.... 

IMO Buckner is a 'Great player', only Donald is better IMO. Jones is pretty equal. 

[cdgacoltsfan]

23 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Actually...   you got it wrong — again.

 

The quote was that Buckner was a “really good player”.   It was NOT “pretty good player.”    And there’s a big difference.

 

But even so, answer this question....  Why would you prefer the opinion of a nameless person over that of our own General Manager?   Why is the opinion of someone who you don’t even know more valuable to you than the view of Chris Ballard? 
 

That’s a mystery to me.... 

Have you even seen Buckner play? He's not a dominating player like Jones and Donald are.

[WoolMagnet]

3 hours ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Thanks. Just as I thought. Ballard set the market too high.

You never cease to amaze me

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Have you even seen Buckner play? He's not a dominating player like Jones and Donald are.

For discussions sake, I’ll agree with your argument.   And my answer is this....   so what?

 

Hes good enough to be highly thought of around the NFL.   The quote you offered that he’s a “really good player” is the first “negative” thing I’ve seen posted about him. 
 

That’s it.

 

There are no negative articles about the trade.  No negative articles about the contract.   There is one one article that says he’s not as good as Aaron Donald and that’s the same for everyone else in the NFL.

 

His contract is the cost if doing business. 

 

Again I ask....   so what?   He fits what the Colts hope to do on defense.   He plays the most important position on our defense.  He came with rave reviews as a leader on and off the field.   I don’t know why you think you know better than Ballard and seemingly everyone else in the NFL,  but you do. 
 

Good luck with that. 

[crazycolt1]

3 hours ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Donald and Jones are game changing, great ,difference making players.

Buckner is a "pretty good player"

We overpaid.

Once again, attention hound. 

You know why he was paid but you can't resist throwing horse dung on anything positive. Not only him but everyone on the Colts roster. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Once again, attention hound. 

You know why he was paid but you can't resist throwing horse dung on anything positive. Not only him but everyone on the Colts roster. 

It is complete horse dung 

[AZColt11]

There's one in every crowd.  But let's say this:  Let's say he isn't even top 5 (which I don't believe).  Let's say he's just the best guy the Colts have right now.  People would roast Ballard if he weren't trying to improve the roster right?  So how are you going to get him, or a similar player like him, here?  Offer him half what another team would have?  Yeah, cause players are just dying to go to Indy.  The truth is you HAVE to overpay in FA to win the bid.  It's mandatory or else you don't get FA's.  That's just the price of doing business.

[Myles]

3 hours ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Have you even seen Buckner play? He's not a dominating player like Jones and Donald are.

Have you ever watched an NFL game?

[Colt.45]

19 hours ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

We paid " a really good player" superstar money?

 

He's paid less than Donald...and now Jones. I'm not sure of Cox. But that's the going rate for the position. 

[AwesomeAustin]

Buckner’s perceived success all depends on if other players step up.  Houston will be good but Autry needs to produce like his first year here and Turray and that kid from Ohio State need to stay on the field and start to show why they were 2nd round picks. If it’s just Houston playing above average Buckner will constantly face double teams and most likely be neutralized 80% of the time. If the other players do their jobs then they will all get opportunities to make the 7-10 big plays A game needed from the DL to stall drives. I personally don’t see it happening consistently but doesn’t change Buckner is a fantastic player.  Even double teamed he will win 20% of the plays and cause disruption in the opposing offense. Most people can’t see this as a positive bc they focus on the stat sheet. Forcing a RB outside where there is containment or preventing a QB from stepping up in the pocket so he has to throw the ball away are all huge wins for a defense. It isn’t exciting but it is the dirty work that makes a defense great. 

[runthepost]

13 hours ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Have you even seen Buckner play? He's not a dominating player like Jones and Donald are.

I don’t think you seen him play. Didn’t he get 2 sacks in the super bowl?

[w87r]

7 minutes ago, runthepost said:

I don’t think you seen him play. Didn’t he get 2 sacks in the super bowl?

1.5 sacks

[runthepost]

Also comparing a player to Aaron Donald is not a great comparison. He is a tier above any defensive player. A tier of his own like prime JJ Watt was except Watt was like 2-3 tiers above everyone else

Just now, w87r said:

1.5 sacks

Thanks