ricker182 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, TomDiggs said: He gone 4 years $42M to the Bucs got his 10.5M to become the highest paid center in the league Too much IMO, but at some point the Colts need to open their checkbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomDiggs Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Really wanted him. Knew we’d have to pay. And said once he crept past $10M a year I’d get hesitant. But all along it made sense for him to go between 9-11M. He got the higher end of that. Good for him. Bad for us. Now we need to see if pouncey or Pugh is an option. I can see why tampa was confident when he left. W how frugal Ballard is they made this offer and probably knew the colts wouldn’t beat it despite having the cash to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DougDew Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Pugh could have a chronic back. I don't really want him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR91 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Seems like poker isn't Ballard's game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Rebel Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Some of y'all should sue your brain for non support...the contract is ridiculously high...is he even a top 5 center in football? I would probably not have him in the top 10.. and he is now the highest paid... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JColts72 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, ricker182 said: Too much IMO, but at some point the Colts need to open their checkbook. The moths will fly out by then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStillTruckedYou Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Yeaaaa i’m good with passing on this one. Definitely isn’t worth this much. Just worried it may had set Pouncey and Pugh market higher than that. The check book may actually have to open for this 2nd and 3rd tier guys sadly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricker182 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I say this every year, but MOST of these guys are not worth this kind of money. Unbelievable. I was at about half of what he got. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterBowman Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Ballard sticking to his guns.....could he have been a good addition? Possibly.....but not for highest paid center in the league money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomDiggs Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, AddaiStillTruckedYou said: Yeaaaa i’m good with passing on this one. Definitely isn’t worth this much. Just worried it may had set Pouncey and Pugh market higher than that. The check book may actually have to open for this 2nd and 3rd tier guys sadly... You are right on point if we are trying to move fast. Which all our fans are whining for us to do. The only way the second and third tier guys come down in price is when they’ve lingered for awhile and aren’t getting what they want and then settle for smaller one year deals. This is yet another challenge for us. Because we aren’t competing right away so we don’t want one year guys. We want them below market value for multiple years. You dont get that on name guys or young up and coming guys. You get it on guys w question marks. Or guys that are totally unproven. So I believe you’re right. If we want a pouncey or a Pugh we will have to pay 9-10M a year for them to get them right away and keep them out of everyone else’s hands. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananabucket Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Bubba_Rebel said: Some of y'all should sue your brain for non support...the contract is ridiculously high...is he even a top 5 center in football? I would probably not have him in the top 10.. and he is now the highest paid... We either overpay to protect Andrew or we go bargain bin shopping for scrubs. We already have scrubs. This wasn't our last opportunity, but Ballard is gonna have to pony up at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GwinnettColt Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I don't know much about the salary cap, but I don't think the money rolls over. I'm not sure what we're waiting on, here. I get the building phase but I would think one or two FA's on the line (or in other positions) while we're building isn't a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDewar1987 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 A live look at the forums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, GwinnettColt said: I don't know much about the salary cap, but I don't think the money rolls over. I'm not sure what we're waiting on, here. I get the building phase but I would think one or two FA's on the line (or in other positions) while we're building isn't a bad thing. 100% rolls over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricker182 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, bananabucket said: We either overpay to protect Andrew or we go bargain bin shopping for scrubs. We already have scrubs. This wasn't our last opportunity, but Ballard is gonna have to pony up at some point. I'm about in the same boat as you. I do not think any of these guys should be demanding this kind of money, but obviously this is the market price. Colts need to spend some money to protect AL12. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GwinnettColt Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, bananabucket said: We either overpay to protect Andrew or we go bargain bin shopping for scrubs. We already have scrubs. This wasn't our last opportunity, but Ballard is gonna have to pony up at some point. I just had a funny image in my head of Ballard pushing a shopping cart next to Irsay, hearing about a sale on the intercom, and then both of them running, trying to maneuver the cart through the aisles only to find the shelves empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ztboiler Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Overpaying....only a good idea in the month of March. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I’m okay with passing on the highest paid center in the NFL. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corgi Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 If Ballard just overpaid for every FA people in here wanted the Colts would be in Cap hell yesterday. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamMo Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Yeahhhh woulda been nice but I’m okay. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougDew Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, MTC said: I’m okay with passing on the highest paid center in the NFL. Me too. I'm fine with seeing what improvements the team will make by just simply changing coaches and schemes. Ballard will get the holes filled by September if not before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Debonair Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 So every FA that signed has been overpaid? That’s all I keep reading here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricker182 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr.Debonair said: So every FA that signed has been overpaid? That’s all I keep reading here Yes. But that's FA and that's market price. If you want to play you're going to have to pay. Although I think the Raiders got a bargain in Melvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9copinmd Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I have kept my mouth shut so far but this is becoming laughable. Not this FA in particular but the totality of the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csmopar Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 36 minutes ago, GwinnettColt said: I don't know much about the salary cap, but I don't think the money rolls over. I'm not sure what we're waiting on, here. I get the building phase but I would think one or two FA's on the line (or in other positions) while we're building isn't a bad thing. Unspent money does roll over 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csmopar Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, Mr.Debonair said: So every FA that signed has been overpaid? That’s all I keep reading here No but making a guy the highest paid center in the league after just one year, a contract year, is kind of crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ztboiler Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, Mr.Debonair said: So every FA that signed has been overpaid? That’s all I keep reading here Of course not...just as not every comment on this forum is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Debonair Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, csmopar said: No but making a guy the highest paid center in the league after just one year, a contract year, is kind of crazy Besides Melvin, this forum has said 95% of the signees has been overpaid. I rather lose trying than lose after being stagnant and reluctant to spend money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9copinmd Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, csmopar said: No but making a guy the highest paid center in the league after just one year, a contract year, is kind of crazy Not singling you out cs but you know what is even crazier?? Going year after year of getting your QB's mashed and bashed and not fixing the problem. That is what is frustrating me the most about this. Fix the damn OL Ballard...if ya don't do anything else...FIX THE LINE!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakai432 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 46 minutes ago, bananabucket said: We either overpay to protect Andrew or we go bargain bin shopping for scrubs. We already have scrubs. This wasn't our last opportunity, but Ballard is gonna have to pony up at some point. This is one of the reasons that worry me. Unless Ballard has a plan to bring in Jenson, Pugh, and try to acquire Nelson or some serious OL picks, I'm worried they're standing pat and if Luck comes back he's going to be in the same situation he was before. That being said, a much more competent coaching staff would help dramatically, especially with a scheme where Luck doesn't have to run around like a chicken with its head cut off waiting for routes to develop. With regards to the Wrs though, even in a quick passing scheme they don't have much WR capability either. In the end Luck may be running around regardless, scrambling for his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricker182 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, k9copinmd said: Not singling you out cs but you know what is even crazier?? Going year after year of getting your QB's mashed and bashed and not fixing the problem. That is what is frustrating me the most about this. Fix the damn OL Ballard...if ya don't do anything else...FIX THE LINE!! Fair point. I don't think anyone would have a problem with the Colts spending $$$$$$$ on the Oline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csmopar Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, k9copinmd said: Not singling you out cs but you know what is even crazier?? Going year after year of getting your QB's mashed and bashed and not fixing the problem. That is what is frustrating me the most about this. Fix the damn OL Ballard...if ya don't do anything else...FIX THE LINE!! I completely agree. 1000 percent. I'm simply saying that I can understand the rationale behind it. Not saying I agree with it, but I get it 9 minutes ago, Mr.Debonair said: Besides Melvin, this forum has said 95% of the signees has been overpaid. I rather lose trying than lose after being stagnant and reluctant to spend money Yep but that's also free agency every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deedub75 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 41 minutes ago, Mr.Debonair said: So every FA that signed has been overpaid? That’s all I keep reading here No, just every free agent that we didn’t sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynjin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 48 minutes ago, Mr.Debonair said: So every FA that signed has been overpaid? That’s all I keep reading here Not all, just most of them. That's what happens in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisticuffs111 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Maybe I'm totally off base here...but I feel like some of the same people who are saying the Bucs overpaid for Jensen (and other FA's we missed out on) would be completely fine with/or outright defending Ballard had we been the ones paying up. Personally, I'm of the belief that this is like the year NBA free agency went wild. That this is the new market being set. I would've been fine had we given this contract to Jensen. Not least of which because there's likely an out after year 2, and it's not like we're saving up money for any huge re-signings within the next couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, Mr.Debonair said: Besides Melvin, this forum has said 95% of the signees has been overpaid. I rather lose trying than lose after being stagnant and reluctant to spend money Respectfully.... and I'm not talking about you specifically... but to address your comment.... Most members of our community are clueless about money. They don't know what players are worth. They make silly recommendations on what they think the Colts should offer that are completely unrealistic. Then the player signs for far more money than the poster thought and they react with outrage... Happens every year... this year is no exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricker182 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fisticuffs111 said: Maybe I'm totally off basehere. But I feel like some of the same people who are saying the Bucs overpaid for Jensen (and other FA's we missed out on) would be completely fine with, if not outright defending, Ballard had he doled out these contracts. Personally, I'm of the belief that this is like the year NBA free agency went wild. That this is the new market being set. I would've been fine had we given this contract to Jensen personally. Because there's likely an out after year 2 and we won't be making any huge re-signings by then anyways. I'd be perfectly fine with it. Just don't think he's actually worth that much. But he improves the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisticuffs111 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, ricker182 said: I'd be perfectly fine with it. Just don't think he's actually worth that much. But he improves the team. Yeah, and we're in a unique position. We have a need for O-line unlike most other teams, and we have the money to dole out a hefty contract or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricker182 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fisticuffs111 said: Yeah, and we're in a unique position. We have a need for O-line unlike most other teams, and we have the money to dole out a hefty contract or two. I really don't think any Colts fan would be upset overpaying for any decent Oline-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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