Luck Update

[pgt_rob]

2 hours ago, Coltsfan1953 said:

Was that Jim Bob Cooter's Slim Roadside Motor Inn?

 

Probably a "different" Cooter. 

[shakedownstreet]

7 minutes ago, pgt_rob said:

 

Probably a "different" Cooter. 

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 hours ago, shakedownstreet said:

 

I stayed at Cooter Slim's Roadside Motor Inn and have insect bites all over my body

You should've stayed at Cooter Slim's Roadside Motor Inn 8, they don't have an insect problem

[crazycolt1]

16 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

You should've stayed at Cooter Slim's Roadside Motor Inn 8, they don't have an insect problem

And they leave the light on too.

[Flash7]

Is it possible that Luck has already started throwing and now he is going to be working with House and Dedeaux to work on bettering/regaining his throwing mechanics?

 

Here is an article where the writer thinks so:

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2018/2/2/16963756/andrew-luck-working-on-his-throwing-mechanics-in-la-is-a-good-sign

 

Also, I found it curious that when the news of Luck going to LA to work with Tom House and Dedeaux first broke, Mike Garafolo stated that Luck had been out there to meet with them 6 weeks prior and they stated that he was not ready yet.  I assume that they had watched him throw and that's how they made that evaluation. Here's the video embedded in this article. Mike Garafolo come on at the 1:00 mark.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000912153/article/colts-andrew-luck-regaining-strength-close-to-throwing.

 

Regardless, after re-watching Luck's press conference, I now have much more confidence that he will be ready for 2018.

 

http://www.colts.com/videos/videos/Andrew-Luck-Full-Press-Conference-1229/2133374b-9160-4fdd-af0a-c30da32166d3

[oldunclemark]

21 hours ago, Flash7 said:

Is it possible that Luck has already started throwing and now he is going to be working with House and Dedeaux to work on bettering/regaining his throwing mechanics?

 

 

That's what I thought was happening...I thought Andrew was already throwing

[The Fish]

In case anyone didn't notice. This drama isn't resolved or really even much clearer than it was.

 

Mort just said that Luck is gambling that he'll heal up and that as has been speculated he might need another surgery. This predicated on medical professional's opinions. I don't know if it's rumors or what. 

 

If I had to lay a bet right now if he's starting or not week one next season, I'd go "no"- and that bums me out.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

6 minutes ago, The Fish said:

In case anyone didn't notice. This drama isn't resolved or really even much clearer than it was.

 

Mort just said that Luck is gambling that he'll heal up and that as has been speculated he might need another surgery. This predicated on medical professional's opinions. I don't know if it's rumors or what. 

 

If I had to lay a bet right now if he's starting or not week one next season, I'd go "no"- and that bums me out.

I don't believe that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He would be going to work on THROWING MECHANICS unless he was already throwing! To work on them you have to throw! 

[hoosierhawk]

32 minutes ago, The Fish said:

In case anyone didn't notice. This drama isn't resolved or really even much clearer than it was.

 

Mort just said that Luck is gambling that he'll heal up and that as has been speculated he might need another surgery. This predicated on medical professional's opinions. I don't know if it's rumors or what. 

 

If I had to lay a bet right now if he's starting or not week one next season, I'd go "no"- and that bums me out.

When did Mort just say it? 

[GusFring]

Mort has been very critical on Luck's handling of this. Even criticized the surgeon he chosed. 

[crazycolt1]

Since when has Mort become an expert in medical issues?

[RockThatBlue]

3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Since when has Mort become an expert in medical issues?

They don't call him Dr. Mort for nothing.

[ColtsBlueFL]

1 hour ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

I don't believe that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He would be going to work on THROWING MECHANICS unless he was already throwing! To work on them you have to throw! 

 

A throwing program that is rehab from surgery or having been shutdown form a setback from surgery recovery can take a couple/few months... just to be ready for actual foot ball drills/practice.  Getting a handle on the mechanics early in rehab is preferred over poor mechanics in the rehab process that could lead to further setbacks.  Working with Tom House, while a good sign, is not indicative that he is ready (or even close to it) to throw in a 7 on 7 o 11 on 11 with people rushing in on him, blocking throwing lanes with their bodies/arms, and moving hiom off his spot and making him throw on the run.  That is so much more demanding than just throwing. It could be months before they put him under that type duress.  That is where he failed at his last recovery attempt. If he still has damage in his shoulder that needs addressed, even the greatest mechanics may not be enough to get him where he needs to be to be 'football ready'.  We all hope there is no damage and recover goes well.  But it will be some time  before we know.  Mark my words.

 

44 minutes ago, GusFring said:

Mort has been very critical on Luck's handling of this. Even criticized the surgeon he chosed. 

 

I respect Mort for reporting facts or highly credible inside information. However, I do not he is qualified to render an opinion on Andrew Luck's surgeon, Marc R. Safran M.D. : Chief of Sports Medicine and Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the Stanford University Medical Center.

And I'll repeat this information until I'm blue in the face if necessary.

 

https://ortho.stanford.edu/faculty/sports.html

 

And yes, one of his sub specialties is shoulder dislocation, throwers shoulder, and shoulder stabilization surgery.

 

https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/marc-safran

 

[The Fish]

Just a heads up that I wasn't paying close attention, but I didn't notice this blurb of info coming up again during that broadcast. Second, I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else and FWIW I didn't quote it verbatim and I'm going over this one more time to emphasize that he was passing along word that there's Dr types who are skeptical that he's going to avoid another surgery. That was the thrust.

[deedub75]

The invoices for season tickets will be going out soon. The Colts leaked out the information that Luck is in LA working with QB gurus but gave no indication on any actual throwing progress. 

[GusFring]

2 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

A throwing program that is rehab from surgery or having been shutdown form a setback from surgery recovery can take a couple/few months... just to be ready for actual foot ball drills/practice.  Getting a handle on the mechanics early in rehab is preferred over poor mechanics in the rehab process that could lead to further setbacks.  Working with Tom House, while a good sign, is not indicative that he is ready (or even close to it) to throw in a 7 on 7 o 11 on 11 with people rushing in on him, blocking throwing lanes with their bodies/arms, and moving hiom off his spot and making him throw on the run.  That is so much more demanding than just throwing. It could be months before they put him under that type duress.  That is where he failed at his last recovery attempt. If he still has damage in his shoulder that needs addressed, even the greatest mechanics may not be enough to get him where he needs to be to be 'football ready'.  We all hope there is no damage and recover goes well.  But it will be some time  before we know.  Mark my words.

 

 

I respect Mort for reporting facts or highly credible inside information. However, I do not he is qualified to render an opinion on Andrew Luck's surgeon, Marc R. Safran M.D. : Chief of Sports Medicine and Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the Stanford University Medical Center.

And I'll repeat this information until I'm blue in the face if necessary.

 

https://ortho.stanford.edu/faculty/sports.html

 

And yes, one of his sub specialties is shoulder dislocation, throwers shoulder, and shoulder stabilization surgery.

 

https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/marc-safran

 

I think Mort has experience from his son needing a surgeon. Its 1 thing to perform that surgery on a regular person. Or even a collegiate athlete. But are pro pitchers and qbs flying to him to get work done. I think that was Mort's point. It's probably only a handful of surgeons in the entire country that an elite thrower would trust to cut on their throwing shoulder, is the guy Luck used one? 

[IinD]

We'll only have to wait a few more months at most. If they draft someone at #3, uh oh, or if he's not throwing by camp, I'll assume he's very damaged or won't play again.

 

If 18 months isn't enough time, he's toast.

 

jmo

[richard pallo]

1 hour ago, GusFring said:

I think Mort has experience from his son needing a surgeon. Its 1 thing to perform that surgery on a regular person. Or even a collegiate athlete. But are pro pitchers and qbs flying to him to get work done. I think that was Mort's point. It's probably only a handful of surgeons in the entire country that an elite thrower would trust to cut on their throwing shoulder, is the guy Luck used one? 

I would trust that Luck, a Stanford grad no less, is smart enough to do his research and choose the right man to do his surgery.  I have no doubt he spent an inordinate amount of time doing his homework before he made his choice. 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

4 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

Since when has Mort become an expert in medical issues?

Mort travels a lot. He stays at many hotels. Obviously one of them was a Holiday Inn.

[NewColtsFan]

6 hours ago, GusFring said:

Mort has been very critical on Luck's handling of this. Even criticized the surgeon he chosed. 

 

I suspect you're mischaracterizing Morts comments.    Mort is an information man.   He is not a columnist or an analyst.

 

He might comment.   He might question.  He might wonder why.    

 

But being critical or criticizing is NOT Mort's way.     At all. 

[ColtsBlueFL]

7 hours ago, GusFring said:

I think Mort has experience from his son needing a surgeon. Its 1 thing to perform that surgery on a regular person. Or even a collegiate athlete. But are pro pitchers and qbs flying to him to get work done. I think that was Mort's point. It's probably only a handful of surgeons in the entire country that an elite thrower would trust to cut on their throwing shoulder, is the guy Luck used one? 

 

You mean a handful of top sport medicine surgeons on a short list? One that, "according  to  those  in-the-know, there are 19 high echelon sports medicine specialists  in  the  U.S.  who  are extraordinarily  equipped  to  meet  the needs of athletes" ? A list that include the likes of Dr. James Andrews, and Dr. Neal   ElAttrache?  Where Dr. Safran is also listed on it too?  OK!! Here it is-

 

http://www.briancolemd.com/wp-content/themes/ypo-theme/pdf/02-05-13-eh-the-top-19-us-sports-medicine-specialists.pdf

 

People see his research and advancements in hip arthroscopy and think he is 'just' a hip doctor; which he is not. But it is a notable achievement in its own right.

 

There are many.  If I was an elite throwing athlete, I would consider Dr. ElAttache, Dr. Andrews, Dr. Altchek, Dr. Kremchek, Dr....  so many, too many to list.

[ColtsBlueFL]

13 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

I suspect you're mischaracterizing Morts comments.    Mort is an information man.   He is not a columnist or an analyst.

 

He might comment.   He might question.  He might wonder why.    

 

But being critical or criticizing is NOT Mort's way.     At all. 

 

Maybe, but this is one of his quotes-

 

" The team doctors didn’t do the botched procedure. Andrew Luck chose his surgeon,” Mortensen said. “He chose Dr. [Marc] Safran at Stanford University. The patient gets to make the final choice and Andrew made the final choice.”

 

So people will infer that as they will.

[GusFring]

10 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

You mean a handful of top sport medicine surgeons on a short list? One that, "according  to  those  in-the-know, there are 19 high echelon sports medicine specialists  in  the  U.S.  who  are extraordinarily  equipped  to  meet  the needs of athletes" ? A list that include the likes of Dr. James Andrews, and Dr. Neal   ElAttrache?  Where Dr. Safran is also listed on it too?  OK!! Here it is-

 

http://www.briancolemd.com/wp-content/themes/ypo-theme/pdf/02-05-13-eh-the-top-19-us-sports-medicine-specialists.pdf

 

People see his research and advancements in hip arthroscopy and think he is 'just' a hip doctor; which he is not. But it is a notable achievement in its own right.

 

There are many.  If I was an elite throwing athlete, I would consider Dr. ElAttache, Dr. Andrews, Dr. Altchek, Dr. Kremchek, Dr....  so many, too many to list.

I assume the hip is his specialty. He probably has people flying all over with hip issues. But, it sounds like they're shoulder specialist that are ahead of him as far as shoulder procedures go

[ColtsBlueFL]

{ Sigh } I am so tired of posting this-

 

Yes hip is one of his specialties, but so is shoulder stabilization surgery. This listed on Standford's web site about him:

 

Specialties

• Hip arthroscopy
• Sports medicine and arthroscopy
• Elbow arthroscopy and ligament surgery
• Knee ligament reconstruction
• Shoulder stability surgery

 

Along with-

 

Fellowship

• Sports Medicine and Shoulder Surgery Fellowship, University of Pittsburgh

 

Finally-

 

Memberships/Affiliations

• American Shoulder and Elbow Surgeons
• American Board of Orthopaedic Surgery
• American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons
• American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine
• International Society of Knee Surgery, Arthroscopy and Orthopaedic Sports Medicine
•  

It's all (and a little more) right here:

http://ortho.stanford.edu/sports-medicine/marc-safran-profile.html

 

So I now demand that people provide at least some credible evidence to support any allegation by anyone that Luck made an improper decision to go with a surgeon of this caliber, one that he likely already had strong trust and a relationship with while at Stanford.

 

[NewColtsFan]

2 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Maybe, but this is one of his quotes-

 

" The team doctors didn’t do the botched procedure. Andrew Luck chose his surgeon,” Mortensen said. “He chose Dr. [Marc] Safran at Stanford University. The patient gets to make the final choice and Andrew made the final choice.”

 

So people will infer that as they will.

 

I would need to hear the full interview to have a better idea of Mort's meaning.

 

[ColtsBlueFL]

45 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

I would need to hear the full interview to have a better idea of Mort's meaning.

 

 

Same.  I believe  heard he walked it back at another point, if the original quote was accurate in the first instance. Yet, it's hard to derail 'false info or even half truths, once out there. Like 'Dr. Safran is 'just' a hip doctor'.  Which I've shown is just not the case.  Yet there will countless folks that never see this counter of mine and will believe Luck had a normal Joe physician operate on his 120 million dollar shoulder.

[gspdx]

1 hour ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

{ Sigh } I am so tired of posting this-

 

Yes hip is one of his specialties, but so is shoulder stabilization surgery. This listed on Standford's web site about him:

 

Specialties

• Hip arthroscopy
• Sports medicine and arthroscopy
• Elbow arthroscopy and ligament surgery
• Knee ligament reconstruction
• Shoulder stability surgery

 

Along with-

 

Fellowship

• Sports Medicine and Shoulder Surgery Fellowship, University of Pittsburgh

 

Finally-

 

Memberships/Affiliations

• American Shoulder and Elbow Surgeons
• American Board of Orthopaedic Surgery
• American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons
• American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine
• International Society of Knee Surgery, Arthroscopy and Orthopaedic Sports Medicine
•  

It's all (and a little more) right here:

http://ortho.stanford.edu/sports-medicine/marc-safran-profile.html

 

So I now demand that people provide at least some credible evidence to support any allegation by anyone that Luck made an improper decision to go with a surgeon of this caliber, one that he likely already had strong trust and a relationship with while at Stanford.

 

Are you trying to assert that this guy knows what he is doing?  All those credentials are meaningless.  The fans have decided that he is a quack and probably ruined Luck's career.

 

Stop with the facts already.  It's just silly.

[ColtsBlueFL]

It's got to be Stanford.  They let that dude in to be Chief and Professor of Sports Medicine, and some other dude named Andrew to take classes and play QB for their college football team.

 

/sarcasm off ...

[IinD]

6 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

It's got to be Stanford.  They let that dude in to be Chief and Professor of Sports Medicine, and some other dude named Andrew to take classes and play QB for their college football team.

 

/sarcasm off ...

Lol, so true. 

 

I hate when people talk about 'botched' surgeries. Like these guys are getting cut open with hangers in a back alley by some guy who watched some episodes of Grey's Anatomy to learn about medicine.

[ColtsBlueFL]

On 2/4/2018 at 6:21 PM, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

Mort travels a lot. He stays at many hotels. Obviously one of them was a Holiday Inn.

 

Well that's the problem, fully identified.  One has to stay at a Holiday Inn EXPRESS!   (Not a Holiday Inn !!)

 

 

;)

;-)