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Is it possible for Chuck to move down to Defensive Coordinator next season? How likely is this?

 

 

I know it would be quite unusual. His time management, and calls on short downs are extremely questionable. I have also noticed the same pattern of plays being run on 1st and 2nd down for... well; his entire tenure in Indy, regardless of OC. Could he be similar to some of the other great defensive minds in the league? (Wade, Rex). Great coordinators, but definitely questionable with game management as a whole. 

 

Pagano to DC

Monnachino to LB coach

New HC

New OC

 

It would be a split staff, but I think this is VERY possible. And I think we might see something like this next season.

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2 minutes ago, AustinnKaine said:

Is it possible for Chuck to move down to Defensive Coordinator next season? How likely is this?

 

 

I know it would be quite unusual. His time management, and calls on short downs are extremely questionable. I have also noticed the same pattern of plays being run on 1st and 2nd down for... well; his entire tenure in Indy, regardless of OC. Could he be similar to some of the other great defensive minds in the league? (Wade, Rex). Great coordinators, but definitely questionable with game management as a whole. 

 

Pagano to DC

Monnachino to LB coach

New HC

New OC

 

It would be a split staff, but I think this is VERY possible. And I think we might see something like this next season.

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Please no........if the mantra "competition, earn your spot" is to be believed it has to apply to the coaches too......they've done nothing to develop young players since 2012.  I don't want pags and company anywhere near our '18 draft class.  Time to move on....

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11 minutes ago, Shadow_Creek said:

ill only say this once. Ahem when pagano left the ravens, The very next year they went to the Superbowl. Nuff said 

 

A lot of things happened that year with the Ravens.     Chuck leaving had nothing to do with them making the Super Bowl.

 

There's no connection.

 

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1 hour ago, AustinnKaine said:

Is it possible for Chuck to move down to Defensive Coordinator next season? How likely is this?

 

 

I know it would be quite unusual. His time management, and calls on short downs are extremely questionable. I have also noticed the same pattern of plays being run on 1st and 2nd down for... well; his entire tenure in Indy, regardless of OC. Could he be similar to some of the other great defensive minds in the league? (Wade, Rex). Great coordinators, but definitely questionable with game management as a whole. 

 

Pagano to DC

Monnachino to LB coach

New HC

New OC

 

It would be a split staff, but I think this is VERY possible. And I think we might see something like this next season.

 

To answer your question.....

 

No.    The chances of this happening are zero.      You don't want any old baggage for the new coaching and the staff that he brings in.       It's a clean break for everyone.

 

Besides,  neither Pagano or Monachino would want to stay with demotions.      They can go elsewhere and get a fresh start there.....

 

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15 hours ago, AustinnKaine said:

Is it possible for Chuck to move down to Defensive Coordinator next season? How likely is this?

 

 

I know it would be quite unusual. His time management, and calls on short downs are extremely questionable. I have also noticed the same pattern of plays being run on 1st and 2nd down for... well; his entire tenure in Indy, regardless of OC. Could he be similar to some of the other great defensive minds in the league? (Wade, Rex). Great coordinators, but definitely questionable with game management as a whole. 

 

Pagano to DC

Monnachino to LB coach

New HC

New OC

 

It would be a split staff, but I think this is VERY possible. And I think we might see something like this next season.

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16 hours ago, AustinnKaine said:

Is it possible for Chuck to move down to Defensive Coordinator next season? How likely is this?

 

 

I know it would be quite unusual. His time management, and calls on short downs are extremely questionable. I have also noticed the same pattern of plays being run on 1st and 2nd down for... well; his entire tenure in Indy, regardless of OC. Could he be similar to some of the other great defensive minds in the league? (Wade, Rex). Great coordinators, but definitely questionable with game management as a whole. 

 

Pagano to DC

Monnachino to LB coach

New HC

New OC

 

It would be a split staff, but I think this is VERY possible. And I think we might see something like this next season.

No because there would be a conflict of interest.     Chucks been here for years and if a new HC is brought in and we did allow Chuck to move to DC the new HC would have to operate his team with someone that may have ill will for being fired.   You don't want to be looking over your shoulders.   I haven't seen any situation for as long as I've been watching football where the HC is fired and then retained as the DC or for that matter any other position on that same team.   

 

Secondly I doubt Chuck would want to accept a DC position on the same team he got fired from.      Chuck may not even want to be a coordinator anywhere again.   With most of them once they reach HC status and have some success at it they usually don't move back down to a coordinator role.  Unless it's a guy who is really just a Coordinator at heart like Wade Phillips,  Dick Lebeau, etc.

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1 hour ago, J@son said:

 

Based on what? 

he was only DC for ONE, REPEAT, ONE year.  He took over an already stacked Ravens Defense. a defense that was ranked 3rd overall going into the 2011 season in which he was DC.  Prior to that, he was a secondary coach for the Ravens, which ironically enough, was ranked just 21st in passing defense in the league from 2008-2010, the season's Pagano was the secondary coach.  If you look, whats interesting is that the Raven's D overall didnt budge one way or the other when Pagano took over, but when he took over, the Passing D improved from the 21st ranked passing D with problems creating turnovers, to the 4th ranked passing D and improved to number 1 in the league against allowing passing TDs.  Now, was that a product of Pagano as DC or was it the new secondary coach that took over for Pagano?  Personally, I think Grigs and Irsay didn't look deep enough at Pagano and made a Huge mistake hiring him and even bigger keeping him.  

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17 hours ago, AustinnKaine said:

Is it possible for Chuck to move down to Defensive Coordinator next season? How likely is this?

 

 

I know it would be quite unusual. His time management, and calls on short downs are extremely questionable. I have also noticed the same pattern of plays being run on 1st and 2nd down for... well; his entire tenure in Indy, regardless of OC. Could he be similar to some of the other great defensive minds in the league? (Wade, Rex). Great coordinators, but definitely questionable with game management as a whole. 

 

Pagano to DC

Monnachino to LB coach

New HC

New OC

 

It would be a split staff, but I think this is VERY possible. And I think we might see something like this next season.

 

Why would you do that? We've all seen what his defense is capable of. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, krunk said:

No because there would be a conflict of interest.     Chucks been here for years and if a new HC is brought in and we did allow Chuck to move to DC the new HC would have to operate his team with someone that may have ill will for being fired.   You don't want to be looking over your shoulders.   I haven't seen any situation for as long as I've been watching football where the HC is fired and then retained as the DC or for that matter any other position on that same team.   

 

Secondly I doubt Chuck would want to accept a DC position on the same team he got fired from.      Chuck may not even want to be a coordinator anywhere again.   With most of them once they reach HC status and have some success at it they usually don't move back down to a coordinator role.  Unless it's a guy who is really just a Coordinator at heart like Wade Phillips,  Dick Lebeau, etc.

Agree whole heartily with your first parahraph.  Second, there are a ton of cases where a semi-successful HC became a coord. again.

 

Mike Tice, Mike Martz are two examples.

 

But to OP's question.  No and I agree there is not enough evidence that he was a good DC.  He had one year with a stacked D that included Ray Lewis, Suggs, Reed and Ngata.  (however his name is spelled).

 

I don't think Pagano is as bad as many on this forum (nonsense about no half time adjustments and not developing young players are comments made by, IMO, the uninformed and people who know next to nothing about football).  But I've never really been a fan.  I remember when a lot of fans wanted to get rid of Caldwell they claimed he had a stacked roster when they went 14-2 and then the SB.  But thought Chuck would be great because he lead the Ravens D.  Never considering how stacked that D was.  Oh well.  Pagano has 8 more games in Indy.  Might as well grin and bare it.

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4 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Agree whole heartily with your first parahraph.  Second, there are a ton of cases where a semi-successful HC became a coord. again.

 

Mike Tice, Mike Martz are two examples.

 

But to OP's question.  No and I agree there is not enough evidence that he was a good DC.  He had one year with a stacked D that included Ray Lewis, Suggs, Reed and Ngata.  (however his name is spelled).

 

I don't think Pagano is as bad as many on this forum (nonsense about no half time adjustments and not developing young players are comments made by, IMO, the uninformed and people who know next to nothing about football).  But I've never really been a fan.  I remember when a lot of fans wanted to get rid of Caldwell they claimed he had a stacked roster when they went 14-2 and then the SB.  But thought Chuck would be great because he lead the Ravens D.  Never considering how stacked that D was.  Oh well.  Pagano has 8 more games in Indy.  Might as well grin and bare it.

I think we are on the same page but most of those guys you mentioned are really nothing more than Coordinators when it all boils down to it.   That's basically where they are best suited.   The guys who really are head coach material usually dont go back down that road.

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1 hour ago, csmopar said:

he was only DC for ONE, REPEAT, ONE year.  He took over an already stacked Ravens Defense. a defense that was ranked 3rd overall going into the 2011 season in which he was DC.  Prior to that, he was a secondary coach for the Ravens, which ironically enough, was ranked just 21st in passing defense in the league from 2008-2010, the season's Pagano was the secondary coach.  If you look, whats interesting is that the Raven's D overall didnt budge one way or the other when Pagano took over, but when he took over, the Passing D improved from the 21st ranked passing D with problems creating turnovers, to the 4th ranked passing D and improved to number 1 in the league against allowing passing TDs.  Now, was that a product of Pagano as DC or was it the new secondary coach that took over for Pagano?  Personally, I think Grigs and Irsay didn't look deep enough at Pagano and made a Huge mistake hiring him and even bigger keeping him.  

 

I get all that and I could understand if you'd said his ability as a DC is in question because of all that but I don't get how all of that means he wasn't very good as a DC

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3 minutes ago, J@son said:

 

I get all that and I could understand if you'd said his ability as a DC is in question because of all that but I don't get how all of that means he wasn't very good as a DC

Re-read what I originally said.  I said he wasn't that great.  And in all honesty, with only 1 year to judge,I don't think we can honestly say that he was any good or bad.  Those Raven defenses were so good that even my 3 year old daughter would look like a Defensive guru taking over the reigns to them.

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8 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Re-read what I originally said.  I said he wasn't that great.  And in all honesty, with only 1 year to judge,I don't think we can honestly say that he was any good or bad.  Those Raven defenses were so good that even my 3 year old daughter would look like a Defensive guru taking over the reigns to them.

 

And again I agree with all that so imo saying he wasn't that great is unfair since we really don't know. 

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2 minutes ago, csmopar said:

It's pretty obvious that he wasn't to me.

 

you're talking out both sides of your mouth now...

 

22 minutes ago, csmopar said:

  And in all honesty, with only 1 year to judge,I don't think we can honestly say that he was any good or bad. 

 

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3 minutes ago, J@son said:

 

you're talking out both sides of your mouth now...

 

 

sorry, let me clarify.  I don't think we can fairly or honestly judge him on a single season.  That being said, I'm saying that about his time as a DC at Baltimore. When i say he's not been good to great, I'm judging that on his time here in Indy. 

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4 minutes ago, csmopar said:

sorry, let me clarify.  I don't think we can fairly or honestly judge him on a single season.  That being said, I'm saying that about his time as a DC at Baltimore. When i say he's not been good to great, I'm judging that on his time here in Indy. 

 

ok that definitely makes more sense, but at the same time I'd point out that he hasn't been the DC here in Indy.  Unfortunately we really don't know how much input he's had. despite the stats, I do like what they've been trying to do with the defense here.  They just haven't had much talent to work with (up until this season really) and injuries in the secondary have killed us the past couple of years.  Overall though I do like the direction they've been trying to go though.  

 

I hope that whoever comes in as HC next year brings a DC that will run a similar style of 3-4 but with much better playcalling and game planning.  

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ok that definitely makes more sense, but at the same time I'd point out that he hasn't been the DC here in Indy.  Unfortunately we really don't know how much input he's had. despite the stats, I do like what they've been trying to do with the defense here.  They just haven't had much talent to work with (up until this season really) and injuries in the secondary have killed us the past couple of years.  Overall though I do like the direction they've been trying to go though.  

 

I hope that whoever comes in as HC next year brings a DC that will run a similar style of 3-4 but with much better playcalling and game planning.  

As a head coach with defensive experience, if you see that your DC is struggling with calling plays or scheme, you step in and help.  We've had 2 different DCs and both have sucked, actually, come to think of it, maybe it is that Chuck is calling the plays and that's the problem.  What I find weird is that we have two guys rumored to be gurus at CB(chuck) and again at LB(Ted) but yet those are arguably the worst two positions we have on D! 90 % of which is scheme related

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Just now, csmopar said:

As a head coach with defensive experience, if you see that your DC is struggling with calling plays or scheme, you step in and help.  We've had 2 different DCs and both have sucked, actually, come to think of it, maybe it is that Chuck is calling the plays and that's the problem.  What I find weird is that we have two guys rumored to be gurus at CB(chuck) and again at LB(Ted) but yet those are arguably the worst two positions we have on D! 90 % of which is scheme related

 

That's one way to look at it.  But on the flip side, they also took guys like Mathias Farley and Rashaan Melvin and have turned them into pretty good players.  both guys were on the streets last year when the Colts had to find bodies because Davis, Robinson and Butler all got hurt before the season even started.  I'd call the secondary issues 50% lack of talent and 50% poor playcalling/scheming.

 

As for the LBs, I think our OLBs are all playing pretty well overall.  It's the ILBs that really struggle.  Again I'd call that 50% lack of talent and 50% poor playcalling/scheming.  

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21 hours ago, AustinnKaine said:

Is it possible for Chuck to move down to Defensive Coordinator next season? How likely is this?

 

 

I know it would be quite unusual. His time management, and calls on short downs are extremely questionable. I have also noticed the same pattern of plays being run on 1st and 2nd down for... well; his entire tenure in Indy, regardless of OC. Could he be similar to some of the other great defensive minds in the league? (Wade, Rex). Great coordinators, but definitely questionable with game management as a whole. 

 

Pagano to DC

Monnachino to LB coach

New HC

New OC

 

It would be a split staff, but I think this is VERY possible. And I think we might see something like this next season.

I could be wrong,   but I don't think that has ever happened

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20 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

A lot of things happened that year with the Ravens.     Chuck leaving had nothing to do with them making the Super Bowl.

 

There's no connection.

 

After reading a few of your recent posts, I'm curious as to where you stand on Pagano?  Do you want him gone or no?

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After 9 weeks Karas has an 83.9 run-blocking grade and an overall PFF grade of 87.4.  Overall, 86.3 PFF grade with just one penalty and 1 QB hurry on 296 total snaps.  Decent height 6’4” ·         RT Josh Fryar (OSU) - 2023 earned college football midseason all-America Honorable Mention.  Fryar finished 2023 with a 70.8 overall PFF grade.  Great height 6’6”.  Finished with a 70.8 PFF grade.  Gave up a team high 5 sacks but did earn a 77.2 run blocking grade and a 71.2 pass blocking grade. ·         LG Rush Reimer (Cal) – In 2023 Reimer earned first-team All-Big Sky Conference at LG with an overall 75.8 PFF Grade (D1-T8) at Montana State.  See how he does against better CFB competition.  Project goes UDFA much like Jake Kubas (7) (NY Giants), Ross Palmer (3), and (2) Donny Ventrelli (Bears).  Could be the next Mason McCormick (6) drafted by the Steelers P119 in the 2024 NFL draft.  Montana State used a lot of Inside Zone runs.  Cal has Reimer listed as backup LT for 2024. ·         RT/OG Grey Zabel (North Dakota State) 6’6” 296 pounds.  Zabel finished 2023 with an overall 79.3 PFF Grade as an OG.  Finished 10th among other listed tackles last season.  As a guard would have been 4th best D1.  Zabel started all 15 games in 2023 with 3 at guard and 12 at RT. ·         RB Harrison Waylee (Wyoming) – In 2023 clocked 21.8 mph in Week 4 T18 fastest player. ·         RB/KR Lan Larison (UC Davis) finished 2023 tied 7th overall FCS RB with an overall 89.2 PFF Grade (R5) in D1.  On 178 carries rushed for 1101 yards scoring 13 TDS while adding two more through the air on 21 REC for 198 yards.  Larison was the 2023 Big Sky Offensive Player of the Year.  In 2021 averaged 29.91 yards as a kick returner and 21.9 yards in 2022. ·         SWR/RB/KR/PR Chris Tyree (ND) 4.29s-forty speed excellent 3.95s shuttle (HS) and 38” vertical (HS).  In 2023 Week 9 clocked 21.0 mph. ·         WRX/Z Bo Belquist (North Dakota) 2023 overall 88.6 PFF Grade.  For D1 graded out as one of the top 10 WRs behind Hayden Hatten 86.1 whom the Seahawks added as an UDFA. ·         SWR Jacob De Jesus (UNLV) – best PR/KR #3 in PR and #13 in KR.  De Jesus was a top nomination to win the Jet Award in 2023 who was given to Zachariah Branch (USC). ·         WR-X Dymere Miller (Rutgers) – 2023 College Football FCS All-America Team with Monmouth.  Miller finished as the best receiver (D1) in 2023 with a 92.3 PFF grade (only behind Nabers).  Monmouth ran an inside zone with three different concepts in its base A gap zone.  Also pinched in as a kickoff returner with success (13.67 and 12.5 avgs). ·         WR Isaac TeSlaa (Arkansas) – Great Midwest American Conference Offensive Player of the Year in 2022 and received Honorable Mention All-American.  Strengths are ball tracking, hands, athleticism, 50/50 extraordinaire. ·         LEdge Aaron Lewis (Rutgers) - 2022 PFF Weeks 6 and 12 honors.  A disappointing 2023 season compared to 2022 grading 10 points lower.  (75.9 in 2023 compared to 85.5 in 2022).  Poor run-defense grade of 59.8 but was still an elite pass rusher.  His 91.5 pass-rushing grade since 2022 ranks 10th among all FBS edge defenders and his 18.7% pass-rush win rate places 11th in Power Five.  Needs to improve his run game. ·         Jack OLB/RDE Steve Linton (Baylor) – Linton transferred to Baylor from Texas Tech.  Injury prone, in 2023 suffered a broken thumb in August, sprained ankle in Big 12 opener vs West Virginia, aggravated it the following week then missed the last four games of regular season with back problems.  72% tackling, 88% pass rush, 61% run defense, 72% coverage.  Decent 4.62s-forty speed and 6’5” 235 pounds. ·         NCB Yam Banks (Ole’ Miss) - Made 2022 PFF College All-America Second Team while playing at South Alabama.  For 2024 listed as backup.  In 2022 Banks was a first-team All-Sun Belt pick and third team in 2023.  In 45 games, Banks racked up 147 TOT, 7 INT (6 in 2022 T3 in nation). ·         LCB Tommi Hill (Nebraska) – 4.55s forty speed.  In 2023 had an outstanding QB rating when targeted of 38.6.  With another solid year Hill could move up.  ·         FS Saiku White (Lafayette) - In 2023 White moved from SS to FS and had a career year with a final 2023 defense grade 91.4 best for 2nd, pass rush grade 74.4, a 90.7 coverage grade 4th best, and an 80.7 run defense grade 98th.   Team Captain. Achieved a 3.75 GPA in 2023. ·         LS Byron Floyd (PITT) – Floyds 81.7 grade this season leads all FBS LS.  Of his 41 LS on both punts/kicks only one has been charted as off-target.  Does have ties to Colts new DL coach.  Luke Rhodes, age 32, signed a 4-year contract extension on 09/23.  ·         LS Nick Barcelos (Nevada) - 2023 college football midseason all-America Second Team as a long snapper – Luke Rhodes signed a 4-year extension with the Colts September 8th, 2023.
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