Conley Could be Drafted per Rapoport

[UKColt13]

'After doing in-depth investigating into #OSU CB Gareon Conley’s situation, teams do believe he’ll be drafted now. 3 GMs predict third round.'

 

@rapsheet.    27.4.17 

[BCoop]

Also....

 

 

 

[MPStack]

It`s now being reported possible 1st round, so that's very good news.

[dgambill]

1 minute ago, UKColt13 said:

'After doing in-depth investigating into #OSU CB Gareon Conley’s situation, teams do believe he’ll be drafted now. 3 GMs predict third round.'

 

@rapsheet.    27.4.17 

Probably should go in the other thread. I'm pretty sure its been mentioned in there. If we were a team without so many pressing needs then we could gamble on him but hard to do that when we likely need a starting corner or two out of this draft and we can't be certain whats going on with his issues. Sad story all around.

[BCoop]

3 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Probably should go in the other thread. I'm pretty sure its been mentioned in there. If we were a team without so many pressing needs then we could gamble on him but hard to do that when we likely need a starting corner or two out of this draft and we can't be certain whats going on with his issues. Sad story all around.

 

I think any of us stating anything definitively would be a bit rash at this point. It sounds like multiple GM's have decided in short order they aren't worried about it. That tells me they have access to information we don't. 

 

Anyone can make an accusation. For decision makers to be comfortable with him in the 1st round at this point (if true) is pretty telling. JMO of course.

[dgambill]

4 minutes ago, MPStack said:

It`s now being reported possible 1st round, so that's very good news.

I think I had him still going to Arizona at 13 in my mock. I figured unless more negative news came out there would be some teams willing to take him in the first. It's a roll of the dice but his value was possibly top 10 before everything came out.

[dgambill]

1 minute ago, BCoop said:

 

I think any of us stating anything definitively would be a bit rash at this point. It sounds like multiple GM's have decided in short order they aren't worried about it. That tells me they have access to information we don't. 

 

Anyone can make an accusation. For decision makers to be comfortable with him in the 1st round at this point (if true) is pretty telling. JMO of course.

I don't think it is rash to just state the information that is out there. The woman deserves just as much the benefit of the doubt as the young man here....she also went through a rape kit which is a terribly invasive and humiliating procedure and questioning from the police. With so much uncertainty its impossible to tell who's truth is correct at this point and the fact that either she went through a horrible event or Gareon is going through a horrible event its sad either way. Since the police don't even have the full facts yet I don't see how a football team that has had less than 48 hours to investigate would have any more and that to me is where the uncertainty comes in and probably disqualifies a lot of teams from taking this kid at what his talent says....us probably one of those teams. However there are other teams that aren't as risk adverse or in a better position to whether a potential bad pick that will be willing to still take him in the first. Arizona to me was that team and that is why I mocked him to them.

[UKColt13]

If I'm honest, hasn't been arrested, hasn't been charged. Hasnt even been questioned by the police yet. 

 

Call me crazy, but Id probably still take him at #15

[BCoop]

5 minutes ago, dgambill said:

I don't think it is rash to just state the information that is out there. The woman deserves just as much the benefit of the doubt as the young man here....she also went through a rape kit which is a terribly invasive and humiliating procedure and questioning from the police. With so much uncertainty its impossible to tell who's truth is correct at this point and the fact that either she went through a horrible event or Gareon is going through a horrible event its sad either way. Since the police don't even have the full facts yet I don't see how a football team that has had less than 48 hours to investigate would have any more and that to me is where the uncertainty comes in and probably disqualifies a lot of teams from taking this kid at what his talent says....us probably one of those teams. However there are other teams that aren't as risk adverse or in a better position to whether a potential bad pick that will be willing to still take him in the first. Arizona to me was that team and that is why I mocked him to them.

 

You're making a lot of assumptions about what is or isn't known. None of us on this forum know for sure the circumstances of the case.

 

What we do know is that there have been no charges. We also are now hearing that the people that are in charge of making these decisions, the same people that have run for the hills at any hint of uncertainly in prior prospects (La'el Collins?), are saying they're comfortable drafting him in the 1st round. I don't think there is a single owner/GM in the league that would be so cavalier around spending such a valuable asset on someone if they weren't certain of the circumstances.

[dgambill]

1 minute ago, BCoop said:

 

You're making a lot of assumptions about what is or isn't known. None of us on this forum know for sure the circumstances of the case.

 

What we do know is that there have been no charges. We also are now hearing that the people that are in charge of making these decisions, the same people that have run for the hills at any hint of uncertainly in prior prospects (La'el Collins?), are saying they're comfortable drafting him in the 1st round. I don't think there is a single owner/GM in the league that would be so cavalier around spending such a valuable asset on someone if they weren't certain of the circumstances.

Only assumption I made was that I don't know anything...and that for a team that has a very conservative history in the draft with player issues and with a roster that needs to hit at a high percentage to get this team turned back around would quote "probably" be one that would pass on him. All I said was let it play out in the court system.

It's unfortunate that it playing out probably won't happen before the draft but for a team like the Colts I can't see us taking that risk. I did say many other teams would. Don't see the issue.

[ColtsBlitz]

17 minutes ago, UKColt13 said:

If I'm honest, hasn't been arrested, hasn't been charged. Hasnt even been questioned by the police yet. 

 

Call me crazy, but Id probably still take him at #15

Chance he's the BPA

[BCoop]

5 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Only assumption I made was that I don't know anything...and that for a team that has a very conservative history in the draft with player issues and with a roster that needs to hit at a high percentage to get this team turned back around would quote "probably" be one that would pass on him. All I said was let it play out in the court system.

It's unfortunate that it playing out probably won't happen before the draft but for a team like the Colts I can't see us taking that risk. I did say many other teams would. Don't see the issue.

 

That's not what you said originally. You originally called him a gamble and a risk. I stated that it would be rash for us to state that definitively right now. As fans, we may not have all the information surrounding the case. It is entirely possible for GM's in the league to have more insight that would remove any potential risk label from Conley as prospect. 

 

If the due diligence has been done in the front office and CB knows without a doubt that Conley isn't a risk and has been falsely accused, he's a good value at 15. There's no need to pass on him because of public perception if that's the case.

[dgambill]

1 minute ago, BCoop said:

 

That's not what you said originally. You originally called him a gamble and a risk. I stated that it would be rash for us to state that definitively right now. As fans, we may not have all the information surrounding the case. It is entirely possible for GM's in the league to have more insight that would remove any potential risk label from Conley as prospect. 

 

If the due diligence has been done in the front office and CB knows without a doubt that Conley isn't a risk and has been falsely accused, he's a good value at 15. There's no need to pass on him because of public perception if that's the case.

Sorry, there are multiple threads on this....which was why I said it should have been merged. In another thread I said why are we trying this in the court of public opinion with no information. Let it play out in the legal system where it belongs. That said there is a gamble and risk involved in this....beyond even the fact if he will ball out on the field. He has been named by a young lady that he raped her. People don't have to take sides on who to believe. Right now there is enough info on both sides that I can't see how anyone can honestly sit here and say its a safe bet this will blow over....thus the gamble and risk involved...which in my own modest opinion don't think the Colts are the team to take on additional risk outside of his on field performance with the 15th pick in the draft. I'm not sure how a GM given the information available and what they could reasonably attain in about 24hrs could reduce that risk to zero on this event. Thus I said there are some that are not as risk adverse or more comfortable with taking players under these conditions will still decide to take him in the first. The report earlier was some teams think he would go in the third...thus every GM is not seeing this the same way....and the information available is not perfect. Now it could be teams saw him as third rd talent to begin with or we are getting misinformation but I think it is reasonable to say some teams comfort with the situation has pushed him out of the first rd and I would guess Indy would be one of those based on their history with character question marks.

[BCoop]

2 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Sorry, there are multiple threads on this....which was why I said it should have been merged. In another thread I said why are we trying this in the court of public opinion with no information. Let it play out in the legal system where it belongs. That said there is a gamble and risk involved in this....beyond even the fact if he will ball out on the field. He has been named by a young lady that he raped her. People don't have to take sides on who to believe. Right now there is enough info on both sides that I can't see how anyone can honestly sit here and say its a safe bet this will blow over....thus the gamble and risk involved...which in my own modest opinion don't think the Colts are the team to take on additional risk outside of his on field performance with the 15th pick in the draft. I'm not sure how a GM given the information available and what they could reasonably attain in about 24hrs could reduce that risk to zero on this event. Thus I said there are some that are not as risk adverse or more comfortable with taking players under these conditions will still decide to take him in the first. The report earlier was some teams think he would go in the third...thus every GM is not seeing this the same way....and the information available is not perfect. Now it could be teams saw him as third rd talent to begin with or we are getting misinformation but I think it is reasonable to say some teams comfort with the situation has pushed him out of the first rd and I would guess Indy would be one of those based on their history with character question marks.

 

That's all fine. I get where you're coming from. I am just making the assumption that there's a chance GM's may know more than what has been leaked in the media, especially if the rumors of video surveillance being available are true. I didn't mean to advocate one way or the other for his innocence. So, I don't want that to be misconstrued. We will see what happens tonight!

[buccolts]

I'd rather pick him up in the 2nd, and get someone else at 15, but maybe that's not possible now.

[bananabucket]

It's a complete joke if he even falls out of the first.  Everyone on the planet knows he didnt do anything wrong.

[Luck is Good]

It was some broad trying to get money. Gold diggas everywhere man. Not surprised that was the case. If it's possible he could truly get drafted in the 1st round, Colts have to take him if given the opportunity

[Superman]

I wonder if there's insurance for this. There are injury protection policies, I wonder if you can get insurance that protects you from a false claim or weird occurrence like what happened with La'el Collins...

[Luck is Good]

To add to that, I wouldn't mind any of the three Ohio State defensive players. I would be ecstatic with any of the three of Lattimore, Conley and Hooker

[BCoop]

Just now, Superman said:

I wonder if there's insurance for this. There are injury protection policies, I wonder if you can get insurance that protects you from a false claim or weird occurrence like what happened with La'el Collins...

I would assume Lloyd's of London insures all sorts of scenarios like this. Considering Conley's clean reputation before the accusation, I would guess that would have been an easy write.

 

If there's not, and it officially comes out that it was a false accusation, that girl will be paying out a very large lawsuit for a long time.

[csmopar]

4 minutes ago, Superman said:

I wonder if there's insurance for this. There are injury protection policies, I wonder if you can get insurance that protects you from a false claim or weird occurrence like what happened with La'el Collins...

i don't know but that sounds like a good business model idea to me.  I said yesterday in the other thread the case information wasn't adding up

[Superman]

18 minutes ago, BCoop said:

I would assume Lloyd's of London insures all sorts of scenarios like this. Considering Conley's clean reputation before the accusation, I would guess that would have been an easy write.

 

If there's not, and it officially comes out that it was a false accusation, that girl will be paying out a very large lawsuit for a long time.

 

Even if there was insurance for this, anyone who makes a false accusation should be subject to some kind of severe penalty. Man, woman, whatever... public personality, private citizen, athlete, office worker, whatever... anyone's life can be turned upside down by a rape accusation, and if it's proved to be entirely fabricated, the person making the false accusation should be hit with criminal charges.

 

Not only does it protect a person from being falsely accused, maybe more importantly, when reports are filed by accusers they won't be considered with as much skepticism. 

[NewColtsFan]

40 minutes ago, bananabucket said:

It's a complete joke if he even falls out of the first.  Everyone on the planet knows he didnt do anything wrong.

 

Wow.....

 

Hyperbole much?

 

[MTC]

I would still draft him at 15 depending on who's available. 

[our_dbs_rock]

Reading the comments here, I don't think many people understand how difficult it is to prove that rape happened and how many cases go unreported because of that.  The comment's of 'that gold digga needs charged for lying' is the reason they go unreported. 

 

Yes the girl could be lying, but at the same time it doesn't matter if she was dancing with him at a bar or talking to him in an elevator, if she said no at the last minute and he ignored her it's still rape.

[Derakynn]

The issue with punishing an accuser is that it is very difficult to prove something didn't happen. Also the argument is that enforcing something like that could lower the likelihood of offenses being reported for fear of retribution. Obviously it would be ideal to strike down those who attempt to ruin another's life with false accusations, but in practice it probably just isn't feasible.

 

That said I really doubt this dude decided to toss away a few mil just weeks from the draft, so I don't have much of an issue drafting him if the front office deems it alright.

[Tmoney]

Still not taking him at #15. If hes at 46 then let's go

[SaturdayAllDay]

1 hour ago, Superman said:

 

Even if there was insurance for this, anyone who makes a false accusation should be subject to some kind of severe penalty. Man, woman, whatever... public personality, private citizen, athlete, office worker, whatever... anyone's life can be turned upside down by a rape accusation, and if it's proved to be entirely fabricated, the person making the false accusation should be hit with criminal charges.

 

Not only does it protect a person from being falsely accused, maybe more importantly, when reports are filed by accusers they won't be considered with as much skepticism. 

Do you guys not have charges for filing false police reports in the US? That can be a relatively serious charge here in Canada. 

[Superman]

6 minutes ago, SaturdayAllDay said:

Do you guys not have charges for filing false police reports in the US? That can be a relatively serious charge here in Canada. 

 

We do. My post reads like we don't, my bad.

 

Thing is, to my knowledge, it's not readily pursued. 

[COLTS449]

People are starting to see the truth I guess. Hopefully its us and we can steal a number 1 corner in the 3-4 range. PLEASE!!!!!!!

[krunk]

49 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

People are starting to see the truth I guess. Hopefully its us and we can steal a number 1 corner in the 3-4 range. PLEASE!!!!!!!

Matt Miller
@nfldraftscout

Just heard from a team: Gareon Conley goes first round.

Retweeted by VoiceOfTheStar

5:27 PM - 27 Apr 2017

 

[BOTT]

4 minutes ago, krunk said:

Matt Miller
@nfldraftscout

Just heard from a team: Gareon Conley goes first round.

Retweeted by VoiceOfTheStar

5:27 PM - 27 Apr 2017

 

I think the name of that team was the Matt Millers.