the pass rush better then expected?

CR91 · January 11, 2016

while we got only 35 sacks, 16 of those sacks came in the last month of the season. thats an average of 4 sacks a game which is really good. I actually didnt realize that. I still think we need to go pass rush with our first pick because lets face it mathis isnt getting any younger and guys like newsome and werner havent panned out, but perhaps we're not as bad as we all assumed, inconsistent yes, but perhaps the new DC can change that

Dustin · January 11, 2016

Call me a pessimist, but I think that has more to do with playing Ryan Tannehill, Alex Tanney/Zack Mettenberger, Brandon Weeden/TJ Yates, and Blake Bortles.

PeterBowman · January 11, 2016

it was better but there was still liltle pressure from the front 4, there still had to be a lot of blitzing.

However, TY McGill really came on and Mathis got a lot better as the year went on.

Still, you want to make the pass D better?

being able to get pressure consistently without blitzing so that will keep from the holes in the middle of the field from being there.

chad72 · January 11, 2016

2 minutes ago, CR91 said:

while we got only 35 sacks, 16 of those sacks came in the last month of the season. thats an average of 4 sacks a game which is really good. I actually didnt realize that. I still think we need to go pass rush with our first pick because lets face it mathis isnt getting any younger and guys like newsome and werner havent panned out, but perhaps we're not as bad as we all assumed, inconsistent yes, but perhaps the new DC can change that

Half the battle is sending the rush or manufacturing a rush with an element of disguise. The disguises didn't work for Manusky and dropping Mathis into coverage is not the best plan of action either. You need linemen in pass rush that can beat the OL 1-on-1 more often in pass rush. If we have to play more 4 man fronts and get a long armed DE on the other side to bat balls down (like JPP, not exactly JPP:)) while bringing A gap pressure, so be it. I think using more disruptive DL playing 1-gap more in the middle might help for passing downs. If we cannot substitute, let them start with those DL.

CR91 · January 11, 2016

1 minute ago, Dustin said:

Call me a cynic, but I think that has more to do with playing Ryan Tannehill, Alex Tanney/Zack Mettenberger, Brandon Weeden/TJ Yates, and Blake Bortles.

course thats plays a role as well, but even so getting 16 sacks when all we had was 19 going into december is saying something

jskinnz · January 11, 2016

6 minutes ago, CR91 said:

course thats plays a role as well, but even so getting 16 sacks when all we had was 19 going into december is saying something

I think it says they were playing against awful QB's and even worse O'lines.

CR91 · January 11, 2016

5 minutes ago, jskinnz said:

I think it says they were playing against awful QB's and even worse O'lines.

we played those same awful QBs/olineman and still couldnt get home

akcolt · January 11, 2016

Our pass rush isn't ok. We need a player or two that the opposing QB's have to think about. We just don't have that now. I think the last half had a lot to do with who we were playing.

We obviously need an Edge Rusher. If the NYJ can't pay Wilkerson I would be all over him. We could finally get pressure up front consistently.

I know the Jets will want to keep him. They just signed Richardson to a new deal. . Their NT Harrison is a FA and they got Williams in the draft last year. I know Demario Davis is a FA too. I'm not sure who else they have to deal with. They probably tag him I hope not. That would help the D a lot. Then we could grab an edge or 2 in the draft.

I would like to see Calhoun or Floyd maybe Lee early then come back day 3 and get a guy like Ngakoue or Turay. Maybe Schobert one will fall to the 4/5. Turay could really move up after the combine if he comes out. He's a freak.

We have to generate a pass rush next year or the Brady's and Ben's of the world will keep eating us up.

CR91 · January 11, 2016

6 minutes ago, akcolt said:

Our pass rush isn't ok. We need a player or two that the opposing QB's have to think about. We just don't have that now. I think the last half had a lot to do with who we were playing.

We obviously need an Edge Rusher. If the NYJ can't pay Wilkerson I would be all over him. We could finally get pressure up front consistently.

I know the Jets will want to keep him. They just signed Richardson to a new deal. . Their NT Harrison is a FA and they got Williams in the draft last year. I know Demario Davis is a FA too. I'm not sure who else they have to deal with. They probably tag him I hope not. That would help the D a lot. Then we could grab an edge or 2 in the draft.

I would like to see Calhoun or Floyd maybe Lee early then come back day 3 and get a guy like Ngakoue or Turay. Maybe Schobert one will fall to the 4/5. Turay could really move up after the combine if he comes out. He's a freak.

We have to generate a pass rush next year or the Brady's and Ben's of the world will keep eating us up.

my oversight wasnt to suggest we dont need to address the pass rush because we do, I was merely pointing out our ability to generate pressure at the end of the season and perhaps it wasnt as bad as we all think

COLTS449 · January 11, 2016

No. Like Dustin said it had more to do with who we were going up against. Our Pass rush is a major issue this offseason (along with the OL) and it has to be dealt with. I would bring in at least 2 new OLB's. Probably one in FA and one with our 1st round pick. If we could pickup Bruce Irvin and draft Noah Spence we'll be in good shape.

COLTS449 · January 11, 2016

9 minutes ago, akcolt said:

Our pass rush isn't ok. We need a player or two that the opposing QB's have to think about. We just don't have that now. I think the last half had a lot to do with who we were playing.

We obviously need an Edge Rusher. If the NYJ can't pay Wilkerson I would be all over him. We could finally get pressure up front consistently.

I know the Jets will want to keep him. They just signed Richardson to a new deal. . Their NT Harrison is a FA and they got Williams in the draft last year. I know Demario Davis is a FA too. I'm not sure who else they have to deal with. They probably tag him I hope not. That would help the D a lot. Then we could grab an edge or 2 in the draft.

I would like to see Calhoun or Floyd maybe Lee early then come back day 3 and get a guy like Ngakoue or Turay. Maybe Schobert one will fall to the 4/5. Turay could really move up after the combine if he comes out. He's a freak.

We have to generate a pass rush next year or the Brady's and Ben's of the world will keep eating us up.

I like Ngakoue too. I'd like to see Spence in the 1st and Ngakoue in the 3rd/4th

jet1968 · January 11, 2016

Pass rush was terrible and should be addressed directly after the offensive line

COLTS449 · January 11, 2016

We need a complete overhaul. The only OLB's I'd bring back are Mathis and Walden. Maybe Newsome, but I'd rather draft another OLB like Ngakoue in the 3rd or 4th and let him go too. He didn't do anything this year.

Defjamz26 · January 11, 2016

Yeah the last couple of O-Lines we faced were garbage. We need youth at the position badly. The combination of Anderson (when he comes back) and a young pass rusher from the draft should be enough to generate some sacks.

It would be nice to have one guy who could get 10+ sacks a year. 19.5 as a team going into December is terrible. I think the floor for next year starts at 50 sacks minimum.

OffensivelyPC · January 11, 2016

23 minutes ago, Dustin said:

Call me a pessimist, but I think that has more to do with playing Ryan Tannehill, Alex Tanney/Zack Mettenberger, Brandon Weeden/TJ Yates, and Blake Bortles.

At least you'd be an accurate pessimist. 17 of our 35 sacks came against the Titans, Jaguars and Dolphins - the worst, 4th worst, and 8th worst teams, respectively, in sacks allowed. Half our sacks in less than a third of the games of the season. You throw in Tampa Bay, and that's 22 sacks in 6 games (meaning we got roughly 1 sack per game against everyone else).

CR91 · January 11, 2016

1 minute ago, Defjamz26 said:

Yeah the last couple of O-Lines we faced were garbage. We need youth at the position badly. The combination of Anderson (when he comes back) and a young pass rusher from the draft should be enough to generate some sacks.

It would be nice to have one guy who could get 10+ sacks a year. 19.5 as a team going into December is terrible. I think the floor for next year starts at 50 sacks minimum.

50 sacks? the broncos only got 52 and they have the best pass rush

Devildog · January 11, 2016

59 minutes ago, CR91 said:

while we got only 35 sacks, 16 of those sacks came in the last month of the season. thats an average of 4 sacks a game which is really good. I actually didnt realize that. I still think we need to go pass rush with our first pick because lets face it mathis isnt getting any younger and guys like newsome and werner havent panned out, but perhaps we're not as bad as we all assumed, inconsistent yes, but perhaps the new DC can change that

OL is a more pressing need. I do agree we need someone to replace the aging Mathis but I think not with our first pick.

NewColtsFan · January 11, 2016

1 hour ago, CR91 said:

while we got only 35 sacks, 16 of those sacks came in the last month of the season. thats an average of 4 sacks a game which is really good. I actually didnt realize that. I still think we need to go pass rush with our first pick because lets face it mathis isnt getting any younger and guys like newsome and werner havent panned out, but perhaps we're not as bad as we all assumed, inconsistent yes, but perhaps the new DC can change that

Remember, these sacks were against some very poor competition....

I think the one real positive thing is this......

Robert Mathis may have just been rounding into shape in December.

I'm not saying he was out of shape. But I suspect he was out of FOOTBALL shape. And I also suspect his Achilles was much better by December, so he played much better in the final month.

Hopefully, that means very good things for Robert next year.

But as for pass rush, just look at the games where we're losing... Pittsburgh, J'Ville, New England, Carolina and on and on..... in those games, we're not getting to the QB. In fact, we're not even touching the quarterback.

We need more quality pass rushers. Much more.

jskinnz · January 11, 2016

12 minutes ago, Devildog said:

OL is a more pressing need. I do agree we need someone to replace the aging Mathis but I think not with our first pick.

I have no idea why people continually feel like that position X is slotted for round 1. That is not the way the draft works, nor should it be. The simple fact is the Colts need play-makers at multiple positions and outside of QB, they would consider any position to improve the team.

Pacergeek · January 11, 2016

In close games, when we really needed stops, our pass rush was non existent. We had good pass rush vs bad teams like Tampa Bay.

will426 · January 11, 2016

32 minutes ago, Pacergeek said:

In close games, when we really needed stops, our pass rush was non existent. We had good pass rush vs bad teams like Tampa Bay.

Well majority of the games shouldn't have been close if not for the "horrible" Def lol

Carlos Danger · January 11, 2016

We need an upgrade for players like Cole and Werner...

I really like what I saw from Mathis at the end of the season, though. Count me as a believer that he's got at least one double digit sack season left in him.

dgambill · January 12, 2016

4 hours ago, CR91 said:

while we got only 35 sacks, 16 of those sacks came in the last month of the season. thats an average of 4 sacks a game which is really good. I actually didnt realize that. I still think we need to go pass rush with our first pick because lets face it mathis isnt getting any younger and guys like newsome and werner havent panned out, but perhaps we're not as bad as we all assumed, inconsistent yes, but perhaps the new DC can change that

Looking at the competition over the last month of the season....not exactly elite competition there...and a couple teams had packed it in clearly (Miami/Tennessee)