BA we miss you

[a06cc]

Yep no ex-stealers on our team.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

IMHO, it doesn't make much sense to bring this up, when our offensive is finally showing signs of getting on fire. 4 TDs on the road against the Bengals Defense?

 

No, it was our Defense that lost that game, not Pep.

[tfunky14]

Yes this

 

 

No, it was our Defense that lost that game, not Pep. and the last few games the defense is a no show

[Kyle]

Why are we talking about the offensive coordinator??  the Defensive coordinator is what we should be considering changing...

[indy1888]

I liked BA as well and felt the complaints about him getting Luck killed were related more to O line talent then coaching scheme.  I think this year has proved that pretty well.  Luck has been hit nearly the same amount under the more conservative Pep Hamilton offense. He actually surprised me as a HC, i thought he was a great leader and did a great job motivating but also held guys accountable when thy stunk it up.  I'm not all that surprised that he is in the process of turning around what was another bad team out in Arizona.

[colts8718]

No disagreement here. There was a definite difference last year in the games that Pagano coached and the games that Arians coached. The team was electric under Arians, and I don't think it was all due to Chuck-Strong, Bruce is a far superior coach.

Took the word's right out of my mouth I have no confidence in PAGANO he look's lost 1 and done again no doubt

[OLD FAN MAN]

Maybe so. Either way, I think Arians' system is fatally flawed. Doesn't mean I'm in love with the way we're doing things now; I'm not. But I'm certainly not pining for the days of Bruce Arians slow developing passing concepts. It's actually the residuals of his system in Pep's play calling that annoy me the most.

the system worked with don Coryell behind a great o-line, something we don't have

[BOTT]

the system worked with don Coryell behind a great o-line, something we don't have

And Kellen Winslow, John Jefferson, Charlie Joyner and Chuck Muncie....

[southwest1]

Honestly, this "oh no the sky is falling!" nonsense has got to stop simply because Bruce Arians is having success in AZ. Good for him, but it doesn't mean INDY needs him back. BA loves the ariel attack too much as opposed to an infantry bombardment. BA reminds me of former St. Louis Rams HC Mike Martz. Yes, BA does run the ball, but his preference is to throw the rock. Why else pick up QB Carson Palmer? Plus, Steelers HC Mike Tomlin fired BA in Pittsburgh because that highly successful Lombardi winning franchise wasn't running the ball enough, a mainstay of that historic organization. 

 

Frankly, this BA is the best thing since the game of football was invented makes me sick. It's just pathetic. Is BA intelligent? Yes. Did he turn the AZ Cardinals around? Yes. Will he win the SB this February? Hades no. It's all about perspective, patience, & giving Pagano, who hired BA BTW, time to leave his imprint on the Colts.  

 

No, SW1 does not miss Bruce Arians at all & you can quote me on that one. Jesus, some bloggers on here are so fickle, easily dismayed, & think BA walks on water. If he can turn water into wine, give me a call okay. Thanks. 

[krunk]

Honestly, this "oh no the sky is falling!" nonsense has got to stop simply because Bruce Arians is having success in AZ. Good for him, but it doesn't mean INDY needs him back. BA loves the ariel attack too much as opposed to an infantry bombardment. BA reminds me of former St. Louis Rams HC Mike Martz. Yes, BA does run the ball, but his preference is to throw the rock. Why else pick up QB Carson Palmer? Plus, Steelers HC Mike Tomlin fired BA in Pittsburgh because that highly successful Lombardi winning franchise wasn't running the ball enough, a mainstay of that historic organization. 

 

Frankly, this BA is the best thing since the game of football was invented makes me sick. It's just pathetic. Is BA intelligent? Yes. Did he turn the AZ Cardinals around? Yes. Will he win the SB this February? Hades no. It's all about perspective, patience, & giving Pagano, who hired BA BTW, time to leave his imprint on the Colts.  

 

No, SW1 does not miss Bruce Arians at all & you can quote me on that one. Jesus, some bloggers on here are so fickle, easily dismayed, & think BA walks on water. If he can turn water into wine, give me a call okay. Thanks. 

 

 

Nice to see you back in the saddle Southwest!  Haven't heard from you in a while Captain

[Warhorse]

Luck reached historic sack numbers last season for a rookie. So..............we want to revisit that?

 

Um, no.

[Surge89]

Hind sight is 20-20, but yes, our success last year was very much due to Arians in his dual duties as OC and HC.

As OC, he is miles ahead of Pep. As HC, he is miles ahead of Pagano.

Lol... Arians is far far far far away from bwing miles ahead of Pep. And Pep is in his rookie outing. Arians is just flat out not a good OC. He gets QBs killed and relys on them surviving broken down plays. He also instills very bad habits on QBs and reads become less and less important.

Now as HC. Ok yea ur right no diagreement. Pagano isnt even in the same zip code as Arians as a HC.

[Gavin]

Luck reached historic sack numbers last season for a rookie. So..............we want to revisit that?

 

Um, no.

Actually not close to historic sack numbers for a rookie....David Carr was sacked a mind boggling 76 times in 2002 as a rookie

[southwest1]

Nice to see you back in the saddle Southwest!  Haven't heard from you in a while Captain

Thank you Krunk. I appreciate that my friend. SW1 always enjoys reading your posts as well. If I'm a captain, then you have the same amount of stripes on your shoulder too! 

 

These Bruce Arians sadness posts are starting to antagonize me. OCs in the NFL move on all the time. It's the nature of the beast & people who get bogged down in depression need to cut off the albatross dead weight of regret for good are not doing themselves any favors. What's done is done. In the words of Bad Company, Keep "Moving On" & steadily lunging forward Colts fans...

 

http://youtu.be/JpPYvxN6vb0

[indy1888]

Luck reached historic sack numbers last season for a rookie. So..............we want to revisit that?

 

Um, no.

 

Luck is being sacked at nearly the same rate as last season.  Can't blame it on Arian's this year.

[southwest1]

Why are we talking about the offensive coordinator??  the Defensive coordinator is what we should be considering changing...

Everytime I think we need to make a change at DC though, Greg Manusky & our D defeats a top tier squad like the San Francisco or Seattle. Besides, with Ron Rivera saving his job in Carolina & Rob Ryan sitting pretty in the Louisiana Bayou, who would INDY get to replace him right now or in the offseason? Easier said than done IMO.

[Warhorse]

Luck is being sacked at nearly the same rate as last season.  Can't blame it on Arian's this year.

I didn't look at the numbers, but I watched the games. Hits, sacks, and pressures sure seemed a lot greater last season. What are the comparisons of hits and pressures?

[GoColts8818]

I mean I miss him from the stand point I didn't want him to leave in the first place but I also remember a large number of the people who are acting like he's the greatest coach we've ever had here were the same ones screaming he had to go last year and his offense was going to get Luck killed. 

 

Like I said I didn't want him to leave to start with but I wouldn't have fired Pagano to keep him either. 

[indy1888]

I didn't look at the numbers, but I watched the games. Hits, sacks, and pressures sure seemed a lot greater last season. What are the comparisons of hits and pressures?

 

QB hits is also about the same.  6.5 times a game last year.   6.3 times this year. We have given up the 3rd most QB hits in the league to this point.

[BOTT]

QB hits is also about the same.  6.5 times a game last year.   6.3 times this year. We have given up the 3rd most QB hits in the league to this point.

On the bright side he doesn't seem to be taking nearly as many big shots. Hey, just trying to find the silver lining...

[BOTT]

Everytime I think we need to make a change at DC though, Greg Manusky & our D defeats a top tier squad like the San Francisco or Seattle. Besides, with Ron Rivera saving his job in Carolina & Rob Ryan sitting pretty in the Louisiana Bayou, who would INDY get to replace him right now or in the offseason? Easier said than done IMO.

Rex Ryan, Eric Mangini

[AntonMcG]

The worst offense you can run with a weak o-line is under center, inside running, deep 5-7 step drops with or without play Action. That's EXACTLY what Pep has been stubbornly trying to force feed in the first halves of these games.  Hence, the Colts are always behind at the half. 

 

The cure is..  Shotgun for the majority of snaps (not just when you're down 21+) and especially on early downs -- Quick passing game with shots as they are allowed, delays and screens.  

 

 It seems painfully obvious...  

 

Agreed, this would also help Trent Richardson immensely.

 

Havali is a good player, but if I never see a FB in a Colts formation again I would not be remotely annoyed.

[AntonMcG]

I actually got so much enjoyment out of watching our offense in the 2nd half... spread out with 3 WRs a TE and 1 back. We have so much YAC ability... even from DHB... why not build our offense that way?

[BrentMc11]

Rex Ryan, Eric Mangini

Mangini is an interesting name.  He actually is a great X's and O's guy....thus the Senior Consultant for Offense at San Fran.

 

Manusky needs to review The Ravens 3-4 defense IMO.  We are getting lax at the line of scrimmage and not pressing as much as earlier in the season.  That is why Dalton picked on the corners.  Dalton...the dink and dunk specialist...then  play action medium to long.  I am not sure our CBs understand crossing routes...

 

Manusky does need a review at season's end.  Since we are playoff bound...are we holding anything back?  I hope we are...we looked very vanilla the last few weeks.

 

[BrentMc11]

Yep no ex-stealers on our team.

We had one for two "Rainey" games.    

[Bleed_Blue]

I actually got so much enjoyment out of watching our offense in the 2nd half... spread out with 3 WRs a TE and 1 back. We have so much YAC ability... even from DHB... why not build our offense that way?

 

AGREED.

 

IMO there is no way that Pep and Chuck can't see that ,with the current personnel, this is EXACTLY what they should be doing on offense from the opening kick (Shotgun - short passing game - draws - screens - shot down field when available)

 

Under center, power formations, slow developing passes and interior running in the first half is the main reason this team gets in a hole almost every game IMO.

[Mameluc]

I don't miss Arians. I don't think Pep "gets it," but that doesn't mean BA got it either. I'd rather have Pep Hamilton from yesterday in the second half (he called traps, screens, zone plays, slants, quick ins, etc., everything I've been asking for except stretch plays and bootlegs) than Arians. 

 

I wish we'd gotten Whisenhunt, to be honest.

i got flamed when i said i wanted whisenhunt D:

[Mameluc]

BA can stay where he is. Luck barely survived last year waiting and waiting and waiting for those long routes to open up. Were you around the Colts at all last year?  Did you watch any games?   What would he have done this year with no wr's to throw the ball to?SMH

IM not a pep hater but thats pushing it. Arians is doing a great job in arizona, how can you not realize that? 

the offense, sure is lacking some players, but this personnell would have worked with BA...Pep's scheme doesnt fit this personnel.

 

 

Also barely survived? do you realize we are on pace to give the same amount of sacks/hits?

[Superman]

i got flamed when i said i wanted whisenhunt D:

 

Not by me.

[Superman]

Luck is being sacked at nearly the same rate as last season.  Can't blame it on Arian's this year.

 

Arians' system is still influencing much of our passing game. Many of the concepts and route combinations are the same. So, to an extent, I can still blame it on Arians.

[BOTT]

i got flamed when i said i wanted whisenhunt D:

I don't remember anyone getting flamed for that opinion. I recall being concerned whisenhut would do a good job, thus having a very short stay.

[Superman]

I don't remember anyone getting flamed for that opinion. I recall being concerned whisenhut would do a good job, thus having a very short stay.

 

I felt the same way.

[Franklin County]

IM not a pep hater but thats pushing it. Arians is doing a great job in arizona, how can you not realize that? 

the offense, sure is lacking some players, but this personnell would have worked with BA...Pep's scheme doesnt fit this personnel.

 

 

Also barely survived? do you realize we are on pace to give the same amount of sacks/hits?

Whats pushing the part about Luck get beat to death last year? The long route tree that he runs? Or our young receivers route running skills or lack of.

 

Luck is getting pounded this year too. I didn't say I supported Peps Offense or didn't support it. I do know with almost certainty that with this Oline , it is getting Luck killed weekly. And logic says a long down field attack amounts to holding onto the ball longer thus more sacks. Especially with young receivers that struggle to get open.

 

Bruce seemed to be a better HC than an OC to me. That's my opinion. But Arizona can keep him.

[Superman]

Whats pushing the part about Luck get beat to death last year? The long route tree that he runs? Or our young receivers route running skills or lack of.

 

Luck is getting pounded this year too. I didn't say I supported Peps Offense or didn't support it. I do know with almost certainty that with this Oline , it is getting Luck killed weekly. And logic says a long down field attack amounts to holding onto the ball longer thus more sacks. Especially with young receivers that struggle to get open.

 

Bruce seemed to be a better HC than an OC to me. That's my opinion. But Arizona can keep him.

 

Yup.

[Tark The Shark]

I don't really miss BA.

 

He was a good mentor to the young Luck and fired up the team after Pagano's diagnosis. 

 

But Pep has done fairly well with being a first year OC. 5 starters going down in a season is rough. Only the Packers team has more offensive injuries, and they look a lot worse than we do.

 

He is just working out the kinks. He is trying to work with a bunch of formations and plays and still trying to grasp the pro game from a coordinator's POV. 

 

I am gonna give Pagano and Pep some more time.

[#12]

I don't miss Arians. I don't think Pep "gets it," but that doesn't mean BA got it either. I'd rather have Pep Hamilton from yesterday in the second half (he called traps, screens, zone plays, slants, quick ins, etc., everything I've been asking for except stretch plays and bootlegs) than Arians. 

 

Unfortunately, those have been rare moments - usually when we get behind(in Cincinnati or Tennessee).  At times, Arians was forced to play the same game.  Year-to-date, I see little difference between Pep's and Arians' approach to the passing game.  At least Arians tried to pull it off with more talent and experience at WR. 

 

You say Whisenhunt.  If we could go back, I would even take Clyde and a return to the Manning offense over Pep. 

[ColtsBlueFL]

{snip}  ...

 

. It's actually the residuals of his (Arians) system in Pep's play calling that annoy me the most.

 

Same here, because he usually calls those plays that didn't work and not those that did!

 

 

;)

[ColtsBlueFL]

I was a little sad to see BA go.  But knowing he was off to Arizona, I was in favor of trying  Joe Lombardi out at the OC spot.  Certainly was not a Pep fan, then or now.

[#12]

Bottom line - for this team to have any hope in 2013, with what is left on offense and to protect a strugglig defense, in the final three games the offense needs to transform itself into a move-the-chains offense.  Pep needs to learn the definition of a drive-starting play and have about 20 of them ready on the call sheet.  Unfortunately, from what I've seen to date, I have no faith of any of this happening. 

[Mameluc]

Not by me.

i know