Andrew is holding onto the ball far too long.

[MaoBerry]

 Yes, our o-line stinks (agreed), but luck is also waiting way too long for longer routes to develope. He's not checking down, when the pressure is coming. I wonder if we're using too many plays in the 'B.A.' system.

[unitaswestand]

I completely agree.  The OLine is bad but Luck is holding the ball forever.  It seems rarely does he make a quick read and fire it. Now, maybe nobody is getting open in that time.  But he has to fire that ball out quicker.

[Mr.Debonair]

I agree he is holding it too long at times. I felt there were a couple chance for him to move outside the pocket and gain yardage. Moving forward he should just say F this I'm running

[Poster X]

Yes, our o-line stinks (agreed), but luck is also waiting way too long for longer routes to develope. He's not checking down, when the pressure is coming. I wonder if we're using too many plays in the 'B.A.' system.

He was trying to throw short passes, but had quite a few passes batted down because the line is totally inept.

[Smonroe]

Yes, our o-line stinks (agreed), but luck is also waiting way too long for longer routes to develope. He's not checking down, when the pressure is coming. I wonder if we're using too many plays in the 'B.A.' system.

Yes, he wants to extend the play even when he should just take the checkdown.

Frustration.

[Robin]

I think its a good thing, sometimes..  how many yards have we been getting on luck running? if he wasn't so mobile it would be released faster

 

and I think he should run more

 

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[House]

Define too long lol.

Because pressure was there within 5 seconds seemingly every down.

[Rob Lowe]

Nah the line just really is that bad. Receivers don't even have enough time to complete their routes before luck is facing pressure

[Colts_Fan12]

Define too long lol.

Because pressure was there within 5 seconds seemingly every down.

House you called it earlier lol

[MaoBerry]

He was trying to throw short passes, but had quite a few passes batted down because the line is totally inept.

 

 

I've noticed that andrew gets alot of batted balls also. I'm not sure whats the deal with that though.

[MaoBerry]

Nah the line just really is that bad. Receivers don't even have enough time to complete their routes before luck is facing pressure

 

 

Exactly. Then we need to shorten those routes to eleviate some of the pressure.

[colts89]

I agree and also disagree to some extent. Luck should be mindful enough to know that with this o-line, that his play clock is much shorter then the typical qb is. But, if you compare the amount of time and pocket that Fitzpatrick had today to throw the ball compared to Luck's time...

 

Luck hasn't adjusted too well to the amount of time his o-line has given him, but the sacks and pressures are still almost completely the o-line's fault

[Johnny Bui]

When you get sacked a bunch of times, that means you lose yards = meaning you have to hold on to the ball longer.  Our offensive line needs to finish and hold down the defense.  I saw many times where the defense got to luck in 1.5 seconds.  Luck knows he holds to the ball, but the coordinator needs to call better plays to get open faster.

[Balzer40]

Totally disagree. Kid has ZERO time to hold the ball too long. He has to step up or leave the pocket all together within 2.5 seconds on every snap. Saying he holds the ball too long, imply's he actually has time to make his reads, and decides to hold it instead. For the record, that absolutely never happens.

[James Harden]

Totally disagree. Kid has ZERO time to hold the ball too long. He has to step up or leave the pocket all together within 2.5 seconds on every snap. Saying he holds the ball too long, imply's he actually has time to make his reads, and decides to hold it instead. For the record, that absolutely never happens.

I have to agree with you. The Oline is horrible at times and the pocket can never fully develop. He either gets sack or have to adjust his feet to throw which in turn make his throws inaccurate. 

[Maniq]

Completely disagree. He holds onto the ball longer than what the O-line brings him of protection. And that's not any near enough. He has to escape pressure within two seconds. His receivers aren't great enough to get open within that time. The result is balls not on target due to no protections thrown into a covered receiver due to not enough time to get separation. He gets zero help.

[Maniq]

Look at the throw to DHB where DHB completely blew it. The Oline gave him time and the receiver managed to get separation when given time. DHB blew it, but that's another issue.

[MaoBerry]

Totally disagree. Kid has ZERO time to hold the ball too long. He has to step up or leave the pocket all together within 2.5 seconds on every snap. Saying he holds the ball too long, imply's he actually has time to make his reads, and decides to hold it instead. For the record, that absolutely never happens.

 

 

 I get that also and i can agree to some degree. Then we must adjust the play calling to shorten routes, so they don't take nearly as long to develope.

[Franklin County]

He even got run down from behind on a handoff. Its not just that easy to say he holds the ball too long. Do any of you experts watch the game before you start posting random threads....

[smittywerb]

Granted, Luck has been holding the ball, but I think it's because of the receivers not getting open fast enough for the stinking line.  Getting open was something Wayne was exceptional at and that is why Luck looked so much better before he went down.  Hilton needs to step up, Fleener needs to stay consistent with how he has been doing, and hopefully from the one play we've seen of Rogers, he can blossom into what we think he could be.

[MaoBerry]

Granted, Luck has been holding the ball, but I think it's because of the receivers not getting open fast enough for the stinking line.  Getting open was something Wayne was exceptional at and that is why Luck looked so much better before he went down.  Hilton needs to step up, Fleener needs to stay consistent with how he has been doing, and hopefully from the one play we've seen of Rogers, he can blossom into what we think he could be.

 

 

Man, i was giddy on that play to rogers! He would've scored on his first touch, if not for the penalty! He blew by that dude in a flash and rogers is HUGE.I think he's a keeper.

[smittywerb]

Man, i was giddy on that play to rogers! He would've scored on his first touch, if not for the penalty! He blew by that dude in a flash and rogers is HUGE.I think he's a keeper.

 

Yeah, I wasn't on the Rogers train, but after dude fought his way from the PS, I'm a believer now.  His talent was never in question, but his attitude was.  Battling from the PS shows he has grown as a person and should be given a shot.  Especially with DHB getting benched, I think Irsay has seen enough.

[indy1888]

 Yes, our o-line stinks (agreed), but luck is also waiting way too long for longer routes to develope. He's not checking down, when the pressure is coming. I wonder if we're using too many plays in the 'B.A.' system.

 

If we were using plays from the "B.A" system, guys would get open and the offense wouldn't look like a high school offense for most of the game.

 

This scheme doesn't do a good job of getting guys open, which is a big problem.  Instead of forcing throws, i think Luck needs to look to run more. There were times today when he could have took off and didn't.

[CanuckColt]

"Andrew is holding onto the ball far too long."

That is because Hilton is covered and nobody else is getting open....and apparently Pep has very few short passes in his playbook.

[MaoBerry]

Yeah, I wasn't on the Rogers train, but after dude fought his way from the PS, I'm a believer now.  His talent was never in question, but his attitude was.  Battling from the PS shows he has grown as a person and should be given a shot.  Especially with DHB getting benched, I think Irsay has seen enough.

 

 

I don't know what the deal is with DHB. But i'm liking what rogers can bring and there's still time left in the regular season for both he and andrew to develope a connection before playoff time! HERE'S HOPING!

[NewEra]

"Andrew is holding onto the ball far too long."

That is because Hilton is covered and nobody else is getting open....and apparently Pep has very few short passes in his playbook.

Pep is not adjusting to the NFL game. I've day dreamed about water boarding him at times.

[CanuckColt]

Geez, I wish we could dump Pep before the season is over....but it's probably not possible...this hire was a huge mistake....and Pagano is proving to be another mistake.  Who knew that Arians was doing such a great job as OC and HC...and that Pep and Pagano would be totally unable to handle the OC & HC jobs at the NFL level...they are learning on the job and will be doing so for years to come.

[CanuckColt]

Pep is not adjusting to the NFL game. I've day dreamed about water boarding him at times.

Let me know when you do....I would totally enjoy giving you a helping hand.

[CanuckColt]

I don't know what the deal is with DHB. But i'm liking what rogers can bring and there's still time left in the regular season for both he and andrew to develope a connection before playoff time! HERE'S HOPING!

DHB is now officially 'snakebit'...he is overthinking every catch and is basically a 'mess' as a WR...it is best for everyone to keep him inactive for a few games.

[smittywerb]

I don't know what the deal is with DHB. But i'm liking what rogers can bring and there's still time left in the regular season for both he and andrew to develope a connection before playoff time! HERE'S HOPING!

 

 

Hopefully Rogers can be our x-factor that could push us through the playoffs like Sanders did in 2006.

[NewEra]

Let me know when you do....I would totally enjoy giving you a helping hand.

Lol, out of likes

[MaoBerry]

Hopefully Rogers can be our x-factor that could push us through the playoffs like Sanders did in 2006.

 

 

 

Our division is almost locked up, so now is the time to try some different looks out and see if rogers (basically all of our young guys on offense) can fly or not. We should use him like the browns use gordon.

[a06cc]

Andrew isn't holding to the to long. Guys can't get open because the lack of a run game. The offense is set up to have defenders close to the line of scrimmage. I thought people knew this already?

[a06cc]

Keepinh guys close to the line of scrimmage gives us one on one matchups

[HarassedOffTheSite]

Ehhh we don't know what his progressions are so I cant say he's holding it too long. If I have a beef with Andrew, it's that he isn't quick to check out of a play if it doesn't play to the D's weakness.

[MaoBerry]

Ehhh we don't know what his progressions are so I cant say he's holding it too long. If I have a beef with Andrew, it's that he isn't quick to check out of a play if it doesn't play to the D's weakness.

 

 

That's true, but andrew is still a young dude and people forget that. He's learning and he'll eventually be able to make those type of adjustments at the line of scrimmage. I'm just worried that this putrid O- LINE will influence the clock in his head,even after we assemble a good one.

[Poster X]

I've noticed that andrew gets alot of batted balls also. I'm not sure whats the deal with that though.

Defenders are breaking through the o-line like orcs at Helms Deep. It makes for an even longer day for Andrew Luck when he can't even throw underneath.

[husker61]

Define too long lol.

Because pressure was there within 5 seconds seemingly every down.

 

this post tells me a lot.

 

5 seconds is an eternity in the nfl. almost every qb in the nfl gets rid of the ball in an average of less than 3 seconds. this ability is why great qb's in college never make it in the nfl. they just can't process the information fast enough.

[House]

this post tells me a lot.

5 seconds is an eternity in the nfl. almost every qb in the nfl gets rid of the ball in an average of less than 3 seconds. this ability is why great qb's in college never make it in the nfl. they just can't process the information fast enough.

What does it tell you?

5 seconds is an eternity in the pocket with the ball, yes. But I'm talking about starting from the beginning of the whole play, the second the ball leaves the ground, Luck gets the ball, steps back, and within 2 or so seconds with the ball there's already pressure.

So if you want me to be specific about how much time Andrew on average has the ball and is making his reads, I would say 2 seconds to 2 and a half seconds under with a very messy pocket.

[Dustin]

Define too long lol.

Because pressure was there within 5 seconds seemingly every down.

5 seconds is an eternity. The average QB gets the ball out in 2.6 seconds.