Patriots' Aaron Hernandez questioned by police in homicide probe

[MAC]

You're showing exactly why I'm on a bend here. There aren't above you. They aren't better than you. What I did was no more improper than asking the guy in line at the grocery store to keep it down if he was cussing so egregiously in front of your little one. But NOOOOO....it's a cop. How dare I challenge him. 

 

I don't have to prove it. They aren't special, they're just people, and people are often times filthy pigs. 

I'll leave most of the points as I understand your perspective and it's mostly a matter of semantics. I doubt that you're advocating complete distain for the criminal justice system, just being in favor of covering ones rear end - which is good advice in most circumstances. When entering into that world it's best to take an accomplished guide.

 

However I'd like to respond to the above, simply to reiterate what I said in my last post. I KNOW that many of them are completely detestable individuals, but you still have to treat the office that they hold with respect. It's like Chad Johnson's odd experience in court recently. It's easy to say that the judge was a silly old :cuss: for sending him to jail - I thought it was absurd myself - but that's what happens when you don't play by the rules of court. It doesn't matter that shes a silly old :cuss: or that a cop is a raging :cuss:  - tell them that when they are off duty. But in order for our society to function you have to respect the position.

 

So NO you don't challenge a cop. They can't LET you get away with it. So you don't put them in that position, you treat them like you treated your first grade teacher (WHICH, may not be the best example for you, depending on what you were like in first grade), or your boss, or someone else that you need something from. We all have to swallow our pride sometimes.

 

I'm telling you, I agree completely about the attitude, I'm just disagreeing with how you chose to respond to it. Let them have their ego's intact and you get a LOT more public service in return. Treat them like their the guy at Denny's who just willfully screwed up your order and you're going to be sorry. That's life, and you're not going to change it. Frankly I don't see the point of trying. My understanding that many of them have chips on their shoulder isn't going to make me think twice about calling 911.

[Gavin]

I'll leave most of the points as I understand your perspective and it's mostly a matter of semantics. I doubt that you're advocating complete distain for the criminal justice system, just being in favor of covering ones rear end - which is good advice in most circumstances. When entering into that world it's best to take an accomplished guide.

 

However I'd like to respond to the above, simply to reiterate what I said in my last post. I KNOW that many of them are completely detestable individuals, but you still have to treat the office that they hold with respect. It's like Chad Johnson's odd experience in court recently. It's easy to say that the judge was a silly old :cuss: for sending him to jail - I thought it was absurd myself - but that's what happens when you don't play by the rules of court. It doesn't matter that shes a silly old :cuss: or that a cop is a raging :cuss:  - tell them that when they are off duty. But in order for our society to function you have to respect the position.

 

So NO you don't challenge a cop. They can't LET you get away with it. So you don't put them in that position, you treat them like you treated your first grade teacher (WHICH, may not be the best example for you, depending on what you were like in first grade), or your boss, or someone else that you need something from. We all have to swallow our pride sometimes.

 

I'm telling you, I agree completely about the attitude, I'm just disagreeing with how you chose to respond to it. Let them have their ego's intact and you get a LOT more public service in return. Treat them like their the guy at Denny's who just willfully screwed up your order and you're going to be sorry. That's life, and you're not going to change it. Frankly I don't see the point of trying. My understanding that many of them have chips on their shoulder isn't going to make me think twice about calling 911.

He only spent 7 of those 30 days in jail by the way

[ruksak]

I'll leave most of the points as I understand your perspective and it's mostly a matter of semantics. I doubt that you're advocating complete distain for the criminal justice system, just being in favor of covering ones rear end - which is good advice in most circumstances. When entering into that world it's best to take an accomplished guide.

 

However I'd like to respond to the above, simply to reiterate what I said in my last post. I KNOW that many of them are completely detestable individuals, but you still have to treat the office that they hold with respect. It's like Chad Johnson's odd experience in court recently. It's easy to say that the judge was a silly old :cuss: for sending him to jail - I thought it was absurd myself - but that's what happens when you don't play by the rules of court. It doesn't matter that shes a silly old :cuss: or that a cop is a raging :cuss:  - tell them that when they are off duty. But in order for our society to function you have to respect the position.

 

So NO you don't challenge a cop. They can't LET you get away with it. So you don't put them in that position, you treat them like you treated your first grade teacher (WHICH, may not be the best example for you, depending on what you were like in first grade), or your boss, or someone else that you need something from. We all have to swallow our pride sometimes.

 

I'm telling you, I agree completely about the attitude, I'm just disagreeing with how you chose to respond to it. Let them have their ego's intact and you get a LOT more public service in return. Treat them like their the guy at Denny's who just willfully screwed up your order and you're going to be sorry. That's life, and you're not going to change it. Frankly I don't see the point of trying. My understanding that many of them have chips on their shoulder isn't going to make me think twice about calling 911.

Exactly what I mean, to clarify and to try not to vilify myself so much;

 

When I hear police say "he's not cooperating", I've seen many documented examples of them saying so just because the person is protecting themselves from errant prosecution.

 

A PERFECT example of this is what happened to John Ramsey. This is well documented. Long story short; John Ramsey was fully cooperating with authorities, 100% so. Then, as is a typical tactic when no other suspect is materializing, the police essentially looked him in the eyes and told him "We know you killed your daughter." 

 

That's when John stopped talking and sought council. Immediately afterward, the police, in their stifling arrogance, held a press conference in John Ramsey's front yard in which they explicitly told the media that he isn't cooperating and is now a person of interest. 

 

Which, and I'm just assuming for conversations sake, is what I'm suggesting may have happened here, with Hernandez. Perhaps they made comments to him that seemed threatening and he clammed up, invoking his right to silence and a lawyer. 

[bayone]

Jimmy Hoffa's body is thought to be in a Detroit field & now this....June has been a strange, unforgettable month that's for sure...Okay, Jimmy remains haven't exactly been discovered yet...

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-jimmy-hoffa-20130618,0,860899.story

 

 

on a side note off topic

 

Yeah I live in the county they are looking in, area is north of me , but the place he was abducted from

 

Machus Red Fox restaurant in Bloomfield Township., is 4 miles directly east from me and when graduated residency , we were given a dinner by 2 of the attendings of the hospital thats given to every graduating class and is  given in that same private basement room Jimmy had his last meal. We all toasted him at the dinner. 

 

BTW for some reason many here say the body is buried  under Giants stadium, cant remember if football Giants or San Fran & if the latter  ,  then was under home plate

[MAC]

Exactly what I mean, to clarify and to try not to vilify myself so much;

 

When I hear police say "he's not cooperating", I've seen many documented examples of them saying so just because the person is protecting themselves from errant prosecution.

 

A PERFECT example of this is what happened to John Ramsey. This is well documented. Long story short; John Ramsey was fully cooperating with authorities, 100% so. Then, as is a typical tactic when no other suspect is materializing, the police essentially looked him in the eyes and told him "We know you killed your daughter." 

 

That's when John stopped talking and sought council. Immediately afterward, the police, in their stifling arrogance, held a press conference in John Ramsey's front yard in which they explicitly told the media that he isn't cooperating and is now a person of interest. 

 

Which, and I'm just assuming for conversations sake, is what I'm suggesting may have happened here, with Hernandez. Perhaps they made comments to him that seemed threatening and he clammed up, invoking his right to silence and a lawyer. 

You might very well be correct, and I'm not going to defend behavior such as you describe. Throw in a district attorney under pressure (or trying to make a name for himself) and things get even more ridiculous.

 

My first thought was actually that Hernandez suspects an associate of being involved, and doesn't want to say anything that might hurt them. That would be miss-guided loyalty on his part, and probably illegal. Of course I'm sure that his lawyer will tell him that - at which point he'll become much more "co-operative".

[MAC]

on a side note off topic

 

Yeah I live in the county they are looking in, area is north of me , but the place he was abducted from

 

Machus Red Fox restaurant in Bloomfield Township., is 4 miles directly east from me and when graduated residency , we were given a dinner by 2 of the attendings of the hospital thats given to every graduating class and is  given in that same private basement room Jimmy had his last meal. We all toasted him at the dinner. 

 

BTW for some reason many here say the body is buried  under Giants stadium, cant remember if football Giants or San Fran & if the latter  ,  then was under home plate

The Meadowlands, not SF : ;. A long time joke - supposedly under one of the end zones. I'm sure some were disappointed when he didn't turn up during the demolition.

 

Your diner story is creepy. I had no idea that he was out there when he disappeared. Kind of makes you wonder why they would point to NJ in the first place.

[crazycolt1]

Don't be like that. 

 

Some cops are pigs, believe it or not. When the potential exists for *some cops to be "pigs" (treacherous/dishonest etc), considering the power they wield, you better watch yourself or you'll get in trouble. 

 

These basic truths exist in spite of your sordid fantasies regarding hero worship. Gonna leave the forum because I offended your sensibilities toward police? You cannot be serious?

 

With that, I'm dropping out of this conversation. I didn't mean to upset my fellow colts fans over a silly topic like this. Sometimes I forget how melodramatic and emotional some people get, showing an incapability to discuss heated topics like adults. You'd do well to take a page from MAC, whom can stand his ground and converse maturely without throwing a fit and running off. 

 

Much respect to MAC. Gandalf......not so much. 

For you to call someone else melodramatic after writing a novel on the subject is calling the kettle black. 

[bayone]

The Meadowlands, not SF : ;. A long time joke - supposedly under one of the end zones. I'm sure some were disappointed when he didn't turn up during the demolition.

 

Your diner story is creepy. I had no idea that he was out there when he disappeared. Kind of makes you wonder why they would point to NJ in the first place.

 

supposedly he was last seen in Parking lot of the restaurant after having  dinner ( and excuse the pune, was taken for a ride ) 

[bayone]

, 10 police cars arrived at Hernandez's house in North Attleboro, Mass., on Tuesday. Police then entered the house, likely executing a search warrant, before checking the IDs of two men who attempted to leave. Police later escorted the two men into police cruisers and away from the house. Bedard, who was on the scene during the activity, said a man who appeared to be Hernandez arrived at the house while police were there.

 

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/6/18/4443292/aaron-hernandez-police-investigation-patriots/in/4207193

[IndyD4U]

I was called uncooperative by the police once, but only because I didn't stop the truck before I jumped out and ran across the cornfield. My defense lawyer pled insanity, but my multiple-personalities disagreed with that decision

[Gavin]

I was called uncooperative by the police once, but only because I didn't stop the truck before I jumped out and ran across the cornfield. My defense lawyer pled insanity, but my multiple-personalities disagreed with that decision

What was the final verdict.....Among your multiple personalities I mean, which one won out  

[deedub75]

What was the final verdict.....Among your multiple personalities I mean, which one won out  

 

If you have one personality found guilty and one found innocent, who actually goes to jail? 

[Poster X]

That's frankly an absurd over-reaction. People use derogatory terms on here every day, yet you've somehow managed to stick it out for two years.

If it's actually that you are highly sensitive to any suggestion that police officers aren't above reproach, than you are ironically making ruksak's argument for him. Instead of leaving the forum, why don't you discuss it with him. Probably a lot more effective, and the forum doesn't have to lose another good member.

You want to talk about absurd. Last time I checked people don't just make derogatory comments here on this board... where the slightest of things will get you reprimanded. I have been there. Challenging someone is one thing, but calling them a "pig" is another entirely. This amount silliness.

[IndyD4U]

If you have one personality found guilty and one found innocent, who actually goes to jail? 

 That's quite the conundrum because they only allow three in a cell and well.....there are four of me, but on the bright side I get a group rate from my shrink!

[Nadine]

it is time to simmer down in here

please stop making generalizations about the police

and also stop taking shots at each other

 

Just state your opinion without those two things please

[Poster X]

Don't be like that. 

 

Some cops are pigs, believe it or not. When the potential exists for *some cops to be "pigs" (treacherous/dishonest etc), considering the power they wield, you better watch yourself or you'll get in trouble. 

 

These basic truths exist in spite of your sordid fantasies regarding hero worship. Gonna leave the forum because I offended your sensibilities toward police? You cannot be serious?

 

With that, I'm dropping out of this conversation. I didn't mean to upset my fellow colts fans over a silly topic like this. Sometimes I forget how melodramatic and emotional some people get, showing an incapability to discuss heated topics like adults. You'd do well to take a page from MAC, whom can stand his ground and converse maturely without throwing a fit and running off. 

 

Much respect to MAC. Gandalf......not so much. 

 

 

 

 

 

You have a funny way of defining words. I don't know where you get this concept of "hero worship" from... maybe you are simply trying too hard to defend yourself. I find it to be silly no matter who you are referring to, sir. I and others would find such discussions much more palatable if people such as yourself would not resort to such nonsense. 

[bayone]

That's frankly an absurd over-reaction. People use derogatory terms on here every day, yet you've somehow managed to stick it out for two years.

 

If it's actually that you are highly sensitive to any suggestion that police officers aren't above reproach, than you are ironically making ruksak's argument for him. Instead of leaving the forum, why don't you discuss it with him. Probably a lot more effective, and the forum doesn't have to lose another good member.

 

 

You want to talk about absurd. Last time I checked people don't just make derogatory comments here on this board... where the slightest of things will get you reprimanded. I have been there. Challenging someone is one thing, but calling them a "pig" is another entirely. This amount silliness.

 

 

I have to side with Mac here, if I use da...m it sensors may be turned to darn it, but i have seen  many time some words that frankly I would never use and am   shocked  are  used many times  and they get through the censors without a problem, '

 

Gandiff no offense , but u must be reading a selection of posts that just happen to be clean all the time

[House]

I never said he was cast as a suspect. He was described as being "uncooperative". What reason would they have to even think to tell the media this? Well, they do it to put pressure on 'persons of interest' whom have requested a lawyer. You should always contact council if you end up in the middle of something like this before you talk to police. Always.

If you misspeak, make a mistake (recall an incorrect time etc)....then you're in for a heckuva ride. Understand this; Police are trained manipulators. This very thread is evidence. I can assure you that they publicly called him "uncooperative" to manipulate him into speaking with them on their terms.

Police are assuming you are involved when they're speaking with you in a matter such as this until they have reason to think otherwise. Their verbiage leans right into this angle, they do so to thoroughly vet you out. If you screw up, it's your butt on the line, not theirs.

Do some research. There are numerous cases of people that were just trying to "cooperate", they go down to the station and after 8 intensive hours of interrogation, they're being considered a suspect even though they aren't actually guilty.

It's really funny you said that. I'll tell you this much, if you want cops to avoid you while walking down the side of a road in freezing cold January at night, carry a gas can. Those lazy pigs will see the gas can, an indicator that you need help, and you'll become quite invisible to them. I actually tried waiving one down from 15 feet. He made eye contact and kept going.

lol...."They're servants" HA HA! Yeah right. I was taking my mom to the hospital back in the 1990's. Was lost, trying to find the hospital and was next to a nice lady cop at a stop light. So I got out to ask her if she could lead the way to the hospital. Well...after she pulled her gun on me, she claimed she was getting off duty in 2 minutes and was almost out of gas. I looked at her gas gauge.....half tank. I pointed that out and she COMMANDED me to get back in my vehicle because I was blocking traffic.

Now what you wanna bet if I had a joint in my mouth, that pig woulda had all night to chase me through every backstreet and alley in downtown Indy? I swear that's a true story, I swear it on my daughter.

10 years ago, I'm coming out of the gas station adjacent to my neighborhood in Whiteland with my then 3 year old daughter. This Whtieland cop (Mr Brian Knoy) was a cursing real loud like while talking to his partner, I mean real obscene stuff. I asked him to please watch his mouth. OH NO I DI'INT. So there I am, doing his little dance like his little monkey. He's going through my Jeep, my pockets, showing all my paperwork. "I find one thing out of compliance, I'm towing your jeep to the farthest _____ing tow yard in Indiana".

For the record, I've never been in trouble and my brother is a 12 year IMPD officer. I'm just really sick of this hero worship we point toward cops. They ain't heros. They're just people with power, A-typical control freaks. It's takes a certain type of person to want that job in the first place, and often it's the wrong kinda guy. Hence the intensive yet faulty psychological examination they give them before hiring. Customarily, prospective police are coached before the exam by a friend/relative that knows how to answer them. I've seen it done.

I got more guns than I have hands to carry them. I don't need their kind 'round here.

"He's not cooperating". What purpose do YOU think that serves to say that?

(I'm betting) They asked him too many questions. He denied them entry and refused to answer their questions once they started talkin like he's a suspect. I GUARANTEE that's the rub. Watch. What you wanna bet this goes completely in AH's favor? Another thing I guarantee is that we'll hear no apology from them for making such a dubious and unnecessary statement like "he's uncooperative".

The articles above contain another statement I found interesting. The police describe "two men" that were "attempting to leave the scene" but they were "stopped by police vehicles blocking the driveway". Most likely, just friends that were leaving....ya know...because people tend to leave when the bacon shows up.

Maybe they are trying to turn up the heat on him. Or maybe he really is being uncooperative. I know just as much as you do, which is to say nothing. However, I don't think that's the worst thing they can say about you to the media. Maybe it's a friend and he's being very "I don't know nothing about nothing" to the police. Wouldn't be the first time.

But if the worst they're saying about him is he's uncooperative that's a complete non issue, IMO, and we should see where this investigation goes.

[Dustin]

Update:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/19/police-spend-hours-inside-hernandez-home-emerge-with-box/

[bayone]

Update:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/19/police-spend-hours-inside-hernandez-home-emerge-with-box/

 

only thing i have to add is  my comment 47

 

10 police cars arrived at Hernandez's house in North Attleboro, Mass., on Tuesday. Police then entered the house, likely executing a search warrant, before checking the IDs of two men who attempted to leave. Police later escorted the two men into police cruisers and away from the house.

 

 Bedard, who was on the scene during the activity, said a man who appeared to be Hernandez arrived at the house while police were there.

 

Each blue line above is a LINK

 

( IF I CAME HOME TO A SIGHT LIKE THAT THAT HERNANDEZ SUPPOSEDLY DID I TO O INTIALLY WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO SAY BUT WHATS GOING ON HERE  )))

 

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/6/18/4443292/aaron-hernandez-police-investigation-patriots/in/4207193

[bavanlan]

I have no problem with Hernandez getting a lawyer and I have no problem with the Police publicly calling him out as being uncooperative (because he is being uncooperative).

[Dustin]

He hasn't been ruled out as a suspect.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/19/police-quiet-on-investigation-involving-aaron-hernandez/

[The Fish]

This whole thing is pretty far out. 

[Dustin]

Apparently the victim dated Hernandez' girlfreinds sister.

[DILLIGAFER]

So all cops are pigs, but you used to be a cop?

Odd lol.

I just love u putting words in my mouth. didn't even use that term, you did. Notice,I'm not one anymore. They are dirty.

[bayone]

He hasn't been ruled out as a suspect.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/19/police-quiet-on-investigation-involving-aaron-hernandez/

 

article says   he is still not cooperating and  a box removed from home by police

 

hope he is not cooperating on advice of attorney ,even so  he doesnt want to be innocent and get a hindering investigation / prosecution charge thrown at him

[King Colt]

"Hernandez is innocent. Trust me."

 

-O.J.

[oldunclemark]

The way the story reads.......it doesnt sound like Hernandez is the 'person of interest' (I love that show)

 

but the car is in his name..

 

 

He does need to get representation before he says A WORD. even your friends can leave you holding the bag

[House]

I just love u putting words in my mouth. didn't even use that term, you did. Notice,I'm not one anymore. They are dirty.

Lol yeah I really went out on a limb connecting "snorters" to "pigs." Really twisted what you meant by that.

Come on now. I wasn't insulting your intelligence, kindly don't insult mine.

Also notice that I said you USED to be a "snorter." That's why I found it odd. Because you were once a "they." Never heard that perspective before.

[Gavin]

If you have one personality found guilty and one found innocent, who actually goes to jail? 

The one that was caught at the scene of the crime but its best to send out the white coats for the other one as well for more questioning

[Dustin]

This is getting crazier by the minute.

Apparently Hernandez was sued a month ago for allegedly shooting a guy in the face.

http://news168.co.uk/index/aaron-hernandez-sued-nfl-star-shot-me-in-the-face

[NewColtsFan]

 

Again, I never said I took it as if he was a suspect. I only meant that for the police to make such a statement  about a 'celebrity' is irresponsible if they don't have a darn good reason to do so. Little comments like that can irreparably harm his reputation. Also, the police use that terminology to 'attack' people whom lawyer up. Exercising your constitutional rights shouldn't be something that the police attack you for.

 

 

I worded that poorly. I should've said "AH will be cleared of any wrongdoing". Again, exercising his constitutional right to coucil isn't always a sign that you're hiding something. It's really the most judicious and responsible manner of handling matters like this. I may be wrong though. Perhaps AH is hiding something. Just sayin....I thought the comments by the police were both veiled and irresponsible.

 

 

Yeah so? That's their dang job. Don't make them my heros. People hold these glorified traffic monitors in too high a regard IMO. I've met many great people that were great police officers. By no means do I mean to paint them all with a broad brush as some kind of nefarious evil-doers. 

 

Police aren't bound by law to protect your life or to serve you. There's nothing in the law that says they have to do either. 

 

All on topic. We're discussing the Hernandez incident and all the tangential aspects thereof. Just because you ain't likin what I got to say about it, is no reason to call for posts to be deleted. That's a bit arrogant of you. With all due respect to you of course, NCF. I have plenty of respect for you and your post history here. You're good people imo.

 

 

When you're calling police 'pigs' and then take other shots at them,  I'd say this thread has gone very, very sideways.....

 

At this moment,  AH doesn't have to be cleared of any wrong doing,  because he's not charged with any wrong doing.

 

The only thing police have said about him is that he is not being cooperative.   And saying that publicly is perfectly legal.     If AH is not helping -- remember, there has been a murder --  I hope AH changes his position and cooperates.

 

I'm hoping this is nothing more than perhaps a friend of Hernandez is involved in a murder and he doesn't want to roll over on a friend.   I hope that's the worst. 

 

But while you may not like police and the tactics that they use,  so far,  they haven't done anything illegal to Hernandez or anyone else.   

[bayone]

This is getting crazier by the minute.

Apparently Hernandez was sued a month ago for allegedly shooting a guy in the face.

http://news168.co.uk/index/aaron-hernandez-sued-nfl-star-shot-me-in-the-face

 

 

Sy ued June 13 not a month ago says your article how in the world was that suppressed IF TRUE

 

as far as the shooting

 

According to the lawsuit, obtained by TMZ, Hernandez and Alexander S. Bradley went to Tootsie's Cabaret in Miami on February 13, 2013 ... and during the outing, the two men got into an argument. 

Bradley claims ... After the dispute, both men left the club -- and got into the same car which was heading to Palm Beach. During the ride, Aaron allegedly aimed his weapon at Bradley ... and the gun discharged, striking Bradley in the face.   

Bradley claims he suffered major injuries from the gunshot ... including the loss of his right eye. 

Bradley also claimed he required major surgery to reconstruct his face ... which required plates and screws. Bradley also claims he suffered damage to his right hand and arm, which also required surgery. 

There's more -- Bradley claims Aaron was not licensed to carry a firearm in the first place. 

 

But just 4 days after Bradley filed the lawsuit, the case was DISMISSED. 

We reached out to Aaron's people for comment -- so far, no word back.

10:34 AM PT -- Sources connected to the case tell us ... Bradley's legal team only dismissed the case because there was an error in the paperwork ... and they FULLY plan to REFILE the lawsuit TODAY. 

 

 But just 4 days after Bradley filed the lawsuit, the case was DISMISSED. 

We reached out to Aaron's people for comment -- so far, no word back.

 

Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2WgglDkrM   NOTE WHEN CLICK ON THIS ON TOP SAYS  CELEBRITY GOSSIP JUST NOTICED SO WHO KNOWS

 

[Qwiz]

This is getting crazier by the minute.

Apparently Hernandez was sued a month ago for allegedly shooting a guy in the face.

http://news168.co.uk/index/aaron-hernandez-sued-nfl-star-shot-me-in-the-face

Oh boy.

[Warhorse]

So how does the TE position look for the Pats........

 

 

[ruksak]

So how does the TE position look for the Pats........

 

 

"uncooperative"

[-JJ-]

Trade him to Indy

 

We got Tebow;-)

[BOTT]

So this is why BB brought Tebow aboard......to straighten out the tight ends.

[ruksak]

So this is why BB brought Tebow aboard......to straighten out the tight ends.

There's definitely a joke here. 

[LockeDown]

Ruksak's cop rant is my fav so far.  Good luck topping that.

 

Where are all the Pats posters?